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Originally posted by Flicker:
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Originally posted by playitstrange:
Put a neutral person in charge of all things PJ? Get someone who has never heard of him or the Enz!


Uh, why would such a person have any interest in moderating a Judd/Enz messageboard? Is Deb supposed to pay this hypothetical ignoramus a salary or something?


That was a comment not to be taken so literally. Naturally, it would be a person who is involved somewhat. Again, I find it unfair that someone who already harbours ill thoughts toward the subject, whether it be PJ or Jesus can be in charge of moderating that particular part of the forum. It's not really that hard to get your head around.
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Originally posted by Eudoxia:
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OPB playitstrange:

READ EVERYTHING before leaving a reply, please.


I read EVERYTHING on this thread, so please, let me reply to a couple of things...

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(idem) And why can't you answer my questions?!?!


She did answer. But it happens replies swap places because of GMT (I don't know where you're posting from), so I want to believe this is what happened and you too read everything.

Yes, she did answer, in a very roundabout way. But in the end, she did say that she wouldn't question Peter if he were the seller. Basically saying BECAUSE it was Phil Judd, she raised alarm. If it were someone else, she wouldn't have. Accusations of forgery are here say, especially coming from someone who also clearly holds a grudge against PJ.

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(idem) Again, I am just stating fact. And calling out out on your biased mindset re: PJ.


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(idem) I can bet everything I own on that the thread would've been taken down quicker than a whore's drawers. Which leads me into thinking, you have kept this open so people could come on here and slag off PJ. Why? Because you don't like him.


Sorry, confused again, the "fact" is that you're so sure of something you could bet on that. The fact that you're so sure (isn't that an opinion???) brings you to the conclusion it's true, and serves as a proof that you're right.
Your logic is very different from mine...

Yes, that is an instance where I have used my personal opinion to convey my sentiments.

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(idem) Hark back to Sept '09 when the thread regarding the article in the Herald Sun was started. You let it go on and on and on, leaving PJ defenceless, and allowing the pot to be stirred.


I'll go and take a look about this "Sept 2009" thing, because I don't have the time to read all old PJ threads just now, but if it has even little to do with something I heard in the past... well, I don't want to speak about something I don't know or I'm not sure. I'll document myself.

That thread in question is from when the Herald Sun printed the story on Phil and a topic opened, which the moderators allowed to stay open and brew itself into basically a witch hunt, bearing in mind, had PJ been allowed on the forum to defend himself, alot of heartache and reputation damage could've been avoided. One interesting fact, after reading up on the events post Sept 2009, was the thread was closed shortly AFTER PJ was acquitted of the alleged crimes. Thus not allowing fans to then resolve the discussion. The acquittal went more or less unnoticed due to the closure of the thread. The frenzforum is the "springboard" to all things Split Enz, and I think it was very unfair no more could've been posted regarding the acquittal.

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I looked o the door...it says Texas Rose is Moderator for this group. Ummm, wheres Texas Rose ?

Deb isnt even the moderator for the PJ thread, that moderator is someone I dont think Ive ever read a post from. Very Weird.. Like ghost moderators. They are feceless people hehehehehe like those Gillard talks about.

Thread link playitstrange posted was just a random, there are others where his point wouldve probably have been made a little clearer.

Peter, why is it that the moderators never really do there job here ? If theyre supposed to do it why is it that Deb has to front for them. You should expand the moderator list to alleviate her from this. She needs to enjoy her car rides in the sun and sipping cool drinks with a breeze in her hair.
Firstly, can I just say that I checked the ebay link here the other day when the only post was the topic opener and even I thought some of those sigs were forged. Please note: This was BEFORE finding out who the seller could have been. Did not know anything about Phil Judd selling the item until tonight.

Secondly, I find it almost laughable that the old ball game has reared its head yet again simply because of something that came across as negative against Phil Judd. Roll Eyes Why is it always the same small select group of Judd followers who seem to deliberately cause the most trouble simply because Judd himself chose to behave in a manner that resulted in his banning from this place?

