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I think you've nailed the issue with Woodface there (it's not a couple of songs too long, whatever Neil says!) It's like someone thought that putting just about all the slower, ballad-type songs at the end of the album was a good idea. They're all great songs, but without uptempo songs to separate them they make the album drag out a bit.

And when I say issue, it's only a very minor one - I still consider Woodface one of the best albums in Neil's career

Hawk57 posted:

I think you've nailed the issue with Woodface there (it's not a couple of songs too long, whatever Neil says!) It's like someone thought that putting just about all the slower, ballad-type songs at the end of the album was a good idea. They're all great songs, but without uptempo songs to separate them they make the album drag out a bit.

And when I say issue, it's only a very minor one - I still consider Woodface one of the best albums in Neil's career

Exactly 

I haven't seen much discussion of I May Be Late. I think its lovely. Wonder why it was discarded?

Also, Burnt Out Tree-is this a Neil or Paul song? On the live version, Neil says they're bringing Paul down front for it. And why is it so short-both versions about a minute and a half. Is that all it ever was? 

Really like Creek Song. Could anyone PM me a version of one that doesn't include Left Hand?

 

stuartjb posted:
Hawk57 posted:

I think you've nailed the issue with Woodface there (it's not a couple of songs too long, whatever Neil says!) It's like someone thought that putting just about all the slower, ballad-type songs at the end of the album was a good idea. They're all great songs, but without uptempo songs to separate them they make the album drag out a bit.

And when I say issue, it's only a very minor one - I still consider Woodface one of the best albums in Neil's career

Exactly 

Definitely one of the best in Neils career!

Nothing Wrong With You posted:

I think Anyone Can Tell is a great track and should've made the album.  I dropped it into the album on tape back in the day so for me, it's always been a part of Woodface.

Yep, I've never understood how that song missed the album. It's my second-favourite Crowdies track, behind Recurring Dream.

An entire third of my top fifteen tracks are from Afterglow, so apparently my favourites were just cursed.

Steve Shealy posted:

I haven't seen much discussion of I May Be Late. I think its lovely. Wonder why it was discarded?

Also, Burnt Out Tree-is this a Neil or Paul song? On the live version, Neil says they're bringing Paul down front for it. And why is it so short-both versions about a minute and a half. Is that all it ever was? 

Really like Creek Song. Could anyone PM me a version of one that doesn't include Left Hand?

 

I'd be happy to chime in on I May Be Late. I think it's a highlight of the reissues. That chorus is fabulously catchy. It's a shame that CH never went back to it for another go. It seems odd that they had so many goes at creating somewhere for the Left Hand chorus to live but abandoned several other equally, if not more promising, ideas. I guess things just move on sometimes.

Regardless, I think it's a cracking song.

Paul H posted:
Steve Shealy posted:

I haven't seen much discussion of I May Be Late. I think its lovely. Wonder why it was discarded?

Also, Burnt Out Tree-is this a Neil or Paul song? On the live version, Neil says they're bringing Paul down front for it. And why is it so short-both versions about a minute and a half. Is that all it ever was? 

Really like Creek Song. Could anyone PM me a version of one that doesn't include Left Hand?

 

I'd be happy to chime in on I May Be Late. I think it's a highlight of the reissues. That chorus is fabulously catchy. It's a shame that CH never went back to it for another go. It seems odd that they had so many goes at creating somewhere for the Left Hand chorus to live but abandoned several other equally, if not more promising, ideas. I guess things just move on sometimes.

Regardless, I think it's a cracking song.

There really are several albums worth of quality songs that they could go back to. Lots on these reissues, and still many (Walk Tall, Franks Dark Past, etc.) that were left off again.

I'd love to have more info about many of these tracks. Were they improvisations or fully formed songs? Take Frank's Dark Past: beyond "what on earth was that all about?", I'm interested to know if it was a fully formed song was it ever rehearsed or demoed? Likewise for Walk Tall and Tail of a Comet. Apart from appearing to be pretty fully formed, the band seem to know them. The same can be said for Same Language as Me and Burnt Out Tree (a track Peter Green can't have known too much about because it was left untitled on the fan club CD from which it was taken (unless, of course, PG wanted it to be a surprise).

