The Ledge - The Fleetwood Mac Forum

SouthernCross posted:

Hi everyone, new here. I'm a member of that forum (not a mod), so wondering if I might be able to help with something? PM me if you want.

Things there are kinda sensitive right now, which is understandable. Some are interested in Neil Finn but feel confused about his role atm. The forum has sections for the FM era before Nicks and Buckingham joined, a section for the 'Rumours' lineup, and another for the 'post-Rumours' era when Lindsey wasn't with the group for awhile and they got Rick Vito and Billy Burnette to replace him.

There are also some sections for individual group members. But at this time there's really no specific place for Neil Finn and Mike Campbell. Perhaps if they stick around for a time they will eventually be given their own section, but I saw one of the mods say there could be technical issues with doing that. I guess we just have to wait and see.

(I'm obviously a fan of Fleetwood Mac - I saw them live in 2004 and 2015. But I've probably been listening to Neil Finn for longer and think he's one of the best songwriters of all time from Australasia/NZ.)

I've checked out The Ledge fan forum and tried to join but the registration process doesn't work.  Please let us know when/if the moderator gets the system working again.

Southern Cross posted:

Hi everyone, new here. I'm a member of that forum (not a mod), so wondering if I might be able to help with something? PM me if you want.

Things there are kinda sensitive right now, which is understandable. Some are interested in Neil Finn but feel confused about his role atm. The forum has sections for the FM era before Nicks and Buckingham joined, a section for the 'Rumours' lineup, and another for the 'post-Rumours' era when Lindsey wasn't with the group for awhile and they got Rick Vito and Billy Burnette to replace him.

There are also some sections for individual group members. But at this time there's really no specific place for Neil Finn and Mike Campbell. Perhaps if they stick around for a time they will eventually be given their own section, but I saw one of the mods say there could be technical issues with doing that. I guess we just have to wait and see.

(I'm obviously a fan of Fleetwood Mac - I saw them live in 2004 and 2015. But I've probably been listening to Neil Finn for longer and think he's one of the best songwriters of all time from Australasia/NZ.)

Welcome Southern Cross.  I can totally understand the confusion for those longtime fans. I think it is sad the way it happened and so suddenly ((it would seem to fans although the negotiation was going on for a while going based on the way they got the tickets/promo out so quickly)) . Then to have the replacements ushered in so quickly after the news (again not being able to see what was happening behind the scenes)).. I am sure it might be a while before it all sinks in.  I am not a great fan of FM but am aware of their legend status in the US.  To me Neil accepting the new gig was a surprise but not that surprising as it is something I could imagine him doing. 

Southern Cross posted:

Don't know if I should but I'm just gonna say it. If it gets back to them and I get banned I don't really care! But the Ledge is not a friendly forum, there are a number of trolls in main section whose sole purpose being there seems to be bashing particular members of the music group, being very negative etc. It's been that way for a long time and some of them are rarely offline. Quite sad really but that's their lives.

I'm still a member after 3 years, so I'm used to it, but I'm not a big participant. I think a lot of people just get fed up and stop visiting. (I took a long break but evidently, nothing much has changed.)

Any sort of abuse of the band and its members is allowed. I've seen similar comments on a big message board that is one of the 'b*tchiest' around (a title they don't mind wearing). They're not even a FM fan board. But they deleted many comments last month that were very similar to those that get a pass on the Ledge forum, for being 'viral propaganda'!

But there are some good people there and the trolls tend to stick to the main section where they get more attention. I tend to stick with the sub forums, such as the 'Post-Rumours' one. For now anyway. I may have to look for something better...

After a couple of weeks on The Ledge, I sadly agree. There is one person there, in particular, who is basically a bully going around using profanities against the band members and others on the forum. It is really sad that the moderators allow this sort of behavior because it keeps good people off the site.

Southern Cross posted:

My last comment on the matter - I think it's time for me to leave that forum permanently. Have found a group on FB to follow this new chapter of the band's history. Gl to anyone else.

To be clear - it is perhaps best to be careful in choosing which 'Fleetwood Mac' message board or group to follow, with the new lineup. I didn't realise at first but the main mod of the Ledge forum is explicity opposed to the change, is very angry at Mick Fleetwood right now, and has openly said so. 

Of course there are understandable upset feelings, but I don't view that as being reasonable excuse for some of the rude and disrespectful behaviour, character assassination around in general etc. As I've said however it's nothing new and has been going on for so many years it's now very tired and ad nauseum. Personally, it's not for me.

LB will remain perhaps my favourite guitar player of all time but my feelings about him otherwise are so mixed. Over time I've just learned to accept that some of our favourite artists will have their faults and shortcomings as human beings. I won't always defend LB however after some of what I now know about him and has been well documented. Really, it's amazing they lasted as long as they did together.

A lot more I could say but I won't stoop to that level. I kind of wish there would be more clarification on some things but that's for the band to deal with. I better leave it there now. Next step for me is awaiting some of the actual results of this new collaboration. Then I decide how I feel.

I completely understand.  Which FB Facebook page are you liking?

This Facebook group might be the best option for fans of the new Fleetwood Mac incarnation. I've posted a couple of things there so far and haven't been shot down.

The main admin is somewhat of a nazi, in the sense that he doesn't appear to allow any criticism of the new line-up, but that may be what some Neil Finn fans are after.

