Big spot on for Painaporo - totally agree with what you said and how you put it. 

Crowded House have reformed, there's going to be gigs, there's going to be a new record - I never really expected this would happen, I really didn't. I like how Neil wrote about this new era - it sounds great. 

 

The message is tantalising; hoping for a webcast session, an early glimpse at some new music. The first show is in March so its not that far really. Bring it on. 

For me, glad to see Mitchell Froom is involved, I know little of him other than he was the producer, keen to see him involved and naturally pleased to see both Liam and Elroy involved. Surprised and disagree with some of the stuff being written on here especially about Liam, he is a decent musician, writer and singer in his own right - I'd be pleased to see some writing credits from him with the new music, equally be pleased to see him take some lead vocals too.

 

Monsieur Nick posted:

Big spot on for Painaporo - totally agree with what you said and how you put it. 

Crowded House have reformed, there's going to be gigs, there's going to be a new record - I never really expected this would happen, I really didn't. I like how Neil wrote about this new era - it sounds great. 

 

The message is tantalising; hoping for a webcast session, an early glimpse at some new music. The first show is in March so its not that far really. Bring it on. 

For me, glad to see Mitchell Froom is involved, I know little of him other than he was the producer, keen to see him involved and naturally pleased to see both Liam and Elroy involved. Surprised and disagree with some of the stuff being written on here especially about Liam, he is a decent musician, writer and singer in his own right - I'd be pleased to see some writing credits from him with the new music, equally be pleased to see him take some lead vocals too.

 

I agree about Liam.  Crowded House never had someone other than Neil writing and singing except the odd Paul song.  I really think this is an element that has been missing.  Maybe it will elevate the band to Beatle status (half joking there....but Neil and Liam being the next Paul and John).  Neil may have needed someone to be his counterpart like that and it may elevate things to new heights.

 

There’s No problem with Mark performing on stage . He is in another band right now  He is pretty devastated to be told he is no longer required . How do I know ? Because he told me .

i think if anything neil has underestimated the sense of identity that fans place on the band ... particularly in australasia after the ARIA hall of fame induction where they were all up there on stage ... that was the last we heard of CH ... and then for the next thing to be those guys who were so roundly applauded are out... and to be replaced by his sons? that's where the optics are not good. 

no doubt an explanation will come in a tepid interview somewhere ... but i think the damage, while not fatal, has been done ... a lot of hardcore longterm fans who are very invested in the band would probably feel uncomfy about what's transpired... to have first-hand accounts such as the one quoted above (and mark's own tweet) are striking - and neil hasn't adequately addressed it... 

 

 

 

renzo posted:

I Like when Neil says:

Crowded House has been a shifting landscape, befitting of the name. A cast of characters have inhabited the house, elevated our endeavours and been part of the evolution

And....

we believed in the concept of a band being the sum of parts, the interesting rub that occurs when strong and differing personalities get to add their character to the songs

In other words he's saying that Crowded House (not sure if a fluke by the actual name) is a house full of people....and now the people extracted are the current members.  At some point even Neil will be relegated to a room in the house (hopefully not his death bed) and others will perform and take the band to another direction possibly.  But keeping the old songs alive. 

 

 

I don't know that I read those lines the same way.  It seems to me perhaps to be reaching a bit at this point and without further clarification to interpret them as others continuing as Crowded House after Neil's no longer a part.  Perhaps (or perhaps not) Liam and/or Elroy would perform a Crowded House song(s) as part of an overall set, but I'm just not sure that I'm able to take the leap based solely on Neil's comments so far to say that it would be as Crowded House.

I for one am just absolutely delighted to see Nick and Neil on stage together again and to have the opportunity to take my children to see my favourite band play live (their choice, not mine!) When I told them, my youngest daughter picked up her guitar and said "Right, I'm learning to play the whole back catalogue." Perhaps she can be in a future iteration of the band, who knows, but great to see that CH can still be such an inspiration.

Yes, I'm disappointed there will be no Mark or Matt (having met Matt he is genuinely one of the nicest people in the world) but in a world of madness I am supremely grateful for what we do have. What we have is the best band in the world, our Crowded House, and they are back. 

It will be different, after all it can never now be the same, but I look forward with an open mind to a string of great live shows and some new music to boot.

