They're coming to my town

I hope the "FleetWood faced" gang have a great time in Birmingham, AL, and prompt our Mr. Finn to consider touring here in the future. We have a great restored Vaudeville house, the Lyric theatre, where Mr. Buckingham will be playing a gig later this year.

We also have some fine restaurants, including the Beard award winning best restaurant in USA, Highlands bar and grill.  I personally can't afford to dine there, but I'm sure the FM gang would enjoy the experience. And if they'd like other suggestions, they are free to PM me!  Tour-guide, at the ready!

I thought this might be an opportunity for some of us to suggest features of our burg for the road-weary band. I can't believe Neil will be in our humble community-  albeit beyond arm's reach of fans.

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I like Neil Fenn. Loved New Wave Spilt Enz and  Crowded House’s “Don’t Dream it’s Over” got me through the deaths of two loved ones of mine years after it was a hit.  

But most true Fleetwood Mac Fans aren’t thinking about Neil and Tom Pettys guitarist. They’re thinking about how ****ty the band treated Lindsey Buckingham.

About how awful they behaved towards one of their long running creative geniuses who was extremely loyal to John McGiebwhen John suffered from liver cancer and kept John from being replaced on tour.  About how Lindsey brought Christine back in the fold creatively, touring to support her and his great new music on their Buckingham McVie album. While Stevie refused to work with them and cashed in on a greatest hits tour with The Pretenders. Lindsey, who managed to keep Fleetwood Mac relevant for the past 20 years and prevented it from becoming a backing for a Stevie Nicks greatest hits tour. About how as fans that we  are happy that Stevie is finally being nominated into the RRHOF, but struggling with how cold she was when she kicked Lindsey out of the band because of her petty diva behavior.  That’s what Mac fans are thinking about.  No we do not want Lindsey to he replaced by anyone’.

Get Real posted:

I like Neil Fenn. Loved New Wave Spilt Enz and  Crowded House’s “Don’t Dream it’s Over” got me through the deaths of two loved ones of mine years after it was a hit.  

But most true Fleetwood Mac Fans aren’t thinking about Neil and Tom Pettys guitarist. They’re thinking about how ****ty the band treated Lindsey Buckingham.

About how awful they behaved towards one of their long running creative geniuses who was extremely loyal to John McGiebwhen John suffered from liver cancer and kept John from being replaced on tour.  About how Lindsey brought Christine back in the fold creatively, touring to support her and his great new music on their Buckingham McVie album. While Stevie refused to work with them and cashed in on a greatest hits tour with The Pretenders. Lindsey, who managed to keep Fleetwood Mac relevant for the past 20 years and prevented it from becoming a backing for a Stevie Nicks greatest hits tour. About how as fans that we  are happy that Stevie is finally being nominated into the RRHOF, but struggling with how cold she was when she kicked Lindsey out of the band because of her petty diva behavior.  That’s what Mac fans are thinking about.  No we do not want Lindsey to he replaced by anyone’.

Well that's one way to look at events from the Lindsey point of view.

Of course, there's always two sides to a story. The band side has been written about at length in terms of how Lindsey treated Stevie and the other band members over the years. Lindsey may have mellowed with age but his past behavior, if close to what's been documented, could easily justify firing him.

Moreover, Fleetwood Mac has a long history of lead figures before Lindsey. In fact, Fleetwood Mac has more studio albums without Lindsey than with him. Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, and Bob Welch all lead the band prior to Lindsey.

Obviously all the band members have heir issues and dysfunction but portraying Lindsey as the victim seems grossly inaccurate.

And portraying the band as solely a Lindsey creation is also grossly inaccurate given all the many non-Lindsey albums and the fact that Christine and Stevie wrote most of the band's signature songs. 

That all being said, this is very sad to see things come to this but I wish the new lineup and Lindsey the best of luck going forward. The positive way to look at this mess is that we have twice the concerts and perhaps a lot of more new studio material to enjoy. 

Stevie Nicks has denied being abused by Lindsey Buckingham and said then he only went after her after some ridiculous behavior in the 1980s where she attacked him first. So I agree, there are two sides to the story. Both are extremely eccentric personalities and presences - the whole group s for a mainstream elite classic rock band. 