Paul H posted:

I'd love to have more info about many of these tracks. Were they improvisations or fully formed songs? Take Frank's Dark Past: beyond "what on earth was that all about?", I'm interested to know if it was a fully formed song was it ever rehearsed or demoed? Likewise for Walk Tall and Tail of a Comet. Apart from appearing to be pretty fully formed, the band seem to know them. The same can be said for Same Language as Me and Burnt Out Tree (a track Peter Green can't have known too much about because it was left untitled on the fan club CD from which it was taken (unless, of course, PG wanted it to be a surprise).

I second this. I've asked what the heck Frank is about and got no answer, any Aussies want to clue us in? Some of them seem to at least be rehearsed, although in Walk Tall, and Pieces of Change, Neil calls out chords to the rest of the band. I wonder if perhaps they are "road test" songs that got dropped, like so many from Intriguer.

Burnt Out Tree does have both a live and a studio demo, on the debut and Temple bonus discs.

I think I do recall Jeremy saying he didn't find any studio recording of Frank, sadly.

Paul H posted:

Re: Burnt Out Tree. Yes, there's a demo. But presumably the band must have actually rehearsed it rather than just heard it.

I don't have my copy with me; was this a Neil home demo or a studio demo? I think at least some of the studio demos are the full band. Do you know if this is a Neil song, or Paul? Wondering why he calls Paul down front for the live version.

Hawk57 posted:

I think you've nailed the issue with Woodface there (it's not a couple of songs too long, whatever Neil says!) It's like someone thought that putting just about all the slower, ballad-type songs at the end of the album was a good idea. They're all great songs, but without uptempo songs to separate them they make the album drag out a bit.

I agree. That's why I dare you to try out this running order the next time you slip in the Woodface CD:

2,6,3,9,7,8,1,5,11,4,12,10,13,14

This is from "The Art of the Sequence" thread, listing harmonically compatible songs next to each other. As I had noted back then, even "Chocky Cake" does not sound out of place now.

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Dorthonion posted:
Hawk57 posted:

I think you've nailed the issue with Woodface there (it's not a couple of songs too long, whatever Neil says!) It's like someone thought that putting just about all the slower, ballad-type songs at the end of the album was a good idea. They're all great songs, but without uptempo songs to separate them they make the album drag out a bit.

I agree. That's why I dare you to try out this running order the next time you slip in the Woodface CD:

2,6,3,9,7,8,1,5,11,4,12,10,13,14

This is from "The Art of the Sequence" thread, listing harmonically compatible songs next to each other. As I had noted back then, even "Chocky Cake" does not sound out of place now.

I agree wholeheartedly that "It's Only Natural" would be a great opener, I love moving "Whispers and Moans" closer to the front (but it would be great anywhere), and I can dig "Chocolate Cake" as the side 1 closer. My problem with this sequence is that it makes the end of side 2 even slower by shoehorning "All I Ask" after "Italian Plastic." I also have a hard time breaking up "Tall Trees" and "Weather With You." Those songs together make each other better.

I just put together my own attempt. I'll listen today and see if it needs tweaking.

  1. It's Only Natural
  2. Four Seasons in One Day
  3. Fall at Your Feet
  4. Whispers and Moans
  5. Tall Trees
  6. Weather With You
  7. She Goes On
  8. There Goes God
  9. Italian Plastic
  10. Chocolate Cake
  11. As Sure As I Am
  12. Fame Is
  13. All I Ask
  14. How Will You Go

I originally had "All I Ask" as side 1's closer, but I think "She Goes On" works better there. It'd be tough to lose the 1-2 punch that ends the original album, though. Either way, I definitely think "Fame Is" is the jolt of energy that needs to be moved further back in the play order.

Edit: Glancing at it again, I may flip "Fame Is" and "All I Ask."

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