So with more and more gigs being announced, with mark out of the band, another key clue to the goings on has emerged in the marketing of the manchester a gig announced overnight .... a poster .

look up the gig on yr social feeds and u’ll find a poster announcing the date and the gig and unlike other generic posters of the festivals announced so far this one has a picture of the band ... and who crowded house is in 2020? ... a four piece? A three piece? Perhaps a six piece? Nope, just neil and nick. No mark, no matt...

Other roles appear certain now to be filled by hired hands.

And as discussed here already all the signs are emerging that crowdies 2020 is the all singing all dancing finn family band plus mitchell froom.

 

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I can’t find the picture either; so not sure where its making the rounds...

As a lifelong fan, yes I’m disappointed; as much as I enjoy Liam and Elroy (he’s a solid drummer and a really nice guy) as their own musicians, I don’t think making them part of CH is in anyone’s best interest. Of course time will tell, but there are so many other options that would have gotten me so much more excited.

As a father, I get it. I don’t know a lot of parents who wouldn’t go out of their way to take care of their kids. Their are plenty of legitimate examples of professional, successful, ethical business leaders who have employed or allowed their children to be part of the organization they oversee. Why should the music industry be any different? 

 

also starting to feel really awkward that while neil has acknowledged mark who says he's out, there's still no word officially what's happening with matt ... awkward factor is pretty high ... (not to mention the fact that customers are buying tickets to see a band they don't even know who is in it - i reckon that's just wrong, and in australia at least the kind of thing that the consumer regulator (anti-trust regulator in other parts of the world) might take an interest in ) ... 

Well, Billy Corgan did eventually bring Jimmy and James back to The Smashing Pumpkins. 

Neil did once say Crowded House would never get back together, then look what happened. 

There's always hope, but this lineup doesn't work for me. 

Best wishes, i'll give it a listen but I won't be there in person. 

Could be worse, he could have replaced Nick with Sharon, although Liam isn't much better. Look forward to him fannying around in lieu of actual talent.

Local gig is the hydro, and meh... I can't see them coming close to selling it out. In all honesty resurrecting the Crowdies name with this line up feels completely like a cashgrab.

So much cynicism here. Bands evolve, relationships change, and people grow apart. Matt and Mark made a valuable contribution to the feel of the music, but should they stay in the band just to please the fans? Sometimes artists need to shake things up, and rebel against what is expected of them.

'Crowded House' is and always will be Neil's baby. He could quite legitimately release solo material under the name. (And actually, much of his solo work stands up to the quality of the CH releases).

Having said all of that, Neil, Nick and Mitchell Froom performing together is about as authentic old-school Crowded House as you can get.  Adding the two younger Finns (who are incidentally both excellent musicians), can surely only strengthen what should be a fantastic live experience.

 

 

Honestly I think it's cynical to use the name Crowded House when clearly it's the only way Neil can come close to selling out larger venues these days. I grew up with TA-era crowded house and mark to me is a huge part of what makes a difference between a CH gig and a NF solo gig. Seeing another twee family lineup just doesn't appeal - I genuienly miss the days when neil selected musicians for their ability to actually play, not just because he is related to them.

yes, i recall quipping a while back that nick should watch his health in case of sharon stepping in ... doesnt bear thinking about.

as for explaining the new lineup, no doubt the embargoed interviews have all been done with compliant music journos and will be wheeled out in due course... 'we needed a change of directoin' ... 'we wanted to connect with our roots and familiy' ... blah blah ... 

neil has seen how they do things in the mac and no doubt he's doing the same thing for the crowdies now too ... pay day ... ka-ching.

just all a bit hard to stomach.

there's three numbers that will sort out this version of crowded house live pretty quickly ... fingers of love, private universe and whispers and moans... it's the 'holy trinity' of crowdies live ... i suspect this band line-up will be all hits and giggles... this will be the 'something so strong' and 'sister madly' tour ... 

 

Why has Neil used the Crowded House brand for what is, in essence, his family band. I'm sure he's a nice lad but I just find Liam's presence on stage uncomfortable and out of place. 

This is not Crowded House ........

Will I go (of course)

Mitchell Froom is as much crowded house as Mark Hart. Probably more so. Froom played the solo on Don’t Dream it’s Over. He put the verse and chorus of Fall at Your Feet together. Having him involved is heaps exciting.

What needs to be said about the drummer? He got replaced. If Matt Sherrod wanted to comment he would.

This lineup will be amazing.

A few thoughts for those in doubt:
When I first heard CH back in 86/87 I was a preteen kid who fell in love with the poetic words, angst and beautifully arranged music of a band who were discovering themselves through their 20’s and 30’s.

34 years later, it would impossibly naive to  expect or attempt to relive that magically nostalgic era. Life has happened to all of us...

When The Finn brothers’ ‘Everyone is Here’ came out in 2004 (read that title and think of what it means, knowing that this album was released less than 1 year before Paul killed himself) I was thrilled to see them rekindle their relationship with Mitchell Froom, who I believe is and should be regarded as a MAJOR contributor to the CH magic that’s mesmerized us all (beyond the organ solos).

