Split Enz Reunion - minus Phil Judd

I know it's the 'True Colours' line-up, and the line-up from their commercial peak blah blah... but the fact is, Phil was the reason Split Enz began... and he wasn't even asked to join the tour. I have it from a good source that he wasn't even aware it was going ahead.

Thought all you true fans could sound off over how sorry it is that this brilliant man was overlooked... again.
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That's a shame. I was hoping for an Aria Hall of Fame line up. Oh well. Early days yet, who knows what is yet to unfold.
How is Phil about playing live these days?
I thought he was sworn off playing live for life!
Still, miracles do happen. Smiler



Sounding off now. Cool
I'm hoping they might bring out Phil as an unanounnced guest appearance - You know something during the middle of the set or in the encores.

Thus with it being a surprise, no pressure for Phil... and a nice little extra for everyone.

Should I float the question... will this be the last Enz reunion?

They are starting to get on in years (though the likes of the Rolling stones are still kicking), is this the last time we will see the Enz together?
I do agree with you, Pinky, how very, very sad it is. I really hoped Phil would be a part of it especially seeing that it will probably be the last time it happens, but to tell you the truth, I sorta guessed that Phil wouldn't be asked to be a part of it. I just had a feeling.
I think the saddest part of the arguments is not so much that recognition is not given to Phil (although he certainly deserves it). I think it's sad these men who apparently at one stage in their lives were the closest, best friends who shared dreams and passions and visions for their music and their futures, somehow lost it all and can never seem or don't want to get it back. I've never been privy to any reasons for the arguments over the years between Phil and Tim or Phil and the Finns, or whatever, (other than when they've chosen to sound off at each other) so I've just never bothered with it. I enjoy the best of them both and always just quietly hoped that they'd work together again. Sadly, though, it appears now that will never be the case. Frowner
It is great that This line up of split Enz will tour. They had all the hits. I know that if Paul Hester was still alive he would be playing drums on this tour not Mel Green. Most people only no this line up of the Enz. I am happy with this line up. It is a SAhame that I will be back in the Uk in March I think.
I think in the back of Tims mind he's working his way backwards to a Mental Notes reunion show - he has mentioned it enough. Maybe its better to stir up support by doing this tour then giving it a go.

I do not believe there is any mallice or ill will on their part towards Phil - both Tim and Neil have openly expressed their appreciation and respect of Phil. Past experience will have shown them that Phil does not like being on stage and he wasnt part of this line up.

He is always there in spirit, is acknowledged when they play something he wrote.

I am sure they all wish he never left. Probably Phil does as well.
Keep in mind that before the anouncement of a tour and which members will be participating af ew moths were spent prepairing. One of the aspects of preparing the tour was contacting all members of Split Enz. There's probably a good reason for Phil not joining the band, most likely a multitude of reasons. I'm sure it was his own decision not to join. Besides the earlier mention that Phil just doesn't like to perform live which he has rarely done in ecent years. Besides that he has a solo record coming out and may noit have the time to prepare for the tour, he probably has his own commitments (release, promotion... tour?).

Someday we'll probably hear more about the reasons for the True colours line-up. In my opinion the most logical line-up for a reunion tour.
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Whatever their argument, you'd think men their age could bury the hatchet and give Phil at least the recognition he deserves.


Yes true! a lot of hatchets need to be removed and buried!
Im not going to get into who's right'and who's wrong and who did what to whom and said what about who.It's all very childish.
And how do we know that Phil Judd has not been asked to perform?this is all just speculation.
Reality is Phil Judd has just as much right to be "there" as the rest of them

Maybe they(ENZ-Phil Judd)will ALL grow a brain on this one,(not just for the reunion)Forgive and forget and let the music do the talking,they are musical geniuses so lets see them put that into practice.
And maybe it will be a case of Everyone Is Here
bring on the LOVE Baby.
Let's not say they should grow a brain. If Phil wasn't invited, I'm sure the Enz had very good reasons. Exceedingly good ones. If Phil was invited, then it's just odd. But nobody's lacking a brain.

Remember that they ALL know a lot more about these problems and relationships than we do. As someone who has been on the unfortunate end of some of Phil's poorer behaviours, I could certainly identify with someone who may not want or feel able to forgive and forget.

Let's not judge the Enz or decisions about which we all know little to nothing. Maybe he will guest star and it'll all be FINE!
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Im not going to get into who's right'and who's wrong and who did what to whom and said what about who.It's all very childish.


