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wooooooooooooooah no Jeremy, gonna have to strongly disagree there. I definitely think that Wally played the solo on the Mental Notes version,
Besides there being a totally different guitar sound (big lovely dirt pedal on the Second Thoughts version versus a cleanish 70's sound on Mental Notes), The notes, while being similar, there's far more elaboration on the Second Thoughts version. I like both versions equally, but I definitely think that there's no way the same guitarist played those two solos - even the way the strings are being hit.

my two cent
I think Mike Chunn said in STF that one of the irritating things about Wally Wilkinson's guitar work was that he sounded robust on stage and like a twanging rubber band in the studio. If I think of a guitar line that sounds like a twanging rubber band, it's the "Time For A Change" solo on Mental Notes. Smiler .

I don't know how to explain this, but you can *hear* when Phil Judd is playing electric guitar as opposed to others. The Second Thoughts solo sounds like Judd in the attack and interpretation(and as Jeremy said, it must be him in any case). The player on Mental Notes has a completely different interpretation - essentially a series of cleanly played notes, plink, plink, plink - which sounds less like Judd and more like Wally.

Paul.
Well it wasn't going to go into Judd's attack, vibrato and sustain in the way he plays the guitar, cos i didn't want it to be another case of all us guitarists taking over the board! But yeah, Judd has a very unique way of attacking the strings. i'd know his guitar playing anywhere. I'd love to know who his influences as a guitarist were, Besides the whole Maori strum thing. He has an interesting way of hitting the harmonics, and he used effects units sparingly but to great effect (I suppose a big thank you there would have to go to Paul Crowther, who was building boxes even then)

Interestingly enough, i reckon there is only a matter of 2 or 3 notes between the way Phil Judd played the solo, and the way Neil Finn played it in later years. I actually learned that solo from the Anniversary CD (Well, truth be told, The Spellbound CD - same version anyway). It's one of those things that ya can't help slapping on the SG (Gibson SG Guitar - Phil Judd used one in the enz days) and pluggin in the hotcake (Paul "Emilyn" Crowther's wonderful pedal that i couldn't bloody live without. It's got the warmest distortion there is), turning up the reverb a bit and going... dun! dun! du dun! dun da da da dun! etc.
I don't know, I love the general feel of the original studio versions, but Neil's guitar solo wins by a nose.

I really like Straight 'ol line from Anniversary, but i also love the original solo too.

Which is strange considering watching the Sight & Sound footage on the DVD of Neil playing "Woman who loves you", he didn't do that great of a job.

Here's irony. On the live recordings of Time For A Change from the Finn Bros. tour, Neil plays the guitar solo very Wally-esque, very rubber bandy!

...sitting in the office with time & tide on, doing nothing related to what i should be at...
Gee...I...um....saw Phil play the "Time for a Change" solo live and it followed the "Second Thoughts" version fairly closely. At that time, I had been completely unaware of an earlier "Mental Notes" than the US version I had become addicted to. Neil's version impressed me because of the effort it must have taken to actually learn a solo over those many many chord changes. Neil's strengths are numerous and intimidating at times, but as a guitarist, he can stand in line with the rest of the planet Earth behind Phil. I might allow a passionate argument for Tom Verlaine, Richard Thompson, or Hendrix, but the "Time for a Change" solo is Phil, towering over the competition, a quarter century ago.
actually the time for a change solo isn't that hard to learn. it's because it's broken up very slowly over mnay chord changes that it's easy. i have it tabbed out. i did this a few years ago, so any corrections welcome...

e|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
B|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
G|---------------------------------------------6-8-9----------------6---6-----|
D|---------2---------------------------6-9-7-6-------6-6\2-1-2-2/6-9-9-8------|
A|-2--4--2---2-2h4p2-1--1-2-1-0---4--3----------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|


e|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
B|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
G|---8-9-9-9h11p9-11^12v�-11^12v�-11-9-11-11^12v11-9h11-13-13-13h14-14-14h16--|
D|-9--------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|


e|------------------16(wiggle itlots)-19(")-19-16-12-9------------------------|
B|------------16h17-----------------------------------------------------------|
G|-16 16h18-18----------------------------------------------------------------|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

obviously, it's not comin out to great given the limitations of the text system on the board, but hey..
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Originally posted by private life:
[qb]Neil's strengths are numerous and intimidating at times, but as a guitarist, he can stand in line with the rest of the planet Earth behind Phil.[/qb]
The rest of planet earth huh? I can think of many lead guitarists who are much better than Phil. Slash, Gilby Clarke, Eric Clapton, Lenny Kravitz, Liam Finn, Dave Dobbyn, Mark Hart, Stone Gossard and Mike McCready just to name a few.

And whilst I don't rank Neil among the very best lead guitarists in the world, IMHO he's a better guitarist and soloist than Phil. I'm not at all saying that I don't love much of Phil's work, just that I prefer Neil as a guitarist.

Does anyone know if Phil Judd is still going to release that triple CD/book set he was talking about on the forum a while back. I'd been looking forward to it's release, but I haven't heard anything new about it recently.
My money's on Wally Wilkonson playing the solo on mental notes. And to be fair on him, Mike Chunn quite clearly states that the engineer didn't care about doing his job properly, in STF there's a bit about Wally playing 'a' solo over and over again, with screaming distortion in the booth, but only a twanging rubber band coming out in the control room. Sounds a bit like TFaC doesn't it?

One of the Enz webcasts mentioned that Dave Russell played the fast guitar lines in Maybe...

And on Neil playing the solo, I like how he's using the electric 12 string on the Finn tour.
as for phil judd's guitar playing, i guess it's all down to taste. there's technique guitarists (see yngwie malmsteen), and then there's raw guitarists. phil's a raw guitarist, i like the sounds he got, and his method of attacking the guitar. it was almost like he was bordering on hitting another string, or scraping a harmonic, but stayed on course. that's a style of guitar playing, jack white from the white stripes uses it, david gedge from the wedding present used it to some extent.

i love neil's guitar playing also. i happen to think he's a very underrated guitarist...
Stumbled across this old thread and thought I'd add some info after talking to both Miles and Wally recently.

It is indeed Wally playing the solo on "Time for a Change." And although it's Phil's song, the solo was actually composed by violinist Miles Golding. Wally thought it was perfect and copied it note for note... but he was frustrated by not getting the actual sound he was looking for. He had the luxury of three days to record his guitar parts for "Mental Notes" but every song had multiple guitar layers. Harrowing, he said.

Wally's amp was incredibly loud in the studio but sounded tiny in the control room. Eddie still laughs at the memory of Wally sweating like a rock god while making plink plink noises. Apparently the recording engineer wasn't at all interested in the group or their music. The Enz would turn up to the studio and see a sign on the door saying "Gone Fishing."
I saw the Melbourne show, and his voice was good. He's a bit raspy on the actual album, and wimps out on the high notes on TFaC, it's pretty horrible falsetto, and not exactly in tune either. Plus I can't stand the arrangement Smiler

But I love him anyway!!

Live Eddie Rayner played a quote from Rhapsody In Blue after the line "but still you try like a fat boy, dancing Gershwin's blues" which I thought was pretty funny.

I'll have to listen to the anniversary version again, I don't remember it being that bad, I just remember he changed the melody yet again so he didn't have to go so high.

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