Have to say if it's just Vinyl releases it's a tad disappointing, was hoping for a box set of rarities, outtakes and unreleased material.

No 'Time On Earth'? This doesn't look like it's THE release we've all been waiting for... Neil, Mark and others have pretty much confirmed a November release date to celebrate the 30th Anniversary.

Also from what I recall, we're getting reissues with unreleased demos and bonus tracks...

Neil has also mentioned there will be several records coming out very soon under different names so I wouldn't rule out a new CH record being one of them.

I'll admit that all this wondering and speculating is 'Driving Me Mad'... these past few months definitely feel like the longest dry-spell we've experienced on this Forum... almost no official announcements, no real news coming out and even the amount of reviews around Neil's recent concerts, pale in comparison to what it was like a few years back... Are people just not interested anymore? Has Twitter drained the Forum? Have Neil's musical-experiments turned people off?

I was aware that Afterglow was due out on vinyl but this bundle does have me baffled. It isn't being advertised for sale anywhere else. Can Peter offer any clues?

Paul H posted:

I was aware that Afterglow was due out on vinyl but this bundle does have me baffled. It isn't being advertised for sale anywhere else. Can Peter offer any clues?

Peter mentioned a while ago that Afterglow would get a vinyl relese - all legit and good!

Indeed he did, but what's being advertised is, apparently, a reissue of most - if not all - the back catalogue. Peter didn't mention that, which is why I wonder whether he can offer any info.

Did anyone read Peter's vip email?  Sounds like one---only one---Bonus disc.  Or one per release?  Hard to tell.  If it's the former it could be mostly a bunch of b-sides.   That would be...hard for long time fans who already have them and have been dreaming of a box set for years.

Jaffaman posted:

Don't worry, Jim. Many hours of previously unheard goodness are coming.

Here's hoping they've been mastered with a light touch (but I hold out absolutely no expectation of this).

Jaffaman posted:

Don't worry, Jim. Many hours of previously unheard goodness are coming.

Wow, sounds like a lot more than just a handful of bonus tracks at the end of each album. More like an extra disc with each album. Even if they're not calling it a box set, it sure seems like one.

Paul H posted:

Here's hoping they've been mastered with a light touch (but I hold out absolutely no expectation of this).

It's getting more common for current releases to be available in 24/96 or 24/192 (see the recent Ryan Adams Heartbreaker reissue). I wonder if there's any chance we'll see something similar from the Crowded House reissues.

Depends how they were recorded: if the albums were recorded/mixed. If they were recorded and mixed on analogue tape, we're good for a new hi res conversion; if they were mixed digitally, then I'd suspect that we're limited to the resolution available at the time which, in the late 1980's/early 1990's would have been 16/44.1. I recall asking this question elsewhere and I think Jaffaman suggested they were mixed to analogue.

Of course, the other issue is whether or not the record companies can be bothered with the expense of re-digitising analogue recordings. Remastering can often be literally just that: take the existing digital master and tweak it, rather than going back to scratch and starting again from the master tape.

Much as I like the idea of having hi res, I'm much more concerned about how the mastering is done and I'm very fearful that the whole CH catalogue (including, hopefully, previously unreleased material) will be subject to the same nasty loud mastering we've had to endure Neil and Tim's solo work (and the Enz remasters) being subjected to.

Here's hoping I'm wrong.

Ooh no. Don't go messing with the mixes. That's rewriting history and we can't have that. In all seriousness, I find remixes to be hard to love. Those imperfect originals are the ones I know and love, and altering them just creates unnecessary alternates.

Well that Frenzy remix basically created a timeless album out of a pile of crap, so not all remixes are bad.  But there's no reason to remix the original CH albums.  The only issue that needs correcting is the loud awful mastering of Afterglow.

I don't know much about mixing in the 80s but it sounds like that reverb is over the whole track. Added after the mix was done. So technically a mastering issue?

I agree the reverb is over the top.  Like Marshall Crenshaw's Field Day.  A dry mix of 4 songs from that leaked out and it was revelatory.  I have no hope whatsoever that CH1 will get the same treatment, though.

Anybody know if some Pro Tools plugin or something can fix it?  I know that was impossible but who knows with technology these days...

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Paināporo posted:

Well that Frenzy remix basically created a timeless album out of a pile of crap, so not all remixes are bad.  But there's no reason to remix the original CH albums.  The only issue that needs correcting is the loud awful mastering of Afterglow.

I agree wholeheartedly on both counts. Frenzy is the exception that proves the rule. I still wish it were mastered better though. The compression/limiting is shocking.

I think the obsession with adding too much reverb may be a Neil Finn thing.  Has anyone heard "Flying in the Face of Love"?  Talk about reverb!

I assume we are mostly talking about reverb on vocals? I don't mind it usually. I wouldn't say it's a big thing for Neil, in fact much of the time his vocals are bone-dry (much of One All and TWT for example). But his voice does sound fantastic with a bit of delay and reverb (recently: Bodhisattva Blues, TNT for Two).

The only remixing I would like to see, is a surround mix of Together Alone. It could be incredible. But I believe Neil has indicated he has little interest in this.

For the reissues, it might have been nice to just mix one or two tracks that way (Nails in my Feet, Private Universe) as digital download bonuses.