And yes I agree Phil Judd has done some abhorrent things in his life,but I would also say that he isnt the only one,a lot of people fall into that category.
And also of the fact that he is a founding member of the ENZ and does deserve to "prove himself" and that these guys arnt getting any younger,and that this will probably be the very last time that we see a Split Enz reunion.Why not have ALL of the ENZ.
Can just picture Finn's,Judd and the rest of the ENZ .. launching into "Walking Down A Road" Smiler

Only lines on our four dead minds(?)
Only rags for our blinds
You know that bare boards and paper walls
They don't make any sense
When there's only
Time to kill
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Originally posted by Guy:
One of the aspects of preparing the tour was contacting all members of Split Enz. There's probably a good reason for Phil not joining the band, most likely a multitude of reasons. I'm sure it was his own decision not to join.


All valid points you've all been making, but (and sorry to sound like a broken record) - he WASN'T approached at all about the tour, and YES, would have been completely willing to do it. It ain't speculation. The 'reliable source' was Phil, OK?

Then again, this whole thing is just part of a business, how they make their money is their thing. I see the logic of the True Colours line-up too - but if Hester was alive, he would 100% be doing it in Mal's place. The True Colours line-up also happens to be the line-up immediately after Judd left the band for good. Isn't it? I may be wrong. Just even a guest spot would have been nice to see, I don't think it would interfere with their grand plan or disappoint anybody.


If this is to be the last hurrah! where is Miles Golding,Mike Howard,Mike and Geoff Chunn,Paul Crowther,Rob Gillies and Wally Wilkinson in all of this?
Wondering if any one of these guys have been invited?and will make an appearance..would be great to see.
Pinky, Despite what you and Phil say, I doubt when it came to it that he would want to make some guest appearance in front of a crowd who largely would not be familiar with his work. He has said plenty of times that he HATES performing live and this tour is all at large arenas.

Mike Chunn said in his radio interview that he knew nothing about the tour as well. These guys are from a different era of the enz.

I expect that the Mental Notes crew will get together sometime soon to do a more low key tour - one for the fans of this unique period. In the meantime it would be great if Novelty Act could find a wide audience on the back of this tour.

Someone (Pinky) should arrange for Mike Gudinski to have a listen to it. He's a fan of Phil and early enz. Surely he's eyes will light up when he hears "Falling off a cloud"
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Originally posted by Guy:
One of the aspects of preparing the tour was contacting all members of Split Enz. There's probably a good reason for Phil not joining the band, most likely a multitude of reasons. I'm sure it was his own decision not to join.


All valid points you've all been making, but (and sorry to sound like a broken record) - he WASN'T approached at all about the tour, and YES, would have been completely willing to do it. It ain't speculation. The 'reliable source' was Phil, OK?


I wasn't aware that Phil wasn't asked to join the band. Did Phil comment on this on his website? Could you point us to the source please?
Seeing some of he other guys, like Chunn, Crowther, Gillies, etc. would definitely be brilliant.

Probably the decision was made to tour with a line-up that actually existed back then. That there was a decision to let this be the True colours line-up is probably because of a) it was the commercially most succesful and b) as noted earlier the death of Paul Hester.

I think a whole lot of people tend to imagine Split enz as the 1980-era band. So there may be a business apect to it as well. The big audience would perhaps be less interested in the mental notes or dizrythmia line-up. (just guessing, I'm not from NZ or Australia). The die hard fans, who are relatively more involved with duscussion here concerning the Enz, would be more interested in a band including Phil Judd.

I'm not sure if there are pesonal reasons behind this. And I don't think any of us should go to far into this until there has been word from Peter or the band about the decision.

I'm just still in doubt if I should buy tickets, or wait till word of a NZ or better, London, show.
No print source, was from the horses mouth. He's comfortable with performing without the pressure of being a frontman nowadays.

I reckon they should get all the old boys up there at the end, say in Melb or Sydney where most of them live, and bang out a showstopper or two at the end. An all-star jam of a song they'll all fight over choosing Smiler
Pinky Tuscadero,
It always takes a woman! If there is anyone who can make it happen im sure it is you. Not sure how, or where it might happen, but im right behind you on this. If it does happen, i'll be there cheering him on 100%. You go girl! Smiler
I'd like to see all 15 Enzers doing a tour with a selection of songs from the very beginning-but that'd be totally impractical, right? Frowner Sighs. If only. Razzer

So, Pinky's suggestion would certainly get my vote. And it'd be great to see Phil on the stage. If he can deal with it now, as seems to be the case. Being on stage I mean. Even for one song - let it be Sweet Dreams.