If that statistical long shot did happen and Liam had received one half of Neil's DNA and Elroy the other half then combined they would make Neil entirely! I'm assuming they have done the testing and know this to be true and that is why both have been made members of crowded house.

One thing I hope this band doesn’t do is go out on the road testing a whole whack of new songs, then over produce them, then record an album, then tour again with the new album. Please make this album feel raw and more upbeat. Don’t over produce. We had that and crowded house needs a unique, raw, at times quite rockin, album. Like I said many times: essentially duplicate the live experience on the album. 

renzo posted:

Please make this album feel raw and more upbeat. Don’t over produce. We had that and crowded house needs a unique, raw, at times quite rockin, album. Like I said many times: essentially duplicate the live experience on the album. 

I like this in theory too, but it has _never_ happened. It's not just Intriguer - The first four albums all had several of the songs played live first too, and they were about as raw as Neil is ever likely to get.

My main hope, if there is a record, is that it lands somewhere in between Mitchell's pop sensibilities and Liam's more eclectic bent. The flashes of "song" on Lightsleeper (e.g. the first three minutes or so of We Know What It Means) are great, but the surrounding fuzz (e.g. the last four minutes or so of We Know What It Means) has no real place on a Crowdies record. 

In some ways, Liam is the Eddie Rayner in the current lineup. Capable of adding really interesting things. Also capable of overtaking the song. Neil has historically not been great at telling the difference between the two, but hopefully Mitchell can do that. 

renzo posted:

Like I said....I think having his sons in the band will result in Crowded House continuing for decades.  And as I said, that should actually make us feel at ease knowing that the band and music will be kept alive for our kids and hopefully their kids.  The voice of Neil is alive in his sons and that is a great thing.  I have no problem with this.  Now, if it were strangers or non family members then I would not warm up to it as much.  And to top it off, Neil's son's are great musicians and strong songwriters....da future looooks bright!

This is a joke, right ?

IainK posted:

Well... that depends on whether you agree with that last sentence or not. No idea about Elroy's ability as a songwriter but Liam's I rate about as little as I do his musical talent. I would also hope the two of them would have a bit more ambition in life than to be a tribute act to their own father.

Spot on.

Its actually quite sad, as they are good musicians in there own right, the young lads should be ploughing their own furrow, not being in a band with a bunch of old sixty year old men and living in in the old mans shadow.

I didn't think it was.... why not? 

I'd be happy to hear Liam or Elroy singing Neil and Tim's songs in 20 years, Maybe Harper might want to as well?

I'm hoping Liam is going to be co writing and leading with vocals in this instance of Crowded House. I don't want a 2020 refresh of what Crowded House was back in 1992 - it doesn't seem as though Neil wants that either.

Anthony posted:
renzo posted:

Like I said....I think having his sons in the band will result in Crowded House continuing for decades.  And as I said, that should actually make us feel at ease knowing that the band and music will be kept alive for our kids and hopefully their kids.  The voice of Neil is alive in his sons and that is a great thing.  I have no problem with this.  Now, if it were strangers or non family members then I would not warm up to it as much.  And to top it off, Neil's son's are great musicians and strong songwriters....da future looooks bright!

This is a joke, right ?

No joke....come back to me in a couple of decades and I'm pretty sure I'll be right.  At this point we don't know but isn't it feasible that his son's will carry on the band especially if this goes for another 10-15 years with this lineup....all you jokers will then say they should never be kicked out because they are now permanent band members.  Ain't I riiiiiight?  This Canadian loves speaking American, as you can tell.

Monsieur Nick posted:

I didn't think it was.... why not? 

I'd be happy to hear Liam or Elroy singing Neil and Tim's songs in 20 years, Maybe Harper might want to as well?

I'm hoping Liam is going to be co writing and leading with vocals in this instance of Crowded House. I don't want a 2020 refresh of what Crowded House was back in 1992 - it doesn't seem as though Neil wants that either.

So you'd listen to the Beatles with a band made up of Dhani, James, Sean, and Jason?

Bands have a shelf life and once the principles have died, surly you draw a line and move on......

Yeah.... I would.

Do I expect them to match their dads? probably not. I'd still think the original Beatles albums were the best - thats what we'd all remember. 

