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With the Dizzy Heights promotional tour now finished and the promise of Neil taking some serious time-off from the spotlight, not to mention Tim's semi-retirement (possibly due to health related issues) and Crowded House being parked on blocks in some proverbial garage, it feels like these days there's not much to look forward to when it comes to Frenz related music/events.

I know we've seen our fair share of dry spells in the past, and in most cases these have been instantly wiped from our memory by unexpected announcements or the first news of some great new project, however this time it feels a little different.

I can't help but feel like this forum has gone icy-cold over the past few weeks. Maybe it's because there is absolutely nothing on the horizon for 2015 (at least not that we the fans know of) or maybe it's the sign of a 40+ year musical career that's beginning to wind down.

With the release of Pink Floyd's Endless River this week, we're reminded of how easily 20 years can go by between albums and how much things change and how much is lost during that time, in the lives and careers of our favorite artists.

Neil deserves to take a break and pursue whatever interests he may want. Maybe we've been spoiled with as many projects as he's delivered over the years...

Here's hoping there's some really positive, upbeat and promising news from the Finn camp in the not-too-distant future.

youll never see the end of the road while your travelling with me...

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Neil certainly deserves a break, but I thought I read that expected to get several new projects out fairly quickly; did I imagine that? With about half of a CH album in the can, and supposedly some new PJ Club tracks begun, I would hate for those efforts to wind up in musical limbo.

Perhaps if he wants to stay close to home for a bit and not tour to support new music, he could put the finishing touches on the box set and finally shut up pesky fans like me .

Tim possibly has health issues? Please expound, that is also news to me. I hope that is untrue, but I have read that he doesn't want to travel as much. I would be delighted if he would release the music from his White Cloud project, and maybe a Rarities Vol. 2.

Meanwhile, perhaps Liam will stay busy, and I would love for Elroy to show us what he can do. "The Cobbler" was a nice indication that he has the talent to continue the Finn legacy. And Harper and Elliot showed they have promise as well, in the Family benefit concert. 

While we're waiting for new releases by CH, PJ or the rumoured box set we can still try and persuade Repertoire Records (www.repertoirerecords.com) to release a CD/DVD combo with a live recording from the Rockpalast concert broadcast on the german WDR network 09.12.1993 (www.rockpalastarchiv.de/concert/crowd.html).

 

You can contact Repertoire Records at info@repertoirerecords.com andinfo@rskentertainment.co.uk

 

Make it happen!

I think we have a lot to look forward to. Neil has claimed that he wants to double his catalog within ten years. He has also hinted that he wants to make a series of albums in fairly rapid succession and will (unfortunately) forego touring, partly to make this happen. I bet the next album (project as yet undisclosed) will be out somewhere between late 2015 and early 2016. In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more entries into the kitchen sink.

The Finn Brothers clearly aren't going to tour the world again, but it would be great to see what Neil and Tim would come up with if they wrote and recorded a new studio album in New Zealand.  Maybe something like The Conversation, but with both of them.

 

I think Crowded House is officially dead.  I'm calling it.  Nobody outside of a select few seemed particularly enamored with Intriguer.  I don't even think Neil was particularly happy with the process of recording it nor the final product.  It's clear to me that both PJC and Dizzy Heights were backlashes against Intriguer and I think Neil has been much happier writing, recording, releasing, and promoting those records.

 

I think it's time to let Crowded House become a nostalgia piece, just like Split Enz.  It was fun to have a reunion that included the recording and release of 1.5 albums of material, but it's not necessary to continue down that path when it's not where Neil's heart or creative spirit thrive.  I think Crowded House should release a box set, Afterglow II, historic live albums, and do reunion tours and shows.  Let's celebrate what a great band they were, just like we do with Split Enz, without expecting them to be the creative force they were 20+ years ago.

I hate to have to agree with your comment Painaporo.

I also think a 3rd Crowded House 2.0 album is highly unlikely; and it kills me to have to accept this.

I hope the Finn brothers join forces again soon, even if just to record and release a collection of new songs.

As to whether or not Neil will ultimately be as productive as he's hoping to over the next few years, we'll just have to wait and see. I can't help but think of Paul's words at the news conference  before the Farewell concert in Sydney in 96'; how he planned to spend more time in his studio and make records, but also admitting to the fact that it probably would never happen.

I hope we have plenty more Finn related releases (Liam, Elroy, Tim, Neil, 7 Worlds, Finn Family Circus, Crowded House, Finn Bros., Split Enz, etc...) and would love to see Neil in concert again someday.

Finally, I hope we get some insight as to what's coming or who's doing what in the New Year. Other than Mark Hart and Liam (and Neil's last 2014 gig later this month), everyone else seems to be AWOL.

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Couldnt agree with Painaporo even if I want to. First of all, lately has been too much too rushed conclusions here that Neil wasnt too much satisfied with how "Intriguer" turned out. Why?Just because he didnt play songs from Intriguer on his solo DH tour? Well, I have to remind you:

1. In interviews after Intriguer was released, Neil often has mentioned; "it may be the best thing we ever done..." (I suppose he ment it not only or maybe not at all musicaly, but generaly in maner of their colective vibe, relations and energy between band.

