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I'm pretty murky about the manner of releasing singles these days. But then I'm old and remember when there actually were physical 45rpm singles, released before an album and used to drive the popularity of the band and album sales. A different era to be sure.

What's odd about TIYL as the next single, whatever that means these days, is that the band isn't playing it. I saw them in Nashville, where they didn't play it. Looking at various play lists from other venues, they're not playing it, even in Australia.

Anybody have any insight into this?
I just made a similar observation in the Perth gig thread. It's strange, isn't it? If they've decided to release TIYL as a "single" (whatever that means in this day and age), and gone to the effort of making not one but two promos for the song, one would think the band would feel obliged to play it. But right now, TIYL doesn't seem to be finding favour with them. I wonder if Neil, dissatisfied with all the road-tested versions of the song, has now tired of the studio recording arrangement too?
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
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Originally posted by stuartjb:
I reckon Crowded House should consider moving back to Parlophone , or maybe nonesuch records.They've done a good job of representing Wilco, and Ry Cooder for that matter.



I quite agree. surely almost anywhere has got to be better than the 'people' they are with now


Absolutely wright, Finngirl. But, this move CH made to UMG was again big mistake, like many mistakes (in commercial, promoting way, not musical) their managment have done since release of Intriguer, and before that. I am not suggesting they should stay with EMI, because I wasnt satisfiyed with their treatment with CH in time of TOE. But, I really dont know what UMG promised them to sign a contract? Only thing that UMG provided them was releasing album on time, and entry in probably every record store in the world. But, is that enough when nobody except fans even know that you have a new record? Whats the point to have entry in every record store when nobody knows about it?

So, I ask myself and every good soul here: wouldnt be much smarter and more inteligent to have smaller, minor publisher which would do everything to promote you because CH would be a "huge fish" for him, not small fish in sea of global, huge UMG. UMG dosnt care for CH, I guarantee it. They have many famous, attractive artist and CH is for them just one more number, just matter of ego in a way: "we get them before others, we "kidnapped" them from EMI.

So, here in Croatia we have one smart sentence: "better first in village, then last in town". CH should keep up to that.
My guess is that EMI rather than Neil or the band owns the master for the original recording of DDIO, which would mean UMG couldn't re-release DDIO unless Crowded House went back to the studio and recorded a new version.

This has been done before -- Camper Van Beethoven released a Best Of a few years ago on their own label that contained re-recordings of songs they had previously released while contracted to Virgin records. But somehow, I can't see UMG-era Crowded House having either the energy or the interest in re-recording DDIO just to make a few brass razoos from the unstoppable SuBo machine. Besides, Neil is doubtless already coining it in from the songwriter's royalties SuBo owes him.

Right now, I think there's more chance of Neil et al going back to the studio to have a second, I mean third, I mean fourth crack at Twice If You're Lucky.
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Originally posted by BART:
Thanks, Watney - I was thinking alonmg similar lines.

Just checked the BBC Radio 2 playlist for next week.....no TIYL.


The problem is we have no information, we don't know if the single's been rejected by the Beeb and other radio stations again or if UMG are just slow in releasing it to radio.

Anyone who can fill in the blanks please feel free. Frowner
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Surely almost anywhere has got to be better than the 'people' they are with now


You're making the assumption that the band aren't happy with what UMG has done.

WE may not be happy because we hope for more commercial recognition for the band. THEY may be perfectly happy with the sales they've achieved.
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Originally posted by Paul H:
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Surely almost anywhere has got to be better than the 'people' they are with now


You're making the assumption that the band aren't happy with what UMG has done.

WE may not be happy because we hope for more commercial recognition for the band. THEY may be perfectly happy with the sales they've achieved.


Well, assumption of Finngirl is quite on place. I think, Neil and co. have to be have really low expectations about their music if they are satisfiyed with:

- only 12. position on UK charts (weakest higher place ever for CH after "Woodface" era), vanished after only few weeks from every chart in UK
- 1. and 3. position on Australian and N.Z. charts, but VANISHED OFF charts after only few weeks
- expected but not welcomed only 50th place on US charts
- not making impact on any european top 20 album charts except Greek, but ofcourse only for a week
- not one single got to any chart in the world
- no airplay of any single on any radio station in Europe, US and probably Australia (except Saturday sun on C list of BBC)
- views of first two (three) singles videos on Youtube are below 50.000 all together
- almost nobody except us fans knows anything about new album and fact that CH still exist, and they are pretty good, fabolous

All in all, yes, they really should be satisfiyed and proud with their new publisher/promotor UMG.

