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just thought i would have my say on the nick seymour debate, i think all of you who are giving nick a hard time, should remember crowded house were up until the woodface release, neil, nick and paul, as the old saying goes, if it aint broke, dont fix it,not taking anything away from tims input to woodface, i,m sure without him woodface may not of been the classic it is, but also it might of been?? as someone previously mentioned it may of nicks insecurities causing him to worry about his part in crowded house once tim joined, up until then crowded house were a tight unit, whose shows were great again not just for the music but for the onstage banter... between the three of them, i guess nick was used to the house as a threesome, he certainly does not deserve the slating he appears to be getting off some so called fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves and hang your heads in shame, you know who you are?
I must say I'm a bit sorry that this thread has re-surfaced. I don't know if you noticed but the posts against Nick were written in 2003 when CH were no more and not remotely likely to re-surface.
While I disagree with some of the sentiments expressed about Nick (I believe he and Tim get a fair amount of claptrap thrown at them whenever this story raises it's ugly head), I must say people on this forum do have a right to their opinions and I don't think they should be ashamed of themselves for expressing them.
We may not always agree with each other and sometimes some people can go pretty far when they have something to say - let's remember, Crowded House have a long, long history of ups and downs and fights and make-ups. Every one will have their opinions on this history and sometimes it's just not worth it to bring it all up again.
i am in no uncertain terms saying people dont have a right to express they,re opinions, however when they begin to say he,s a crap bass player, and questioning what he,s done since the house split is as far as i,m concerned a tad much, i didnt notice the dates until it was too late,however i hope this will be an end to all of anti nick, lets get behind the band and all its members, and get them back high in the charts again, Big Grin where they belong
I mjst say, this anti-Nick fervor shocks me from this group. So what if Nick wasn't familiar with Tim's solo work? Just because Tim is Neil's brother, and Nick was in a band with Neil, does that make Nick obligated to know the Tim Finn discography? That's ridiculous. And, regardless of Nick's "average" bass playing, or his lack of songwriting skills, or his failure to make an attempt at a solo career, Neil seems to want to play with him. Isn't that enough? If you had a journalist asking you questions every third day, you'd probably come up with some pretty contradictory stuff, too, depending on your mood - and I bet you could find interviews where Neil says he's written two good songs, and the rest are garbage. Do you think he feels that way every day? Of course not. Lastly, Tim in CH was a huge, huge mistake; I've always though Neil did it because he felt guilty for being more successful than Tim. Yes, Tim co-wrote some great songs on "Woodface", but that didn't require him to go out on tour with them. (And, lest anyone misunderstand how things work, Nick Seymour got no royalties from the sales of "Weather With You" or "Four Seasons..", so you can axe that bit about Nick enjoying the fruits of Tim's labors.) Tim solo is fine; Tim with Neil is spotty at best, and I mean that all the way back to Split Enz. Neil and Nick...whatever you think of Nick, and however indefinable Nick's contribution may be, there's something about that combination that works. Always has, always will.
Kind of a sad thread. Relationships all have their ups and downs ... I'm content thinking about how much joy the band's music has brought me over the years and how much fun I've had at the concerts I've attended. Every member past and present has made a contribution to help make Crowded House what it is today. And after all these years (and all the life changes I've had since first discovering Crowded House in college), the fact that I'm counting down the days to when I get to see the band again (74!) says something in my book.
Wowee, pass the popcorn please! Talk about drama! I never knew this back story since I hardly read any interviews with CH 10 years ago and didn't even know at the time there were biographies written about the band.

I agree that relationships all have their ups and downs, but, like it or not, entertainers are in the public eye and issues like this do get scrutinized. Everyone's entitled to their opinion (I'll be the first to make that claim!), but this is in the past and I think we can all agree that CH would not be what it was or what it is without Nick -- or Tim's influence on the Woodface album.
I really can't see how this thread has become so volatile!

Tim did great things for the band by contributing to the Woodface album, but it's almost universally agreed among the members of Crowded House, that he didn't really fit into the live band, nor did he feel comfortable. It's not so much a slur on Tim, as a recognition that Tim is a very different, unique solo artist.

Secondly, as discussed on another thread a couple of months ago, Nick is a wonderful bass player with his own distinctive style - a real pro, and a crucial contributor to the character of the band. He's also a fine visual artist.

I agree with Caryn, most bands have tension and fallouts through the years. However, it's clear to me that there is very little animosity between the band members these days.

-Tom
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Originally posted by adidasman:
I mjst say, this anti-Nick fervor shocks me from this group. So what if Nick wasn't familiar with Tim's solo work? Just because Tim is Neil's brother, and Nick was in a band with Neil, does that make Nick obligated to know the Tim Finn discography? That's ridiculous. And, regardless of Nick's "average" bass playing, or his lack of songwriting skills, or his failure to make an attempt at a solo career, Neil seems to want to play with him. Isn't that enough? If you had a journalist asking you questions every third day, you'd probably come up with some pretty contradictory stuff, too, depending on your mood - and I bet you could find interviews where Neil says he's written two good songs, and the rest are garbage. Do you think he feels that way every day? Of course not. Lastly, Tim in CH was a huge, huge mistake; I've always though Neil did it because he felt guilty for being more successful than Tim. Yes, Tim co-wrote some great songs on "Woodface", but that didn't require him to go out on tour with them. (And, lest anyone misunderstand how things work, Nick Seymour got no royalties from the sales of "Weather With You" or "Four Seasons..", so you can axe that bit about Nick enjoying the fruits of Tim's labors.) Tim solo is fine; Tim with Neil is spotty at best, and I mean that all the way back to Split Enz. Neil and Nick...whatever you think of Nick, and however indefinable Nick's contribution may be, there's something about that combination that works. Always has, always will.


spot on mate - neil obviously thinks nicks a good musician - and for the record,i do too.

hey jeremy loder - you don't like nick much do you ! Confused Eeker Red Face and your'e supposed to be a crowded house fan ,and yet you would rather have bones hilman uncle tom cobley and all playing bass instead of nick.well i've got news for you buddy - nick has played bass on every crowdies album,so that makes him an integral part of ch.

i'm also a beatles fan and i hate it when people say crap like john was great paul was
rubbish and ringo contributed nothing.great bands are great because of the contributions of all their members - and crowded house are a GREAT band - get my point? Wink

jeez,ive waited ten years for this band to come back, and someone comes on slagging nick.ok , so he made a few negative comments about tim's stuff and the crowdies output once upon a long ago.as much as i love neil - i reckon nick had good reason to feel any bitterness that he may have felt at the time.have you never bitched about someone that you both love and respect before because you felt hard done by.you must be a better man than me,because i know i have.give nick a break Roll Eyes

hey the crowdies are back - neil,NICK,mark (and matt) - feel happy. Big Grin
Please someone make this topic go away! ADMIN you can do-it. This should be a happy time. We have or I have my favorite band back I thought that would never happen.I would like also to state I was drawn to Crowded house NOT the enz and I had limited knowledge of Tim Finn untill he joined Crowded House for that brief period of time. and one of the things my friend and I would comment about was how great and unique the bass playing was in crowded house and thats why back when they were first out nick was voted best bassist in a rolling stone poll. He is awesome in my book!!!

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