I listened to Ed Harcourt, Beta Band, Supergrass and the libertines put on a stellar performance of Sgt Peppers a few years back - it was top.

 

Do I think Liam or Elroy could sing Neil's songs, yeah I do and probably very well. In 30 years, I'll be in my 70's and I might feel quite glad to hear Liam perform his dad's songs assuming he wants to - he'll probably want to play his own, they're also pretty good too.

You need to think little more out of the box - it won't detract from the original albums. Who says the lid has to be shut on Crowded House when Neil decides he doesn't fancy it anymore. Why does the line have to be drawn....?

 

I am loving all the opinions on this! I love(d) Mark all he brought to the bands sound, loved Tim, Eddie, Matt, Peter and of course Paul - The Together Alone line up is my favourite...but that time had passed. I can stamp my foot, call this cynical (was getting back together in 2007 also cynical, not really CH...?)go to the shows, begrudgingly, almost hoping I don't like it or they have to convince me they are worthy...? Neil has a wealth of material - I love lots of it and some of it I don't like at all. For me Woodface, Together Alone are magnificent... the great songs on the first 2 albums are (I think) almost buried in terrible 1980s production/compression. Again that is in the past...maybe this line up will be wonderful - great live and in the studio - I want them to be!

I don't care for or about Crowded House - The Next Generation one bit at the moment. 

I have been apprehensive about this lineup and still find it quite cringey, but I've changed my mind on some things. I've also bought tickets, obviously 😁

I'm fine with Mitchell and Elroy, but Liam's tendency for pretentiousness and gimmicky props still worries me. (I like his solo stuff musically.) And the risk of all dancing all singing family kitsch. I'll have to wait and see. (Still: Come on boys, get your own career, you're not 18 any more; or Neil, you can give them your money if they need it, without employing them.) 

BUT: Listening to FTTW the other day, I could imagine that kind of atmosphere a lot more with the new lineup. Could Neil have been missing the dynamics on stage? Mark and Matt never really contributed much, and Neil has just had 2 years of a very controlled form of entertainment with FM. We might see a bit more jumping about and turning up the volume on this tour, and I like the idea of that a lot. 

I'm also wondering about where the new music might be going. Is this the more guitar-driven album some of us have been hoping for?  

(I'd also love to know whether Nick put up any resistance to getting rid of M&M, but we'll never find out, I suppose.)

 

Mica posted:

I don't care for or about Crowded House - The Next Generation one bit at the moment. 

I have been apprehensive about this lineup and still find it quite cringey, but I've changed my mind on some things. I've also bought tickets, obviously 😁

I'm fine with Mitchell and Elroy, but Liam's tendency for pretentiousness and gimmicky props still worries me. (I like his solo stuff musically.) And the risk of all dancing all singing family kitsch. I'll have to wait and see. (Still: Come on boys, get your own career, you're not 18 any more; or Neil, you can give them your money if they need it, without employing them.) 

BUT: Listening to FTTW the other day, I could imagine that kind of atmosphere a lot more with the new lineup. Could Neil have been missing the dynamics on stage? Mark and Matt never really contributed much, and Neil has just had 2 years of a very controlled form of entertainment with FM. We might see a bit more jumping about and turning up the volume on this tour, and I like the idea of that a lot. 

I'm also wondering about where the new music might be going. Is this the more guitar-driven album some of us have been hoping for?  

(I'd also love to know whether Nick put up any resistance to getting rid of M&M, but we'll never find out, I suppose.)

 

Great post Mica....well,  the part of Mark and Matt....and guitar driven.  I agree with both those comments.  I think that's why we should be excited about this new lineup.  We will see an injection of great ideas, I think.  And great energy on stage.  Also, Liam was essentially part of Crowded House on the Time on Earth tour.  He played with them I think at times.  And wow, great opening act with him.  At least in Winnipeg that occured.  Fantastic opening he put on.

Mica posted:

I don't care for or about Crowded House - The Next Generation one bit at the moment. 

I have been apprehensive about this lineup and still find it quite cringey, but I've changed my mind on some things. I've also bought tickets, obviously 😁

I'm fine with Mitchell and Elroy, but Liam's tendency for pretentiousness and gimmicky props still worries me. (I like his solo stuff musically.) And the risk of all dancing all singing family kitsch. I'll have to wait and see. (Still: Come on boys, get your own career, you're not 18 any more; or Neil, you can give them your money if they need it, without employing them.) 

