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I agree....That not everybody is going to like every song. I am sure if you look hard enough, you can find someone that hates each one of his songs.

I love "That's what I call love" What a strange pop song.. You can't categorize it. I am taken back that there is such a majority that hates it... I certainly do not.

But that's what makes music great..means so much to different people.
Worst songs for me:

I Got You - i have always thought it was a shallow and meaningless song. Also, I heard a lot about the song before I heard it, so my expectations were high and it let me down.

Missing Person - It starts so promising! but again, shallow and meaningless. I think the production may have a bit to do with it.

Paridise - again, starts promising, ends up v. disapointing and plain

Last One Standing - IMO, the worst song on TWT... very bland and dull.

When You Come - actually, i am split... When You Come is absolutely amazing live, really uplifting. However, the studio version doesn't capture that atmosphere and it really does disapoint me. It's a track i often skip when listening to Temple of Low men.

World Where You Live - Never liked it, until i heard it on Farewell To The World, but again - the studio version really doesn't appeal to me.

I am sure there are more, but on the other side of things, i quite like Thats What I Call Love, but i can understand why people dont like it - it's not a typical CH song.

I am surprised Truth came in for some criticism - i love that song. I admit it takes time to get going, but when it gets to the chorus, it's great.

And Sinner - which relies a lot on the production, i think is a very clever song - i like it.

Finally, i am very surprised that people criticised Love You Til The Day I Die... that's one of my favourites!! Well, the live version is fantastic

Martin
Turtle, I was so shocked to see someone mention Whispers & Moans as a "bad" song. I totally understand if you're talking about the lackluster Woodface version, but I think Neil immediately realized his mistakes in the arrangement. That song is IMO the very best live song by CH. The harmonies in the chorus are always good, but it's the the last part ("we are the mirrors...") that really gives me chills. Considering how often they played it, it must've been one of the band's favorites (along with In My Command and LYTTDID).

'Missing Person' is a classic, it's better than 'I Got You' which is let down by crap lyrics.  Ships is Just a song but it is harmless and I have an affinity with the sound of that era.  You have to look at more contemporary material to find the really poor stuff as virtually all songwriters go stale as they lose the 'mojo' of youth. However, it's not the melodies that have gone off, it's everything else. 'Elephants' is pretty awful.

Anyone Can Tell from Afterglow is pretty mediocre.

 

But I am also shocked at the mention of Whispers and Moans...I love the album version and do not consider it lackluster. The moment the guitar solo starts (after "wounded beast...") through the end of the chorus ("here you come to carry me home...") is some of the most beautiful recorded pop music ever in my opinion.

 

I've always enjoyed Kill Eye too. I love the Beatles-esque panning of the drums to hard left, bass to hard right. I love the acerbic *THWACK* of Paul's snare drum. I love the descending chromatic chords, and the disturbing imagery of "I want the earth to open up and hold me". And I love the sardonic, illustrative snare drum hits after "shoot your way out of the bank." It's probably Neil's most ripping vocal, verging on the territory of John Lennon on Twist and Shout. I never understood why the song gets slammed. I like Mansion in the Slums too, but if I had to choose a weak track on Temple, it would be that one..

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Originally Posted by Welsh Dan:

I love Pajama Club!

 

I have never understood why some people on this forum have such a hate-on for the Pajama Club CD.  My feeling is that the people that hate it probably listened to it with too high expectations.  For me, I had low expectations for this CD and ended up be pleasantly surprised that it was so much better than I had expected. Don't listen to it expecting CH type stuff since it was never intended to sound that way.  It may not be Neil's best work in his career but I actually enjoyed it more than some new stuff by some other artists.

I love the Pajama Party album. For me its one of Neils best albums. But I can see it is a really dividing album. Its in the Twisty bass, Elastic heart, Transit lounge part of Neils catalogue. I like the edgy part of Neils catalogue more than the other parts. Rather have a solo or Neil album than a Crowded House album. 

 

My nomination goes to Can't carry on.

I know some will be irked by this viewpoint no matter how I word it, but a lot of the negativity toward Pajama Club had a ring of "that dag-nabbin' e-lec-tromatic rubbish those kids like for God knows what reason". In other words, a lot of the critics (on this forum) sounded like old farts who couldn't wrap their heads around it and were not willing to expand their horizons a little. The irony is, Neil was not doing anything that hasn't been done by a gazillion synth bands ages ago, in fact if anything he was being retro. Also ironic is the fact that a significant chunk of the album (Diamonds, TNT, Daylight, etc) is in the same Anglo-pop territory he's always in. It's not an album I love, but there's nothing wrong with it and some songs I do like a lot. I DO think "Tell Me What You Want", the fact that it exists and especially that it was released as the first single, were what sunk the album's chances commercially...