Joke on a side, I think that Neil and co. didnt react still on any move (unmove) of UMG because they are on pretty egsosting tour for a half year now and I think they havent got time to deal with promoting of album, except what they have already been doing; touring. But, I honesty hope that they will throw deal with UMG in the garbage, because this is pretty shamefull, even for smaller, not recognized, not so famous band with history of 120.000 people on one concert like CH has been.

Plus, I must say I played "Twice if youre lucky", together with such classics as DDIO, FAYF, WWY, FSIOD, ION and others to my several friends and most of them mostly enjoyed "Twice if youre lucky" saying that this is the best song of CH ever. So, if this is not going to be hit, I think we can thanks that only to "those people" from UMG.
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Originally posted by Paul H:
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Surely almost anywhere has got to be better than the 'people' they are with now


You're making the assumption that the band aren't happy with what UMG has done.

WE may not be happy because we hope for more commercial recognition for the band. THEY may be perfectly happy with the sales they've achieved.
I couldn't agree more. Neil has never been in control of CH's fate more than he is now; if UMG have failed the band, he has only himself to blame for choosing them.
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Originally posted by adidasman:
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Originally posted by Paul H:
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Surely almost anywhere has got to be better than the 'people' they are with now


You're making the assumption that the band aren't happy with what UMG has done.

WE may not be happy because we hope for more commercial recognition for the band. THEY may be perfectly happy with the sales they've achieved.
I couldn't agree more. Neil has never been in control of CH's fate more than he is now; if UMG have failed the band, he has only himself to blame for choosing them.


I couldnt agree less. Neil is very intelligent human being and I am sure he didnt sign a deal with UMG just for crumbles like "relese record on time" and "entry to any store record in world". They had to offer something more to him, which they obviously didnt fulfill. It wouldnt be first time in history that publisher didnt do enough for his "protigee". And it wouldnt be first time that some musician left his publisher after short time. And he should, I know I would on his place.
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Originally posted by Mariola:
- almost nobody except us fans knows anything about new album and fact that CH still exist, and they are pretty good, fabolous



(Yes I know I've done a fair bit of UMG bashing as well, but) I quite like that, Mariola, it means (generally) smaller concert venues, more tour dates, intimate solo shows......perhaps Neil doesn't want the same level of success (not that I think that would be achievable!) again, let's bear in mind why the band split in the first place. Hopefully he'll now concentrate on the Pajama Party album and perhaps a solo release over the next 12/18 months.

Perhaps also the wider public DO know CH exist, they just don't like them..........

Having said that - extractum digitum, UMG and get the live clip of TIYL up on the website at least (don't care about joe public (who probably couldn't care less) but us fans would like to see it!! Big Grin)
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Originally posted by BART:
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Originally posted by Mariola:
- almost nobody except us fans knows anything about new album and fact that CH still exist, and they are pretty good, fabolous



(Yes I know I've done a fair bit of UMG bashing as well, but) I quite like that, Mariola, it means (generally) smaller concert venues, more tour dates, intimate solo shows......perhaps Neil doesn't want the same level of success (not that I think that would be achievable!) again, let's bear in mind why the band split in the first place. Hopefully he'll now concentrate on the Pajama Party album and perhaps a solo release over the next 12/18 months.

Perhaps also the wider public DO know CH exist, they just don't like them..........

Having said that - extractum digitum, UMG and get the live clip of TIYL up on the website at least (don't care about joe public (who probably couldn't care less) but us fans would like to see it!! Big Grin)


Mostly agree with you, Bart; there is some special, intimate mood about small concert venues and all close and personal vibe about it. And, its true that we wouldnt have that if CH were Coldpay, for example. But, somehow, I really want to CH be recognized, its only natural for me to want to share this joyment of listenings CH with every beating heart in this planet. I couldnt help it, even if I want to. And, I can say that most people would at least like CH (if not love) if they have chance to hear it. As I said before, everyone I know not just like, but love "Twice if you are lucky".
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Originally posted by Mariola:
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Originally posted by BART:
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Originally posted by Mariola:
- almost nobody except us fans knows anything about new album and fact that CH still exist, and they are pretty good, fabolous



(Yes I know I've done a fair bit of UMG bashing as well, but) I quite like that, Mariola, it means (generally) smaller concert venues, more tour dates, intimate solo shows......perhaps Neil doesn't want the same level of success (not that I think that would be achievable!) again, let's bear in mind why the band split in the first place. Hopefully he'll now concentrate on the Pajama Party album and perhaps a solo release over the next 12/18 months.