This is merely an observation here but it was mentioned somewhere in this very topic that the PJ forum is ruled with a bias "iron fist"? Well, perhaps that might change if those same select group of Judd followers ceased breaching the board rules. It always seems to be them breaking the rules here more than most. (PS: Not ALL PJ fans fall into the catagory of those select few. Smiler)
I quite like this forum. I don't have an opinion on Phil Judd or Deb - but I've been here long enough to know that this forum is an awesome community that is moderately in a very appropriate way. The only threads I've ever seen banned or moved were threads that totally deserved it. Plus, there's the Wanted To Say section where you can say anything that you like!

We're all fans of the same music here. No reason we should need more frequent moderation or more active moderators.

Deb did right to alert people that the signatures might be fake. That's important information for anyone who might be thinking of spending hundreds of dollars on eBay. I've seen others make the same statement about other signed items on ebay. The problem is that some people in this thread decided that it was a personal attack on Phil Judd - which it clearly was not.

If Phil Judd fans came here to talk about Phil's music we'd all have a great time. But instead they come here to spread anger and hate. I don't really know where that anger and hate comes from, but I think they should probably let it go.
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OPB playitstrange:

Yes, she did answer, in a very roundabout way. But in the end, she did say that she wouldn't question Peter if he were the seller.


You asked her to answer, uhm, how many times? Four? but in the end all you wanted weren't answers, just to point at a (supposed) disparity of treatment.

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(idem) Accusations of forgery are here say


I guess it was specified before it wasn't an accusation, just a warning.

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(idem) Yes, that is an instance where I have used my personal opinion to convey my sentiments


Free to convey your sentiments, but you called them facts. And are using them as "proofs" in what compare to a trial to Deb...

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(idem) I wrote a simple comment. Then someone accused me of being somebody else. And the topic was closed. I didn't even have the chance to respond!

Do you realize how frustrating that was?!?!


Aren't you happy you wasn't the reason for closing the thread? Or is it what disturbs you? Wink

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OPB captncrunch:

I looked o the door...it says Texas Rose is Moderator for this group. Ummm, wheres Texas Rose ?

Deb isnt even the moderator for the PJ thread, that moderator is someone I dont think Ive ever read a post from. Very Weird.. Like ghost moderators. They are feceless people hehehehehe like those Gillard talks about.

Thread link playitstrange posted was just a random, there are others where his point wouldve probably have been made a little clearer.


You know, sometimes I have the feeling this thread is a massive joke and I'm the only one not getting it... Wink

If you didn't ever read a post from Texas Rose you don't come in the Forum so often... or not read all. I read many posts, I even know about surgery...

Be more careful, please

And before choosing, please, you should check... otherwise it all seems... approximative? Plainly wrong?

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Originally posted by Captncrunch:
Deb isnt even the moderator for the PJ thread, that moderator is someone I dont think Ive ever read a post from. Very Weird.. Like ghost moderators. They are feceless people hehehehehe like those Gillard talks about.


Feceless people? Is that people with constipation? Smiler

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Peter, why is it that the moderators never really do their job here ? If they're supposed to do it why is it that Deb has to front for them. You should expand the moderator list to alleviate her from this. She needs to enjoy her car rides in the sun and sipping cool drinks with a breeze in her hair.


Uh, you do realize that although Peter manages the Fan Club he isn't a moderator or site admin, he doesn't own or operate this messageboard, and he isn't responsible for appointing moderators? The web site is paid for and run by Deb.
I think the other point that some people miss is that FrenzCom is Debs. She started it, she set out the rules. It's her baby I contribute if I can with information.

It's not owned by the band, she's not paid by the band, it's not owned by the club or myself.
It's Deb's.

"Crunch"-why should "I" expand the moderator list it's not my forum?! Correctly pointed out by Flicker. It's like asking Lisa Marie to add an extra 3 roadies to the Beatles reunion tour!