Originally Posted by Shadowman:

I love the Pajama Party album. For me its one of Neils best albums. But I can see it is a really dividing album. Its in the Twisty bass, Elastic heart, Transit lounge part of Neils catalogue. I like the edgy part of Neils catalogue more than the other parts. Rather have a solo or Neil album than a Crowded House album. 

 

My nomination goes to Can't carry on.

 

not Cant Carry On

 

Also I havent been lucky (or to some unlucky) to listen to the pajama club but i mean- it neil right? how can it be BAD 

Ok, I will redraw "can't carry on". If I think about this threads subject as "what song should not exist" I can think of no songs. Even "Can't carry on" gets a spin every now and then. 

If the topic would be "what is the last song of Neil you would send to a friend", than it would be Can't carry on :-)

 

Tim does have a couple of songs in the first category: like are we one or are we two.

I vetoed PC because i didn't like the last Crowded House album and I was scared it would have too much of Sharon's vocals on it, compound that with the fact that I subsequently learnt of the use of the F-word which seems to be a common theme with ageing rock stars. It's like a misguided attempt to stay relevant. Anyway, it seems strange to think that fans should suddenly embrace certain styles just because one of their supposed favourites chose to record music in that style. It seems a bit much to single out one portion of the CH fan base (of all things) as being less 'hip' than another. Why don't I just accuse the rest of this forum of lacking a sense of mystery and awe in not wondering why Neil and Co. have never made a psychedelic album, it's all relative.

Don't get me started on the F-word again.  This is not about an "ageing rockstar" in  a "a misguided attempt to stay relevant".   Oh, and I guess FSIOD, written years before the PC song, was just Neil attempting to be "hip" and "relevant".   If you have EVER seen Neil in an interview or live in concert, you would know that he swears.  That's just the way he is.  This isn't Neil trying to be anything he isn't.  Thankfully Neil doesn't swear nearly as much as some other artists. If you want to complain about artists swearing, then look to almost any RAP artist.  Now there is a bunch of people who swear for no other reason other than to create publicity for themselves.

Least favourite songs (I will most likely have people wanting to punch me)

I would say that Fall At Your Feet just never hit me unlike some (which everyone seems to say are his worst) the intro is pretty good and the verse is aswell but as soon as it gets to "Let it go" it just loses me.

Locked Out wouldnt be a favourite, yes sometimes I'll listen to it (but probably because Im not screwed enough to change it) 

Try Whistling This isnt as strong a song that Neils capable and takes forever to get into which by that time Im bored of it.

Dont get me wrong, I like all these songs but i would have many more i would listen to instead.

Good point. I would imagine there are other songs which have been written, but have not been released because of Mr. Finn's high regard for quality. 

 

TOE does kind of muddle on towards the end, I suppose.  But by the time people are like suns comes along, it's a little like daybreak after staying up the night.  

It's REALLY hard for me to think of only a small few. I love 'Last One Standing', I love pretty much all of TOE, love 'Twice If You're Lucky', 'Loose Tongue'. Great tunes, and I do like all those versions.

 

Let's see...I guess for me I'd have to say, 'Dr. Livingstone', 'Black And White Boy', 'Tall Trees', 'Chocolate Cake' and 'Fame Is'. Not crazy about any of those. That's about it.

Originally Posted by Recurring Dreamer:

It's REALLY hard for me to think of only a small few. I love 'Last One Standing', I love pretty much all of TOE, love 'Twice If You're Lucky', 'Loose Tongue'. Great tunes, and I do like all those versions.

 

Let's see...I guess for me I'd have to say, 'Dr. Livingstone', 'Black And White Boy', 'Tall Trees', 'Chocolate Cake' and 'Fame Is'. Not crazy about any of those. That's about it.

 

Funny, I would flip from the above choices (except for "Fame Is" -- I think that's the only song I didn't put into iTunes.

 

But I write also in defense of Dr. Livingston, which I think has one of the most clever lyrics Neil wrote, and possibly in all of pop music.  Which part, you ask?  This:

 

I hear the drums
I know it's urgent
I hear survival in his hands
Switch to record
I get the picture
But I will never understand
 
Absolutely brilliant (and probably overlooked by many people.
Originally Posted by Steve Mac:

 Funny, I would flip from the above choices (except for "Fame Is" -- I think that's the only song I didn't put into iTunes.