2. Shortly after Intriguer, they jumped back together into studio and recorded almost half of album. So, if he wasnt satisfied with Intriguer how some may say, how come he jumped into studio for "Intriguer nr.2" (only with different producer, but with same crew)???

3. Dont you think that maybe reason for not playing Intriguer songs on last tour was the fact that Intriguer songs just simply didnt have enough time to "spread their roots"? I mean, be realistic, it was only album in his career which was folowed by new album only one year later!!! And even not from the same band!

 

I think that only thing we can agree now and know now is that we dont know anything what might happen in a world of Neil Finn in near future. Any guess might be failure. I guess, for example, that songs recorded for new CH album will never see light of the day. At least not in the shape they are recorded. But I dont know about rereunion of CH. It wouldnt be wonder if Neil raise up one morning in near future and decide to call Nick and others for recording new CH album. Maybe he already did it. Or maybe, like it was 2 years ago, suddenly his song will raise as key track in some blockbuster movie, and I didnt have a clue before that he working on that. Neil Finn likes to suprise! He likes anticipation! And no one knows what he meant when he said that it was or is his last concert in very long time. What is his long time? One year, three years, 10 years?

 

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Anyone else think a few songs from the last CH session wound up on Dizzy Heights? Maybe not likely but it seems possible to me.

 

As to Crowded House being "dead," I remain optimistic that they'll have another release. Just maybe not as soon as we'd hope. This is coming from someone who didn't exactly love Intriguer (I see it as a compromise between nostalgia and experimentation that fell a bit flat on both). That said, I would love to see my favorite band get back together. They all bring so much to the table and with an actual producer and maybe a few guests (how about Dan Kelly, Aaradhna, and Jonny Greenwood!) they could easily make another masterpiece. Right now it seems like Neil would prefer other avenues and he has every right to do so. But some day...

I don't take the fact that Neil is taking a break from touring as a sign that he's winding down. As others have said, he's talked about being MORE productive in the next few years, rather than less. Whether that happens or not is another matter.

 

And Neil also loves playing. He's a performer at heart and he loves the interaction with other musicians. Although touring is off-menu, it doesn't mean we won't see occasional showpiece shows, webcasts etc.

 

I remain positive about future material from Mr Finn.

 

As for the Forum, well, it was pretty dead even when Dizzy Heights came out. I think we've just said all there is to say and those that remain interested in Neil's new solo projects don't necessarily spend their time here.

 

It's a shame but I find myself visiting here less and less often. Of course, that makes me part of the problem but, well, that's just the way it is at the moment.

I think we've mentioned this before, but I wonder if his Twitter feed has something to do with less going on at the Forums. We now have the ability to get info / tweets / musings etc., straight from the horses mouth..  

 

I initially thought his (pretty active) twitter feed might stimulate lots more activity / comment here..

Originally Posted by Spencer Goode:

Anyone else think a few songs from the last CH session wound up on Dizzy Heights? Maybe not likely but it seems possible to me.

 

 

 

 

 

I had seriously never considered that. We do know that two Pajama Club tracks were used, so I guess it is a possibility. Gryph or Jaffa, could either of you shed light on this? Any CH tracks on Dizzy Heights, and if so, which ones?

 

I think the forum has slowed down because internet forums have declined in popularity over all.  People use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Tumblr to get their fix these days.  I love this forum and wish there was more activity, but at least I know it's still the place to go when there's a big piece of Finn news to discuss.

Originally Posted by proudpom:
Originally Posted by Steve Shealy:
We do know that two Pajama Club tracks were used, so I guess it is a possibility. Gryph or Jaffa, could either of you shed light on this? Any CH tracks on Dizzy Heights, and if so, which ones?

 

Which two Dizzy Heights songs were from PJC?

 

 

Don't have the liner notes handy, but Pony Ride was one. If you look, there's another that lists Neil, Sharon, and (I think) SJD as songwriters. They were part of the tracks laid down for the PJC followup.

Originally Posted by Mariola:

Couldnt agree with Painaporo even if I want to. First of all, lately has been too much too rushed conclusions here that Neil wasnt too much satisfied with how "Intriguer" turned out. Why?Just because he didnt play songs from Intriguer on his solo DH tour? Well, I have to remind you:

1. In interviews after Intriguer was released, Neil often has mentioned; "it may be the best thing we ever done..." (I suppose he ment it not only or maybe not at all musicaly, but generaly in maner of their colective vibe, relations and energy between band.

2. Shortly after Intriguer, they jumped back together into studio and recorded almost half of album. So, if he wasnt satisfied with Intriguer how some may say, how come he jumped into studio for "Intriguer nr.2" (only with different producer, but with same crew)???

3. Dont you think that maybe reason for not playing Intriguer songs on last tour was the fact that Intriguer songs just simply didnt have enough time to "spread their roots"? I mean, be realistic, it was only album in his career which was folowed by new album only one year later!!! And even not from the same band!