BUT: Listening to FTTW the other day, I could imagine that kind of atmosphere a lot more with the new lineup. Could Neil have been missing the dynamics on stage? Mark and Matt never really contributed much, and Neil has just had 2 years of a very controlled form of entertainment with FM. We might see a bit more jumping about and turning up the volume on this tour, and I like the idea of that a lot. 

I'm also wondering about where the new music might be going. Is this the more guitar-driven album some of us have been hoping for?  

(I'd also love to know whether Nick put up any resistance to getting rid of M&M, but we'll never find out, I suppose.)

 

Good post . Re your last paragraph - I’d like to know that too . 

Mark certainly tried to get Nick back in the band when Neil punted him just before Woodface . I’d like to think Nick tried to return the favour ....

Anthony posted:
Monsieur Nick posted:

I didn't think it was.... why not? 

I'd be happy to hear Liam or Elroy singing Neil and Tim's songs in 20 years, Maybe Harper might want to as well?

I'm hoping Liam is going to be co writing and leading with vocals in this instance of Crowded House. I don't want a 2020 refresh of what Crowded House was back in 1992 - it doesn't seem as though Neil wants that either.

So you'd listen to the Beatles with a band made up of Dhani, James, Sean, and Jason?

Bands have a shelf life and once the principles have died, surly you draw a line and move on......

This !

Why is all of this occurring now?

Logic could've prevailed following the happy events of late 2016: the Sydney gigs, the deluxe reissues, and the ARIA awards seemed to highlight the band's profile vividly well at that time. That momentum would've been grand for the band to keep going then and there, but now?

Nobody thankfully has to listen or attend in 2020 lest anyone feels The Partridge Family Revitalised is really worth their time and patience (let alone all the money spent for paying tickets, travel, and accommodation for those who have to journey to the cities). Split Enz thankfully had the good grace to stop as a band following their tiny tour of NZ  in 2008 (the 2009 VIC bushfires gig notwithstanding) at this time of writing. The brilliance of Crowded House as a band (1985 - 1996) rather than as a group (2007 onwards) will always be there for us all in the songs, the sound, the performances, the film clips, and (very importantly) the attitude and for these, I am grateful.

I'm certainly not one for wishing that the past was now in the present; adult offspring often join a parent or 2 in the family business but usually not when said offspring are in their 30s.....and didn't the wonderful Chris Bourke biography quote Mitchell Froom upon when being asked to join the band permanently during the late 1980s as saying 'Only if you call yourself The Losers. I'd like to be a Loser.'? Is this demand still in the air?

I hope that Nick Seymour enjoys himself, especially now with a (I think?) fourth Crowded House drummer. It will nice to see what artwork he arrives with for the band's 35th anniversary.

I agree with Black and White Boy. Neil/Nick/Mitchell Froom - this is as old-school CH as it gets. the only original member who won't participate in the Euro tour, for sadly obvious reasons, is Paul. over the years various others have been part of the Crowded House lineup...Mark, Tim, Matt. Neil, Nick and Paul were always the heart of this band and we still have two of the three. to me, Neil Finn can perform on a stage with anyone he wants and call it whatever he likes, and I will spend the time and effort to be there to celebrate this music whenever I can. in a similar vein, I will be at the Queen concert in Berlin the night after CH. Queen's lineup has changed over the years, with the most significant change being Adam Lambert as frontman for the band (for several years now). Freddy is gone and never forgotten but the fact remains that Roger Taylor and Brian May are legends, they can get on stage and play with whomever they want  (Adam Lambert is a legend in the making, y'all; he is amazing) and I am here for it ! 

good vibes, y'all. hope to see some of you in Berlin!

So Alphonse....when the album comes out and is sure to be uniquely different from the last two albums....and my guess will be a lot stronger....will you warm up to them? I just can’t play Intriguer any more. I need something from Crowded House that will blow me away, and way more upbeat, less refined. I have a feeling this will be in the top three Crowded House albums. Something about the lineup that feels right. 