Perhaps also the wider public DO know CH exist, they just don't like them..........

Having said that - extractum digitum, UMG and get the live clip of TIYL up on the website at least (don't care about joe public (who probably couldn't care less) but us fans would like to see it!! Big Grin)


Mostly agree with you, Bart; there is some special, intimate mood about small concert venues and all close and personal vibe about it. And, its true that we wouldnt have that if CH were Coldpay, for example. But, somehow, I really want to CH be recognized, its only natural for me to want to share this joyment of listenings CH with every beating heart in this planet. I couldnt help it, even if I want to. And, I can say that most people would at least like CH (if not love) if they have chance to hear it. As I said before, everyone I know not just like, but love "Twice if you are lucky".
My best friend loves all kinds of music, and is, in general, pretty astute in terms of the things he likes. And CH bore him. If he doesn't like them - and he's nearly 50 - I'd say there will be plenty of folks out there who, for one reason or another, aren't swept away by their music. Most folks I know give it that "Yeah, it's nice, but it's not anything I find exciting..."; what can you do with that? I think CH are like vanilla ice cream; almost nobody hates it, but not everyone appreciates its subtle delights.
I would have thought that one of the JOBS of a record company was to help promote artists on their label and make the general public aware of their artist's new albums and concerts.


Or at the very least have the manners to reply to questions asked by paying customers

Neil and co deserve FAR better than the garbage 'job' UMG are doing
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Originally posted by adidasman:
Most folks I know give it that "Yeah, it's nice, but it's not anything I find exciting..."; what can you do with that? I think CH are like vanilla ice cream; almost nobody hates it, but not everyone appreciates its subtle delights.


I can't relate to this analogy Adidasman, because what your saying is that CH is "beige music" but some people can't relate to the fact that it's not just plain magnolia, it's something more subtle (Barley white?? Wink) .

Well if that were true then I don't think that CH would have any problems getting airplay in the UK since our airwaves are dominated by a station (BBC Radio 2) which plays large quantities of "beige music" and people over here buy lots of beige style music, hence the unfathomable popularity of James Blunt and Take That. This IMO is beige music, easy on the ear, unchallenging and it gets lots airplay.

CH used to get quite a bit of airplay over here but, Finn music isn't as digestible as some other music, it often takes more than one or two listens to click and as we all know Intriguer has bombed over here in terms of radio airplay. I will be quite happy to eat my words if TIYL suddenly gets played 20 times a week but I'm not a fantasist.

So maybe CH isn't vanilla ice cream, maybe it's something a bit rarer, something less accessible that people might appreciate if they tried, a New Zealand fine wine maybe, to the uneducated palate it might taste just like plonk and some people might see nothing in it, but to those significant number who take the time......

I think I might open a bottle tonight Smiler


KB
well well surprise suprise, I've just noticed my comments that had earlier been posted on the GM website re the 'job' being done by UMG have now been removed Roll Eyes

(no, they were not abusive/swearing etc etc just stating the facts and asking why such a lack of promo/why there was no info on The Crowdies for months on the site and why does what is there go to OTHER artists when you click on Crowded House)
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Sure Smiler

this is the page about them moving to UMG

http://www.getmusic.com.au/art...x?nid=1761&aid=62052


Thanks Finngirl Smiler

Just posted this on their site:

NOW YOU HAVE CROWDED HOUSE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THEM?

"When I first heard CH were moving to UMG I was optimistic. However, so far UMG have proved a big disappointment in their promotion of the band and Intriguer. Their poor timing on single and album release times in the UK has led to CH getting virtually no airplay on UK radio and they totally failed to capitalise on Neil Finn winning the Q award for classic songwriter. Now it appears the best song on the album Twice if Your Lucky is being steadfastly ignored by the radio stations. I know this sounds critical UMG but in fact CH fans only want to help you, visit frenzforum.com on the web and you will find a huge number of people who love CH and want Intriguer to be a success. We can help you if you talk to us and take on our views."


I wonder how long that will last before they take it down?