And Time for a Change. And Lovey Dovey.Cool

PS Glad to see you right behind the action Seany!! You know the saying. Behind every successful man, is a woman laughing her head off. Big Grin
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Originally posted by hk:
I'd like to see all 15 Enzers doing a tour with a selection of songs from the very beginning-but that'd be totally impractical, right? Frowner Sighs. If only. Razzer

So, Pinky's suggestion would certainly get my vote. And it'd be great to see Phil on the stage. If he can deal with it now, as seems to be the case. Being on stage I mean. Even for one song - let it be Sweet Dreams.

And Time for a Change. And Lovey Dovey.Cool

PS Glad to see you right behind the action Seany!! You know the saying. Behind every successful man, is a woman laughing her head off. Big Grin


Well, i have long suspected that to be the case.
Nice to have it confirmed. Big Grin
Condalisa Rice must wake up in stitches every morning.

With half of the current lineup residing in Australia now (Mal, Nigel, Noel, & Phil!), & most of the other guys are based in NZ, maybe it would be a big ask to asemble the entire Enz Cast for one last bow, although it would be great. Maybe it will only happen in NZ, & the rest of the world will miss out.

Well, Paul was both an Enz & Crowdies alumni, so he will probably be there in spirit. Smiler

Just off to find out where all the laughing is coming from! Eeker
Aye, it would do me heart well ta see Phil Judd and some of the "Lost Enz" like Hamish Noonan and Russel Coveney join the lads on stage one last time. I heard the most wonderful of rumors today. It's like a dream come true when I'm telling ya that the lads will be ending each show with a rousing rendition of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey."
Gryphon's maybe the best man for the job of giving us a balanced report on what (if anything) has been going on. Then again, the Finn side of the group has been notoriously quiet on the whole issue over the years. I am kind of surprised that Phil hasn't heard from Eddie & the ex-Schnells though...

Any chance of a semi-official word on the issue Gryph?

It's frustrating when some of us have heard Phil's side of things, not to get the other side (ah the joys of MySpace - we've now got more access to the inner thoughts of some artists than ever before - & I'm not sure if that's a good thing overall (I'm not neccessarily talking about Phil here. Just rambling in general now...)

Can we at least hope that PG will have Novelty Act on sale at the merchandise stands? And maybe Phil'd go down better as the NZ support (Novelty) Act?
Hey Jaffa - does attend mean watch from the wings? There are shades of Spinal Tap here. Look forward to the doco.

Having Phil play a part - even a small one -would add some real interest to proceedings as well as bring the whole enz thing full circle....perhaps phudd could stumble on stage during hermit mcdermit then security usher him out and throw him out into the streets...ooo shades of 1973...the irony, the pathos...

One thing for sure is that the enz should be plugging Phils great new album and Peter should be selling it at the merch stand. This is the most original and enzish release that any of them have released in ages.

Phil (and Tim) launched quite a few careers through the enz and it would be great for them to pay recognition to this on the tour.
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One thing for sure is that the enz should be plugging Phils great new album


I really can't see why, I hardly think Neil and Tim are going to be plugging their new albums on stage.

I'm hoping it will be on the merchandise stand though, (which I'd see as appropriate) as I don't have a copy yet.
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Originally posted by Electric Elf:
Is Tim Finn raining on what could be the most wonderful of parades?


I don't think there's been any evidence of that, really.


I agree, Phil's CD should be on the merch stands. I'm hoping it will be. And I'm with Camus, I'll be knocked out if he appears! Smiler
Icing on the cake.
Yeah, I mean in interviews etc. Although I've noticed that Tim rarely passes the opportunity to make some reference to Phil on stage - usually positive.

Camus - all you need to do is log onto philjudd.com for the cd - maybe even a portrait or two....
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Originally posted by Electric Elf:
Is Tim Finn raining on what could be the most wonderful of parades?


Why say that, mate?

There could be 101 different reasons why Phil Judd doesn't appear during the Enz concerts, and maybe, just maybe, none of those reasons involve Tim.

But I don't know either way, so I'm not going to speculate.

But, who knows? Maybe Phil Judd is going to perform a little "Novelty Act" of his own and pop up out of the blue as a special guest during one or more of the gigs?


...Fizzy.
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