Hello, Renzo -

Truth be told, I'm done and dusted from all things Finn-related from here on in. There have been beautiful songs and wonderful moments in concert but the abundance of excuses and faux reasons for band personnel choices made ever since Tim joined Crowded House onwards have simply become too extreme. I still adore much of the band's music - I think that the Afterglow collection is a beautiful example of just how rich in music the band was, as well as the Deluxe editions - but for me, my door is closing on Crowded House with this post. All the best to you.

As a P.S.: at least the 2 bands you referenced did have periods of time when it was just their lineup on the albums (give or take an occasional guest for a song or 2; Ian Stewart on piano with the Stones is an example) but Crowded House have yet to do this.....and only a minority in the audience clamour to hear new songs from these bands anymore, regardless of how good the new songs are (especially the Stones' newer material). I've simply never grasped why Crowded House never recorded without the help of session players when the band was so brilliant when playing live, that's all. Cheers.

Alphonse posted:

Hello, Renzo -

Truth be told, I'm done and dusted from all things Finn-related from here on in. There have been beautiful songs and wonderful moments in concert but the abundance of excuses and faux reasons for band personnel choices made ever since Tim joined Crowded House onwards have simply become too extreme. I still adore much of the band's music - I think that the Afterglow collection is a beautiful example of just how rich in music the band was, as well as the Deluxe editions - but for me, my door is closing on Crowded House with this post. All the best to you.

Hopefully your not going to quit posting. I hope it wasn’t me that triggered that. You say something here that resonates with me: I loved Afterglow and I really want this lineup to come up with something rich and layered as that or Together Alone. This is the wording I’m looking for. This has been what has been missing although Time on Earth had some of this which is why it is such a grower. But i think that is why the switch in personnel: I really think Neil wants this for Crowded House and has faith the current lineup will deliver something special. 

renzo posted:
Alphonse posted:

Hello, Renzo -

Truth be told, I'm done and dusted from all things Finn-related from here on in. There have been beautiful songs and wonderful moments in concert but the abundance of excuses and faux reasons for band personnel choices made ever since Tim joined Crowded House onwards have simply become too extreme. I still adore much of the band's music - I think that the Afterglow collection is a beautiful example of just how rich in music the band was, as well as the Deluxe editions - but for me, my door is closing on Crowded House with this post. All the best to you.

Hopefully your not going to quit posting. I hope it wasn’t me that triggered that. You say something here that resonates with me: I loved Afterglow and I really want this lineup to come up with something rich and layered as that or Together Alone. This is the wording I’m looking for. This has been what has been missing although Time on Earth had some of this which is why it is such a grower. But i think that is why the switch in personnel: I really think Neil wants this for Crowded House and has faith the current lineup will deliver something special. 

A big part of the sonic texture achieved on Together Alone was due in no small part to Mark Hart . It’s no coincidence that Marks heavier involvement changed things quite radically sonically from Woodface .

True....somewhere down the line Intriguer was a dip in this aspect. I really think Neil road tested and analyzed it too much and it turned out way over produced. If that one turned out raw and textured etc, probably would have been way better

c.houser posted:

When Neil and Tim toured in 04 they had the Stacey brothers (?) playing with them and that was a solid band. Two sets of brothers on stage, and another player, but no niggling nepotism present. Good for Liam and Elroy, but this didn't have to be.

Jeremy Stacey and Tim Smith. I don’t think Paul Stacey toured with them (but maybe I’m wrong?).

Thom Bullock posted:
c.houser posted:

When Neil and Tim toured in 04 they had the Stacey brothers (?) playing with them and that was a solid band. Two sets of brothers on stage, and another player, but no niggling nepotism present. Good for Liam and Elroy, but this didn't have to be.

Jeremy Stacey and Tim Smith. I don’t think Paul Stacey toured with them (but maybe I’m wrong?).

Yeah both Stacey brothers toured . I met then backstage . 

crowded House had an existing full lineup anyway . There’s no need for any changes 

Lots of very well observed comments on here. 

Together Alone is my favourite album, so no Mark is a big loss as far as I'm concerned. I was underwhelmed when I saw Neil and Liam perform on the Lightsleeper tour, so I'm not rushing out to buy tickets at these prices.

That said, I'll keep an open mind and if there's a new album in the offing I'll be interested to hear it. 

But it's hard not to see this as a way for Neil to use the CH name to get more bums on seats.

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