I don't think Deb has a hard time being professional around Phil Judd related stuff. I do think a handful of Phil Judd fans do have a hard time accepting that there are indeed rules etc. (opps). Some rules we've probably all broken at times but I doubt any have been targeted simple because it's Judd related. If you can't abide by them go elsewhere I guess or email Deb privately and ask why they exist.

Deb also was correct in not calling me up if I was a seller as she KNOWS I have NEVER (not once) sold on Ebay. So her answer was correct.
She commented on the possible fake signatures because fans said some were suss. I agree some do look fake. (refer to other post).

Plus you are wrong, there have been several previous fake looking autographs brought to our attention & Deb or myself (depending who spotted them) have checked them out, at fans request (the exact same thing with this one..keep in mind I had no idea it was Judd trying to flog it for some ca$h)). None previously were sold by Phil Judd. Though i do remember an early Enz "autographed" poster he was trying to sell and I think that might of been pulled from Ebay at the time (is my memory correct about that? Apology's if it's not..think it was).

We DO support FrenzCom by actively trying to post information. Donate to any auctions if we have anything spare (and after recent charity stuff sadly not a lot). A small percentage of my diary book sales I give to Frenz Com but that is from ME not the band. I'd like to think it helps cover some of the cost of my diary being on line.

And thanks Painaporo you said it in a far more articulate way then I did (:

I've got no more waffle left... and part of the reason I said feel free to email was simply because the thread was starting to move into some other topic/twilight zone and I didn't want to add to it with more rambling.
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Originally posted by gryphon:
I think the other point that some people miss is that FrenzCom is Debs. She started it, she set out the rules. It's her baby I contribute if I can with information.

It's not owned by the band, she's not paid by the band, it's not owned by the club or myself.
It's Deb's.


Wow I never knew this!

Thanks Deb Smiler, Thanks for setting up such a great virtual space where we Frenz can come and share our passion for the music, it is truly appreciated. Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler Smiler

This is my online home, it's the first site I turn to when I switch on, I've been all over the site since I've been using it and I've seen evidence of effective and fair moderation throughout, thanks for making this a safe and fun place to be come. Smiler
I think the fact that FrenzCom has lasted this long and continues to gain new members every week says something too.
Because I'm so use to Deb being in the 'background" I do take it for granted sometimes so consider this a long over due thank you from me too.
I can honestly say I get emails EVERY day and a big % of them come about from people reading related Posts here.
Deb, it's off-topic and I don't even know if you'll read this, but I'm seconding Kittybear's sentiments -- thank you so much for providing us fans with this wonderful site. You are simply the bomb.

I don't have an opinion one way or the other about PJudd, beyond feeling compassion for his mental health issues, or any history between him and Deb. I must say, though, as a fairly long-term reader of this site, that IMO his ardent fans seem to exhibit a weird hypersensitivity about anything they perceive as even slightly slagging him. Why I don't know. I do know I generally try to avoid their posts due to the rampant negativity usually found therein.
I agree that this site is well maintained. I enjoy reading through some of the posts but when it starts to get off topic & personal I tend to turn off. But I can understand what others may be saying about Deb as that is the way they have interpreted things that are written but I can also understand Deb wanting to warn about fake signatures even though it is P.Judd that she is talking about. I too saw through it as maybe throwing another punch but I don't think a major argument on the issue of Phil Judd is needed as it all goes off topic again.

Only those who have had close contact with Phil Judd can comment on what he is like in general (what they have seen him do & heard what he has said to them directly). So I think it is best left alone as I'm sure those very same people don't think about him too much these days so why bother drag it all up for another all in brawl

Phil Judd & his bad moments is old news. Phil judd Solo & Split Enz & Swingers & Schnell Fenster is what we are interested in even though some might class him as a total idiot.

As for the signatures on the book, I thought that some were a little odd compared to what I am used to looking at so thanks Deb for giving us the heads up.
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