KB
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Sure Smiler

this is the page about them moving to UMG

http://www.getmusic.com.au/art...x?nid=1761&aid=62052


Thanks Finngirl Smiler

Just posted this on their site:

NOW YOU HAVE CROWDED HOUSE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THEM?

"When I first heard CH were moving to UMG I was optimistic. However, so far UMG have proved a big disappointment in their promotion of the band and Intriguer. Their poor timing on single and album release times in the UK has led to CH getting virtually no airplay on UK radio and they totally failed to capitalise on Neil Finn winning the Q award for classic songwriter. Now it appears the best song on the album Twice if Your Lucky is being steadfastly ignored by the radio stations. I know this sounds critical UMG but in fact CH fans only want to help you, visit frenzforum.com on the web and you will find a huge number of people who love CH and want Intriguer to be a success. We can help you if you talk to us and take on our views."


I wonder how long that will last before they take it down?

KB


Excellent post KB. I sure hope it stays there long enough for others to see Big Grin
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Originally posted by JamieB...:
PS- re: Universal, try emailing the girl from UM on the cd booklet - Nicola Melly I think her name is - more likly to hit home than a post on their website? Am guessing it would be nicola.melly@umusic.com - or .co.uk ?


who is she Jamie B???
Are you talking about the cd booklet for Intriguer?
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
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Originally posted by JamieB...:
PS- re: Universal, try emailing the girl from UM on the cd booklet - Nicola Melly I think her name is - more likly to hit home than a post on their website? Am guessing it would be nicola.melly@umusic.com - or .co.uk ?


who is she Jamie B???
Are you talking about the cd booklet for Intriguer?


- her name is one of several listed alongside the aforementioned Mr Hole under UMG.

Presumably she has a delete button on her pc anyway, would have thought a public posting would have more impact but perhaps Jamie knows she's the person to contact?
Never spoke to her, but someone mentioned her by name on the phone when I was trying to track down a promo for the new CD. Then her name appeared on the cd booklet, so I guessed she must have "something" to do with the band? No idea what mind you - Just figure it may be a better approach than the website which will be run by someone unconnected with the part of the record company looking after the band? Good luck! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Jane Elizabeth Lewis:
Hello everyone,
How cool is the song Twice If Your Lucky Smiler
It's a catchy tune as is all of the new songs
I went to the gig at The Horden Pavillion on 6 Nov 2010 and thought it was a great night.
From
Jane Lewis Smiler


Hi, Jane Lewis, warm welcome to this biggest small community, glad to read your posts here.

You are absolutely wright, "Twice if youre lucky" is so catchy, so beautifull song that only man with heart of stone wont be moved (borrow it from one reviewer, I think from "The line of best fit") Smiler
Not only great song but as someone here said, the strongest Neils and CH single from time of "Distant sun", and before that "Woodface" era. But, if it will become what it deserve to be, one of the most famous songs of the year, it would take a miracle. As you know, most of us fans here are not satisfiyed with wick promo work from publisher UMG, so it would take a strong "GONG" to wake them up now.
But, anyway, rest of the songs from Intriguer are catchy, excellent and beautifull too, so we could enjoy them and have blissfull and to me almost spiritual moments with them. Always glad to see that someone enjoy them and have wonderfull moments as I do. Welcome!
MYSTERY SOLVED - BUT YOU WON'T LIKE THE ANSWER

Ok, after much emailing to the BBC I have finally learnt from a very reliable source that (and this is a paraphrase not a quote)

Mercury Music (the UK subsiduary of UMG) has NOT released TIYL as a single in the UK and it appears does not intend to release it as a single.

I am currently in the process of getting this reconfirmed but I very much doubt that my BBC source would have replied as they did if it were not the case. To me this explains why the song isn't on any playlist over here let alone the Radio 2 Playlist.

Because this appears to be a critical mistake by Mercury Music I have informed CH Management of what I have learnt and hopefully they will be able to sort it out.

But now I bitterly regret that we didn't support TIYL the way we supported ESOTW, if we had mounted an email campaign we might have learnt of this cock up earlier and maybe the powers that be could have sorted it earlier, as the situation stands now CH have lost out significantly in terms of potential royalties and potential lost sales of Intriguer because we are so close to Christmas and TIYL has had no airplay.

I hope, (though I doubt) that heads will roll over this, someone, somewhere, surely deserves the sack!

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