2007-2010 saw the return of Mark and the addition of Matt; pure joy, energy and fun! I was there loving every minute of it, ( We even got an encore in 2016). I always felt the production on both ‘TOE’ and ‘Intriguer’ were missed opportunities and would have loved to hear a Mitchell Froom version of both albums.

In (almost) 2020, I now have 3 kids of my own and one of my dreams is to take them to a CH show as their 1st concert, maybe next year. These days I’m a dad 1st, so this whole things couldn’t be more fitting.

Am I happy with this new band? Hell yeas! I’m thrilled! Even more so that we might get North American live dates and new music!!! Will I support them? 2000% yes-yes and yes!

Can Liam and Elroy play Fingers of Love or Private Universe??? That and so much more!

is Neil doing it for the money? Music Industry-show business... He’s still someone I look up to admire and respect on many levels.

i dig this iteration of CROWDED HOUSE and I’m happy were still here to enjoy it.

Hmm... here was me thinking it was only going to be a one off gig with Mitchell Froom. And that It only came about because he would be in town producing a new Fleetwood Mac album!! ... I got that WELL wrong on all fronts!!! And Stuart was bang on correct from the start.

For me, I struggle to see this as Crowded House. But I’m going to hold off judgement til I hear new music. 

Mark is clearly a casualty of Mitchell Froom back in the fold. Neil had to pick one or the other and it looks like he wants to try and capture the early Crowdies sound that Froom really helped shape.

It is hard to be enthusiastic about this lineup though because I thought the band sounded as good as I have ever heard them at SoH in 2016.

That said, CH was originally Neil, Nick and Paul with Mitchell Froom playing a key role. Then both Elroy and Liam grew up on the road with Crowded House and both played with them on stage during MkII.

I still don’t quite get it... I would have preferred the 2016 SoH lineup in the studio and touring again, but I will give this lineup a chance. It has every right to come under the Crowded House name.

Unlike some, I really like Liam as a musician. I’ll Be Lightening is one of my favorite Finn albums of the last 15 years. I’m a fan of his work and enjoy him live. I just have never pictured him as a full member of Crowded House. It seems wrong.

I think there is a lot riding on the new music... If you remove somebody like Mark Hart from the fold after 30 years, there is a bit of pressure on to produce something phenomenal in order to justify it - It is not something to be done just for giggles!

I doubt that this is just about a cash grab tour. If that was the case, it doesn’t make much sense to swap out Mark for Mitchell. 

I am thrilled to have Mitchell join Crowded House. I agree that he contributed more to the sound of CH than Mark Hart, not that I'm dissing Mark. After watching Neil perform some CH songs with Liam and Elroy I became convinced that this lineup is a good idea. Crowded House needs humor and youthful enthusiasm and it needs to inspire Neil to try new things. At this stage of Neil's career, it's going to be hard to find bandmates who will challenge him as opposed to just playing what he wants them to play. I think this lineup is uniquely positioned to challenge and inspire Neil in a way that I don't think any other lineup could (with the exception of Tim).

Bring on more Crowded House!

Whysus posted:

Hmm... here was me thinking it was only going to be a one off gig with Mitchell Froom. And that It only came about because he would be in town producing a new Fleetwood Mac album!! ... I got that WELL wrong on all fronts!!! And Stuart was bang on correct from the start.

For me, I struggle to see this as Crowded House. But I’m going to hold off judgement til I hear new music. 

Mark is clearly a casualty of Mitchell Froom back in the fold. Neil had to pick one or the other and it looks like he wants to try and capture the early Crowdies sound that Froom really helped shape.

It is hard to be enthusiastic about this lineup though because I thought the band sounded as good as I have ever heard them at SoH in 2016.

That said, CH was originally Neil, Nick and Paul with Mitchell Froom playing a key role. Then both Elroy and Liam grew up on the road with Crowded House and both played with them on stage during MkII.

I still don’t quite get it... I would have preferred the 2016 SoH lineup in the studio and touring again, but I will give this lineup a chance. It has every right to come under the Crowded House name.

Unlike some, I really like Liam as a musician. I’ll Be Lightening is one of my favorite Finn albums of the last 15 years. I’m a fan of his work and enjoy him live. I just have never pictured him as a full member of Crowded House. It seems wrong.

I think there is a lot riding on the new music... If you remove somebody like Mark Hart from the fold after 30 years, there is a bit of pressure on to produce something phenomenal in order to justify it - It is not something to be done just for giggles!

I doubt that this is just about a cash grab tour. If that was the case, it doesn’t make much sense to swap out Mark for Mitchell. 

I agree with pretty much all of this . Good post .

Paināporo posted:

I am thrilled to have Mitchell join Crowded House. I agree that he contributed more to the sound of CH than Mark Hart, not that I'm dissing Mark. After watching Neil perform some CH songs with Liam and Elroy I became convinced that this lineup is a good idea. Crowded House needs humor and youthful enthusiasm and it needs to inspire Neil to try new things. At this stage of Neil's career, it's going to be hard to find bandmates who will challenge him as opposed to just playing what he wants them to play. I think this lineup is uniquely positioned to challenge and inspire Neil in a way that I don't think any other lineup could (with the exception of Tim).