I did up a photo collage a couple of years ago for Neil's 58th birthday, and decided to share it to this new Fleetwood Mac group on Neil's 60th birthday a couple of days ago. It got a couple of positive comments and likes, so all is well so far.

Hope this helps!

Southern Cross posted:
Sugar Mouse posted:

I completely understand.  Which FB Facebook page are you liking?

You may not be interested in it - it's a closed Stevie Nicks group and really focused on her. (She's my personal favourite!)

The admin of the group is not allowing any abuse between members or at any people in the band current or past. That includes Lindsey - and I'm quite happy with that. There are some Neil Finn/Split Enz fans there but not much being said atm. I think folks are just waiting to see what the group may do together.

I probably should've made a switch like this sooner but am thinking at least some of the more open minded people where I've been have had some introduction to Neil and perhaps more idea where to start with him.

May I ask which Stevie Facebook page it is in case i want to check it out?

Southern Cross posted:

@Sugar Mouse it's really only likely to appeal to a Nick's crazy like me. It's 99% Stevie and I'm not going to bring up subject of new lineup there until things get more underway. What @Secret God (Stew) posted is probably better as recommendation of a 'safe' community for those interested. I've sent them a join request.

But I'll PM you. (In the middle of things right now but will get back to you a bit later.)

Sounds good.  I'm still betting that Neil and Mike have a calming influence on the situation (at least internally in the band) and they steady the ship.

Wow, what a joke The Ledge is.
 


The year is 2018 and they do not allow "free" email accounts to be used when signing up. Looks like the Gmail address I've had since 2004 doesn't suffice...

Sugar Mouse, on a related note I'm reading through the forum now, and appreciate all the posts you've made introducing them to who Neil is. Seems like they appreciate it too.

And on an unrelated note, I've been listening to Danny Kirwan's solo material. His first solo album, Second Chapter, has absolutely blown me away. I honestly never imagined I would ever hear such an amazing album and wonder just how many people are aware of it.

Southern Cross, no probs, hope you enjoy that group!

Sugar Mouse posted:
Sounds good.  I'm still betting that Neil and Mike have a calming influence on the situation (at least internally in the band) and they steady the ship.

I've heard the bringing in Billy Preston to the Beatles really helped mend their spirits. I totally agree with what you're saying.

Secret God (Stew) posted:

Wow, what a joke The Ledge is.
 


The year is 2018 and they do not allow "free" email accounts to be used when signing up. Looks like the Gmail address I've had since 2004 doesn't suffice...

Sugar Mouse, on a related note I'm reading through the forum now, and appreciate all the posts you've made introducing them to who Neil is. Seems like they appreciate it too.

And on an unrelated note, I've been listening to Danny Kirwan's solo material. His first solo album, Second Chapter, has absolutely blown me away. I honestly never imagined I would ever hear such an amazing album and wonder just how many people are aware of it.

Southern Cross, no probs, hope you enjoy that group!

Very cool about Danny Kirwan.  He was sort of a young Neil Finn in his day. 

As far as The Ledge Fleetwood Mac form, it's quite a situation there. I've spent the last week over there defending Neil and the new lineup and basically been told that Stevie Nicks is responsible for firing Lindsey for no reason. They honestly believe that this was a Stevie Nicks plan to get Lindsey out (the man who is the primary reason they've been so successful) and bring in Mike and Neil.  It's like being in an alternative universe over there.  The name-calling and vitriol is beyond belief.

Yeah to be honest I'd advise everyone to stay away. That's no way to run a forum. I'm happy happy enough for fans to be pro-Lindsey all they like, but for the admins to disallow web-based email accounts... that's just ridiculous. I mean who the **** would feel comfortable using their school, uni or work email address to sign up to a freaking Fleetwood Mac forum? If they are even assigned one in the first place...

Southern Cross posted:
Secret God (Stew) posted:

Yeah to be honest I'd advise everyone to stay away. That's no way to run a forum. I'm happy happy enough for fans to be pro-Lindsey all they like, but for the admins to disallow web-based email accounts... that's just ridiculous. I mean who the **** would feel comfortable using their school, uni or work email address to sign up to a freaking Fleetwood Mac forum? If they are even assigned one in the first place...

I regard myself as neutral about Mick, but I remain a fan of the band and support them with or without Lindsey. People have right to opinion but as a general fan of the group I'm not happy to see any of the band members being called crude, abusive names - whoever they are.

The FM fan community has been divided for quite awhile now though - Neil is correct in this interview https://www.frenzforum.com/top...w-in-variety-article, he's not really being targetted. It's being directed at Stevie and Mick, and is prompted by issues that have been going on for awhile.

But Stevie has enough following to get through this, and I'm glad it sounds like Neil is coping okay. I thought he would, because I think he's made of quite strong stuff

Agreed.  Neil can handle the Lindsey fan backlash but the experience may not be as enjoyable as it should be for him. 

I think it's very sad to see how people on the Fleetwood Mac forums have reacted. OK, I can see how people would be disappointed by the band (effectively) splitting. 

However, I don't think that such disappointment justifies what appears to me to be naked hate towards the members of the band. Reading The Ledge, you'd think that thee remaining members of Fleetwood Mac are the most evil people on this planet, who only exist to stymie the heroic Lindsay Buckingham.

I'm simply not going to pay Fleetwood Mac ticket prices for a concert, but I hope very much that we get a live DVD to buy. 

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