The greatest of all the albums... and the rarities add fascinating insight to the creation process - the home demos again showing how it all starts.

Convent Girls has a changed time signature and is definitely heavier - electric guitar, but to my ears its not any the worse off for it. Yes, the live version that we know is real quality, but this version is sung here with some passion - it's on repeated listen now for me.

Didn't expect the huge round of applause errupting at the end of the Together Alone title track. It's certainly not on my original 1993 CD version. Was it there on any other editons or just a nice surprise on the new remastered editon?

 

(Not on this album but another variation is the non-fade to "Can't Carry On" on the first album. It faded out on the original Australian vinyl and CD but not on the 5.1 mix - which, let's face it, was a total overhaul of the original mixes anyway! Now on the new version it draws to a full volume close. Interesting.)

Since last week I have been listening to nothing but the Deluxe Editions. 

In true NF style, he has a way of summing up the current mood.

Take Convent Girls:

Where once we talked in confidence

We now shall hide in fear
And the future we imagined then
Is not quite so perfectly clear

Dazz posted:

Didn't expect the huge round of applause errupting at the end of the Together Alone title track. It's certainly not on my original 1993 CD version. Was it there on any other editons or just a nice surprise on the new remastered editon?

Given the solemnity of the song I was unsure about the inclusion of the applause until I heard the distinct Kiwi voice shouting out at the end: "But did you push the record button!?" Brilliant.

Dazz posted:

(Not on this album but another variation is the non-fade to "Can't Carry On" on the first album. It faded out on the original Australian vinyl and CD but not on the 5.1 mix - which, let's face it, was a total overhaul of the original mixes anyway! Now on the new version it draws to a full volume close. Interesting.)

"Can't Carry On" doesn't fade on the US CD.

lavar78 posted:
Dazz posted:

(Not on this album but another variation is the non-fade to "Can't Carry On" on the first album. It faded out on the original Australian vinyl and CD but not on the 5.1 mix - which, let's face it, was a total overhaul of the original mixes anyway! Now on the new version it draws to a full volume close. Interesting.)

"Can't Carry On" doesn't fade on the US CD.

Well that's interesting. I got the first album on vinyl (Australian edition 1986) and CD (Oz edition but bought a decade later) and it's definitely a fade. Could anyone shed some light on why that is the case?

"Tail of a Comet" has long been a favorite of mine. 

I've waited so very long to hear the studio version of "Convent Girls." It's hard to believe it was about 15 years ago at my first Neil Finn show that I got him to sing a little bit of the chorus. I'm ecstatic to say it didn't disappoint! I'll admit to being a bit nervous, especially once I noticed the change in time signature. The nerves quickly dissipated.

Am I the only one drawing a line between the choruses of "Convent Girls" and "Twice If You're Lucky"? It seems Neil loved the "chance once in your life/but...twice" turn of phrase the same way he obviously adored "left hand..."

lavar78 posted:

 

Am I the only one drawing a line between the choruses of "Convent Girls" and "Twice If You're Lucky"? It seems Neil loved the "chance once in your life/but...twice" turn of phrase the same way he obviously adored "left hand..."

Yeah I got that too, really starting to like the studio version. At first I didn't think much of it compared to the live version, but I'm coming around. Blue Smoke still my favourite from this disc.

I'm curious as to why the record company were hellbent on "Newcastle jam" being finished so it could be a single. I mean I guess it sounds fun and was likely to have a broader appeal than something dark like "nails in my feet". But it doesn't have a chorus! I assumed one must have been kicking around.. But it's not on this version.

I also wonder about "convent girls" .."You can touch" and "I am in love" sound kinda unpolished to me as if they had been relegated to b sides before recording but "convent girls" soubds classy. All three have similar sounding guitars though so maybe they were all punched out as b sides. 

Also I love the middle bit of the bonus disc where fingers runs into black and white boy. All that studio chatter takes u there. 

harrytrousers posted:

Also I love the middle bit of the bonus disc where fingers runs into black and white boy. All that studio chatter takes u there. 

I love that part too.  I love the version of Fingers of Love that has a very "Kare Kare arrangement" (for lack of a better description).  But of course I realize it would not have worked to have two songs with such similar arrangements on the same album.  

 

So what to listen to first?? I went left-field and put on The Same Language As Me. And, utterly fabulous though it is, I notice there are several very loud clicks that aren't on my, um, bootleg.


@Jaffaman, can you shed any light on this? Is it a pressing fault, or is it on the tape that was used? I've been able to clean them up but not everyone will be able to do so. Shame to spoil an otherwise wonderful track.

And I should say, I'm loving the bonus disc. Just track after tracks of incredible music. Together Alone is my favourite album of all time and, usually, bonus discs kinda water down the quality. Despite this being such a good album, the bonus disc actually complements it wonderfully.

Hi Paul. I just checked out Same Language As Me on the bonus disc and I can't hear clicks. Have you tried playing the CD on another player or ripping it onto a computer and checking it out there?

Glad you're enjoying the bonus disc. Probably my favourite too.

Jaffaman posted:

Hi Paul. I just checked out Same Language As Me on the bonus disc and I can't hear clicks. Have you tried playing the CD on another player or ripping it onto a computer and checking it out there?

Glad you're enjoying the bonus disc. Probably my favourite too.

Yes, I popped them into an audio editor and there are visible glitches. The most noticeable one occurs at 1:31.90 but there are three or four others, They seem to coincide with percussion hits, which made me wonder whether they were just the result of too much top in the mastering/tape transfer but, as I say, they're visible as glitches and can be cleaned up.

My speakers are (deliberately) very mellow with tamed highs and the clicks jumped out of them.

What's interesting, is that I can also hear them in the Spotify stream, which is why I thought I'd seek advice before returning the set.

Out of interest,  can you say what the source was for this track? Was it taken from a bootleg, does Universal have the master tape or was it taken from the radio station's own archive?

Haven't got to playing TA yet, have spotted an error in David Hepworth ' s notes though. He'd surely be gutted to know. The band actually came to UK in October and November 93 WITH Paul, rather than 94 without him. So there were 2 tours for TA in UK. As usual the rest of his writing is evocative and impassioned. He's a legendary fan isn't he?

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