Bring on more Crowded House!

By that token you are then saying woodface is a better representation of Crowded Houses sound than Together Alone really . 

harrytrousers posted:

Mitchell Froom is as much crowded house as Mark Hart. Probably more so. Froom played the solo on Don’t Dream it’s Over. He put the verse and chorus of Fall at Your Feet together. Having him involved is heaps exciting.

What needs to be said about the drummer? He got replaced. If Matt Sherrod wanted to comment he would.

This lineup will be amazing.

Mark was an official member of the band since 1992 . Mitchell Froom was asked to join the band early on but refused . He made a big contribution but was not a band member ( like Mark was ) . 

Try to imagine Together alone without Marks contribution . 

Each to their own , but I completely disagree with you .

Anthony posted:

Why has Neil used the Crowded House brand for what is, in essence, his family band. I'm sure he's a nice lad but I just find Liam's presence on stage uncomfortable and out of place. 

This is not Crowded House ........

Will I go (of course)

This .

IainK posted:

Honestly I think it's cynical to use the name Crowded House when clearly it's the only way Neil can come close to selling out larger venues these days. I grew up with TA-era crowded house and mark to me is a huge part of what makes a difference between a CH gig and a NF solo gig. Seeing another twee family lineup just doesn't appeal - I genuienly miss the days when neil selected musicians for their ability to actually play, not just because he is related to them.

Spot on

Black&WhiteBoy posted:

So much cynicism here. Bands evolve, relationships change, and people grow apart. Matt and Mark made a valuable contribution to the feel of the music, but should they stay in the band just to please the fans? Sometimes artists need to shake things up, and rebel against what is expected of them.

'Crowded House' is and always will be Neil's baby. He could quite legitimately release solo material under the name. (And actually, much of his solo work stands up to the quality of the CH releases).

Having said all of that, Neil, Nick and Mitchell Froom performing together is about as authentic old-school Crowded House as you can get.  Adding the two younger Finns (who are incidentally both excellent musicians), can surely only strengthen what should be a fantastic live experience.

 

 

Black&WhiteBoy posted:

So much cynicism here. Bands evolve, relationships change, and people grow apart. Matt and Mark made a valuable contribution to the feel of the music, but should they stay in the band just to please the fans? Sometimes artists need to shake things up, and rebel against what is expected of them.

'Crowded House' is and always will be Neil's baby. He could quite legitimately release solo material under the name. (And actually, much of his solo work stands up to the quality of the CH releases).

Having said all of that, Neil, Nick and Mitchell Froom performing together is about as authentic old-school Crowded House as you can get.  Adding the two younger Finns (who are incidentally both excellent musicians), can surely only strengthen what should be a fantastic live experience.

 

 

Neil has many musical “ babies “ that’s the thing . I saw this lineup with Sharon instead of nick and no Mitchell in January . I thoroughly enjoyed it , but didn’t think of it as crowded House . 

parplophone wanted Neil to issue try whistling this as “ crowded House “ but he thought it was wrong to do so . 

Whats  changed now ?

I have a feeling there was not enough unique input by the other band members (the last lineup) and Neil is trying to make this version of the band very strong with better songwriters and possible better musicians involved.  (We don't need another Intriguer....) There could be a thought of a passing of the torch to his sons who will one day take over the band.  All in all I think it is a great move.  The band definitely needed a shot in the arm and more energy....and his sons will do that.  And with Froom, he can only help greatly with a great perspective and producing talents.  

renzo posted:

I have a feeling there was not enough unique input by the other band members (the last lineup) and Neil is trying to make this version of the band very strong with better songwriters and possible better musicians involved.  (We don't need another Intriguer....) There could be a thought of a passing of the torch to his sons who will one day take over the band.  All in all I think it is a great move.  The band definitely needed a shot in the arm and more energy....and his sons will do that.  And with Froom, he can only help greatly with a great perspective and producing talents.  

Take over the band ?! How would that work ? 

So what you are saying paul could ask James , Dhani , Zak , Sean and Julian to “ take over “ the Beatles ?!

I love Intriguer . It could have been even better had Neil allowed the band to finish it instead of jetting off to LA and getting other guys like John O Brien to play over the top of it . As Mark once said , “ I have no idea what happens to these records once I’ve finished recording my parts “ 

Paul Williams posted:

I liked Mark an Matt as much as anyone, but at the end of the day, this is Neil's band... it always has been. He's the genius behind the songs we all love and how he chooses to perform them is totally up to him. I'm really excited to see and hear this new lineup!

 

The “ it’s Neil’s Band “ thing gets pedalled out a lot . I don’t know what that’s got to do with other people’s  opinions on what Neil does ! 

My point is that Crowded House are an entity in their own right with existing members . Looking at Neil’s varied career , many of us find it odd that he chose this completley new lineup and still decided it was ” Crowded House “. 

He has several things on the go , and he could have started something new again . This is at odds with the integrity he has shown the band in the past . 

Off course he can do what he likes - some of us may not agree with it though .

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