Since Buckingham Nicks joined, its essentially been the 5 key players over the past 40 years.  When Buckingham left on his own in accord in the late 80s, he was replaced by Billy Burnette and Rick Vito (again, another instance that required two guitarist to replace Lindsey’s talent , vitality and stage presence ). These guys were likeable personable and assimilated well with the band. And Christine did admirably well leading the Mac on stage.

.Subsequent departures left Christine with Bekka Bramlett  and Dave Mason. Fans and critics were not pleased.  I enjoyed their shows, very talented, but this version was clearly a placeholder . When the Clintons brought the 5 main players  back (would have been great to include Bob Welch) it was a pop cultural generational event.  

But it feels different now.  They’re senior citizens who should work it out. Fans are older and tired of break-ups and divorces and pop culture bitchery.  Leave that to Mariah and Kanye please.  And I think their fans want credit given where it’s due, loyalty, and second chances - Lindsey was probably a jerk in the 80s but seemed to have calmed down somewhat and focused on the art that is Fleetwood Mac.

While I’m thrilled that recently women are being inducted into the RRHOF (happy for Stevie, hope Pat Benatar is next) it doesn’t take away how lousy she and the band treated Lindsey. Most fans are hoping given their ages, they’’ll do one more wth Lindsey.   If not, I hope he wins every cent in court. 

Get Real posted:

Stevie Nicks has denied being abused by Lindsey Buckingham and said then he only went after her after some ridiculous behavior in the 1980s where she attacked him first. So I agree, there are two sides to the story. Both are extremely eccentric personalities and presences - the whole group s for a mainstream elite classic rock band. 

Since Buckingham Nicks joined, its essentially been the 5 key players over the past 40 years.  When Buckingham left on his own in accord in the late 80s, he was replaced by Billy Burnette and Rick Vito (again, another instance that required two guitarist to replace Lindsey’s talent , vitality and stage presence ). These guys were likeable personable and assimilated well with the band. And Christine did admirably well leading the Mac on stage.

.Subsequent departures left Christine with Bekka Bramlett  and Dave Mason. Fans and critics were not pleased.  I enjoyed their shows, very talented, but this version was clearly a placeholder . When the Clintons brought the 5 main players  back (would have been great to include Bob Welch) it was a pop cultural generational event.  

But it feels different now.  They’re senior citizens who should work it out. Fans are older and tired of break-ups and divorces and pop culture bitchery.  Leave that to Mariah and Kanye please.  And I think their fans want credit given where it’s due, loyalty, and second chances - Lindsey was probably a jerk in the 80s but seemed to have calmed down somewhat and focused on the art that is Fleetwood Mac.

While I’m thrilled that recently women are being inducted into the RRHOF (happy for Stevie, hope Pat Benatar is next) it doesn’t take away how lousy she and the band treated Lindsey. Most fans are hoping given their ages, they’’ll do one more wth Lindsey.   If not, I hope he wins every cent in court. 

Have you read the book "Storms" by Carol Ann Harris?  Most who read that book see Lindsey differently.

A lot of victims of abuse later deny the abuse for various reasons so it's not surprising that Stevie denies it now. Christine has confirmed what happened and it's pretty bad stuff.

Stevie clearly has a lot of resentment towards Lindsey and I'm sure most of it comes from the way he treated her for all those years.

As far as the legal case, the band has a very strong case. Lindsey didn't have a written contract so he must prove that there was a mutually agreed upon oral contract. He would need emails and witnesses to prove that.

Lindsey was an employee of the Mick and John so they have the right to fire him for cause and his past actions appear to easily justify cause. Lindsey may not want this to go to court as some of his past actions will likely come out in court and that's not likely to be pretty for him. He may lose some fans when more folks hear what he did to Stevie and others.

It's going to be very difficult for him to prove loss of future income as all this press has helped his ticket sales if anything.

I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for someone who has treated people the way he has treated people over the years. And it's really sickening when the victimizer portrays himself as the victim as his legal team is trying to do now. 

Perhaps he's gotten his act together and healed his demons but that doesn't negate all his past behavior and the fallout from that behavior may be having other musicians not want to share the stage with him anymore. 

tensionwheels26 posted:

Love Birmingham! I've played the WorkPlay Soundstage, The Nick (a bunch of times) and Moonlight On The Mountain. A great city and I'm sure Neil will dig it there. 

I totally missed this post. I'd love to check out your act next time you're in the 'ham! I hope you'll let me know!

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