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I recall reading in Chris Burke's book that the band recorded a lot of sound effects and other ambient sound for Together Alone that was mixed out by Bob Clearmountain. Bob is a fabulous mix engineer and undoubtedly made the right choices but I've always wondered what the band's original vision for TA was. I'd love a second disc (or lossless download) of alternate "kitchen sink" mixes. 

Something else we learnt recently-ish: a set of "Zen" mixes were made of a handful of songs just for fun. One of them was made available on Neil's website but, of course, one of them had been made available years ago: Zen Roxy. Clearly, there must have been a track with "Roxy" in the title (maybe that was the title) and was subjected to one of Youth's Zen mixes. Given how Locked Out was treated in the Zen mix it seems reasonable to suspect that the original Roxy is very different from the released mix. Fingers crossed I get to find out...

Just a little bit longer & more will be revealed..  Debut, Temple, Woodface, Together Alone, Afterglow, Time On Earth and Intriguer all on vinyl.   Reissues (CD will happen with bonus disc, ) but we'll have much more news over the next few weeks. I know waiting is a pain but it's best just to let this happen "officially" as far as press release and full details go. Thanks for being patient.  The wheels have been turning behind the scenes. 

Thanks Gryphon!  Very exciting times.

I wonder if blu-ray was ever considered as a way to combine remasterings, 5.1 mixes, and additional demos, outtake, etc.  I hope we get a history at some point on the evolution of this project, I'm sure it would be fascinating given all the available material. 

So the vinyls are now up for prerder on Amazon.co.uk here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref...2&rnid=382527011

Peter / Jafferman - Are we correct to assume that the vinyls will just be a standard release so it matters not if we buy here or via any other CH related site? With anything CD related better bought elsewhere?

Not wanting to dig pre:announcement but have a load of Amazon vouchers burning a hole!

Thanks J

 

 

If this really is coming out Sep16th its gonna be a very last minute announcement. Maybe a surprise release?

Crowded House is going all Beyonce.

I can see this being very frustrating: vinyl with better (bigger) artwork and better mastering, CD with more songs...

The thing is you just can't please everyone. If just the cds were being released, i'm sure there would be people disappointed with no vinyl. And if it was just vinyl, people would be disappointed with no cd. The extras may be available to download, I don't know (cd is better quality anyway). And maybe a casual vinyl buyer would rather just have the standalone LP rather than an extra disc of extras too which would surely bump up the price. It's probably best just to wait for the official announcement which should be soon to see exactly what is being released and when.  Have to say though...should be exciting!

We will officially be rewarded in full colour in due course, but in the meantime it appears that the official with the announcement has officially got lost - his telly's gone officially bung - leaving the Frenz world officially mystified within the afterglow and confusion around the lack of official announcement thus far (Time on Earth is officially ticking) - However, this is not an official open and closed  / Black and White case (See what I officially did there) as there are other difficulties to officially overcome in the world where the official lives (On an official roll here) - I hope that officially clears things up whilst we await the official, with the official announcement to officially return... So don't panic, help is officially coming (how can you groan at that) so you can go back to officially refreshing your email for VIP's and official notification of abovementioned official announcement and I will officially promise not to write such an officially boring post again :-)

Thought I'd better be home soon and not leave you all together alone. It's only natural to... no, that's enough of that. Sorry about the wait. Two things: There was to be an announcement by now but that's been delayed. Also, the vinyl release date the retail sites listed was wrong. Amazon now has the correct date.

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Nothing Wrong With You posted:

The thing is you just can't please everyone. If just the cds were being released, i'm sure there would be people disappointed with no vinyl. And if it was just vinyl, people would be disappointed with no cd. The extras may be available to download, I don't know (cd is better quality anyway). And maybe a casual vinyl buyer would rather just have the standalone LP rather than an extra disc of extras too which would surely bump up the price. It's probably best just to wait for the official announcement which should be soon to see exactly what is being released and when.  Have to say though...should be exciting!

The thing is: you can please everyone. This is only releasing music, not brain surgery. Why would you speculate that a Crowded House fan who is prepared to pay more for his/her vinyl than the cost of a CD, would rather go without an album of extras? Do record buyers routinely want less music from their favourite artists than CD buyers? 

(And CD will only be better quality than downloads if the downloads are lossy mp3s. If they're hi res files, they'll be better than CD.)

If you read my post again, I said a casual buyer of vinyl.  This refers to people who aren't hardcore fans of the band who may like a single or 2.  The same people who own a greatest hits cd but none of the actual albums.  And I have worked in the music retail industry for over 25 years so I know about costs, quality, people's opinions on prices etc.  It's not as easy as just pressing it all up and hoping it sells, especially the cost of smaller vinyl runs.

 

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My reaction is that while some vinyl buyers might indeed be just as fervent in wanting extra material, it's still a boutique market. Think of it from a business perspective. The original albums are a known quantity. They're already beloved and it's a safe assumption they will sell on vinyl to some degree. But putting several albums of brand new, untested material on vinyl straight away? That's asking too much, too risky. Maybe a band like Radiohead could get away with that, but with Crowded House I would just feel blessed to get anything on vinyl at this point.

On the other hand, high-res audio downloads seem much less risky. And much cheaper to put to market...presumably such files already exist on a hard drive somewhere, it's just a matter of distribution.

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