 

I think that only thing we can agree now and know now is that we dont know anything what might happen in a world of Neil Finn in near future. Any guess might be failure. I guess, for example, that songs recorded for new CH album will never see light of the day. At least not in the shape they are recorded. But I dont know about rereunion of CH. It wouldnt be wonder if Neil raise up one morning in near future and decide to call Nick and others for recording new CH album. Maybe he already did it. Or maybe, like it was 2 years ago, suddenly his song will raise as key track in some blockbuster movie, and I didnt have a clue before that he working on that. Neil Finn likes to suprise! He likes anticipation! And no one knows what he meant when he said that it was or is his last concert in very long time. What is his long time? One year, three years, 10 years?

 

 

 

 Top post Mariola . When I read Painaporo's post , Neil's quote about Intriguer being "possibly the best thing we've ever done" doesn't really resonate with insinuations that Neil didn't enjoy the process or the results ?!

 

Unless people on here are personal friends of Neils' I think there are an awful lot of assumptions being made !

 

I haven't been on here in a while , because there's nothing for me to talk about. It's great that Neil and Tim are playing in New Zealand - but I live in Scotland...

 

I do still think Intriguer is one of the best things Neil / Crowded House has ever done. Loved Dizzy Heights - grew on me a lot , and had it on in the car this morning.

 

I am however dissapointed about two things. Neil is on some kind of hiatus when the gig I saw him at in Glasgow last year showed a guy at the height of his performing powers. I'm also dissapointed that Crowded House haven't done anything since 2010 . Can it really be five years ?!

 

I'm glad Neil is having fun producing Jesse Sheehan etc, but as a fan , I'm selfish !

 

I'm going to start taking a more active part in this forum again , as it's my favourite forum - really love it.

 

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Unfortunately, I wasn't able to attend any of the DH tour gigs. From what I've heard, Intriguer wasn't terribly well received. It crashed in at #1 on the AU charts, but very soon plummeted. I remember someone on here, from the UK, saying it had ended up in a bargain bin. Perhaps Neil didn't think the fans wanted to hear those songs, or with so much CH stuff to choose from, they took low priority.

As for Tim's health, I remember he cancelled the US leg of his TVIWTC tour, citing health issues. I suspected that may have been vocal health, as he lost his voice a couple times, during the Sydney gig. He sounded much better, when I saw him in 2013. I certainly hope there's nothing seriously wrong. Tim may be 24 years my senior, but he has to outlive me! As he is a Bhuddist, I will say what Bhuddists say/pray to their beloved gurus, please live long!

You know, I do think that Neil's changed his writing style when you compare Dizzy Heights to the way he was writing 10 years ago circa Everyone Is Here.  I've been trying to put my finger on it.  I think Neil's writing has become much more focused on groove (songs like "Pony Ride" or "Flying in the Face of Love") and much less focused on intricate chord changes and harmonies (songs like "Gentle Hum" or "Pour le Monde").

 

I'm not saying he's completely rejected one style of writing or completely adopted another.  You can still find elements of both on Dizzy Heights.  I'm just saying that it's a shift I've noticed.  I don't think he's doing it for Sharron's benefit, I just think he's been liking the results that he's been getting.

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

You know, I do think that Neil's changed his writing style when you compare Dizzy Heights to the way he was writing 10 years ago circa Everyone Is Here.  I've been trying to put my finger on it.  I think Neil's writing has become much more focused on groove (songs like "Pony Ride" or "Flying in the Face of Love") and much less focused on intricate chord changes and harmonies (songs like "Gentle Hum" or "Pour le Monde").

 

I'm not saying he's completely rejected one style of writing or completely adopted another.  You can still find elements of both on Dizzy Heights.  I'm just saying that it's a shift I've noticed.  I don't think he's doing it for Sharron's benefit, I just think he's been liking the results that he's been getting.

 

 

I do think he writes differently for Pajama Club, starting with drum-and-bass groove; and both of the songs you mentioned were originally meant for the Pajama Club followup. They sound ok on DH, but part of me wishes he had hung on to them and finished that, as well as finishing the next CH album that was started. He has talked about being more prolific, I do hope he meant it.

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

You know, I do think that Neil's changed his writing style when you compare Dizzy Heights to the way he was writing 10 years ago circa Everyone Is Here.  I've been trying to put my finger on it.  I think Neil's writing has become much more focused on groove (songs like "Pony Ride" or "Flying in the Face of Love") and much less focused on intricate chord changes and harmonies (songs like "Gentle Hum" or "Pour le Monde").

 

I'm not saying he's completely rejected one style of writing or completely adopted another.  You can still find elements of both on Dizzy Heights.  I'm just saying that it's a shift I've noticed.  I don't think he's doing it for Sharron's benefit, I just think he's been liking the results that he's been getting.

That's a good observation, and I think it ties into Experimental Neil Finn versus Melodic Pop Genius Neil Finn. Experimental Neil Finn loves the grooves, and hates the idea that people may seem only as a pop songwriter (which is nothing to be bothered by, but I do think Neil sometimes is). Melodic Pop Genius Neil Finn writes some of the greatest songs there have ever been. Dizzy Heights was a really strong hybrid of both, I think, but I'm not big on grooves myself, so I'm always hoping for the next album to be a pure pop masterpiece in one form or another.

-Comp

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