 

But I write also in defense of Dr. Livingston, which I think has one of the most clever lyrics Neil wrote, and possibly in all of pop music.  Which part, you ask?  This:

 

I hear the drums
I know it's urgent
I hear survival in his hands
Switch to record
I get the picture
But I will never understand
 
Absolutely brilliant (and probably overlooked by many people.

'Dr. Livingston' is a nice enough song, and the lyrics are pretty good. I am just not wild about the melody or...something. Dunno what it is, quite.

 

Still, it's not a bad song. Hell, I don't think Neil ever wrote a bad song. Just some pretty good ones I don't like nearly as much as some amazing ones.

Okay, vicious Tim fan here, with claws at the ready...MEOW!!! Sorry, just had to write that. I have read right thru this thread and I pretty much like all of Neil's songs that have been dissed. Some I haven't heard yet, as I don't own TOLM or One Nil. "I Got You", love it! I think the melody of the verse reflects beautifully the "maybe yes, maybe no" quandary of a relationship. I like the original with the keyboard break better than the live version with the guitar break, I'm a bit of a sucker for 80s synth pop. "Ships" was actually the 1st Enz song I ever downloaded (illegally, very naughty!) I wouldn't have a clue what it's about, but I still love it. Neil seems to like the cryptic lyrics and that is probably the reason why his songs don't touch me in the same way that Tim's do. Tim wears his heart on his sleeve and makes me bawl my eyes out. The only Neil song I've ever cried over is "Heaven That I'm Making".I was fresh off the plane from New Zealand for the 1st time, I'd been crying all the way home, because I didn't want to leave, I go, see the Crowdies that night (small consolation), Neil introduced the song, the words were pretty spot-on, describing what I was feeling and I cracked.

"Something So Strong", I have gone off ever since I heard Neil's original version. IMO, Mitchell Froom should have kept his money-grubbing paws off it. It probably wouldn't have been such a big hit, but is that the be all and end all?

Having said all that, I really can't think of a Neil song that I dislike. I totally agree about "Are We One....", pile of noise! In fact there are a couple other songs off Big Canoe that I won't die if I never hear again, but I have never caught a plane to see a Neil gig (if flying home from NZ, when I really didn't want to doesn't count), compared to the countless hours I have spent in the air and on the road for Tim.

And no, I do not have a tattoo of Neil lower down and HA HA HA to anyone who's asked me that question! You should see the look on their faces when I say, "Yes, I'll show you" and pretend I'm about to lift my dress.

PS: And I will defend "I'm Still Here", it's a fun song, have a laugh for crying out! You've just heard the divine harmonies of "How Will You Go", which poeticly describes the psyche of someone who's been hitting the bottle, you think the album's over, when all of a sudden there's this noise...and you think, can this really be the same band? If you've ever had the misfortune of meeting someone who's dead drunk or drug-f___ed and cruising for sex, it is there to be made fun of! That song will always make me smile.

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I like 'I'm Still Here'. I think it would be neat if CH on their next album puts a funny little number like that as a hidden track at the end.

 

I'll always say that even if there are a very small few Neil songs I'm not crazy about, I still like them an awful lot and something like 'Chocolate Cake' or whatever would be grade-A material for almost any other songwriter. I guess I put Neil up on the highest pedestal as a songwriter, and that's because he churns out wonders such as 'Distant Sun', 'Better Be Home Soon', 'Something So Strong', 'Private Universe', 'Nails in my Feet', 'Last To Know', 'She Will Have Her Way', 'Last One Standing', 'Instinct', 'She Goes On', 'Twice if You're Lucky' and many, many more stunners like this, some of the best songs I've ever heard by anybody in the history of ever.

The worst of Neil Finn now available for download 

 

I'd go from the Enz: Best Friend, Our Day and Bullet Brain... sheer throwaway!  Not a favourite Conflicting Emotions.

 

From Crowded House: Kill Eye, In My Command and Saturday Sun.

 

Finn Brothers: Bullets In My Hairdo.

 

Solo: Song of the Lonely Mountain (OK he did his best... but it was a commision)

 

Pajama Club: Go Kart - The Game We Love To Play

Did somebody dis "In My Command"? Tch tch tch!

I love "Best Friend", though like most of Luton, it has a tendency to get stuck in one's brain. Whenever I've played the album for a friend (or Escapade for that matter) it is with the words, "Now I'm warning you, come this time tomorrow, these tunes will be stuck in your brain space!" Now there will be absolutely no dissing Escapade, this is not the place!

"Our Day" IMO has some of the most beautiful, heart felt lyrics Neil has ever written. I read the lyrics before I listened to the album and I'm like, "Slow down, I can't hear what you're singing! No! You're blowing it!"

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