So I was rewatching Great Australian Albums that I'd taped off SBS a while ago about Woodface and have fallen in love with it all over again.
I love how Neil was saying Fall At Your Feet is about being sad about seeing someone you care for upset, whether you caused the feeling or not, it was just so... old school romantic, I guess, how he said it's about just wanting to take the pain and sadness away....
I guess this thread is in case anyone has any Woodface related tales to tell, and can anyone tell me how the title came about please?
Here and Now Not Forever..
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I'm sure I read somewhere that it was because "Woodface" was a sland Australian term for how your face felt when you had a hangover.Any truth in this my antipodean chums?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stuartjb:
I'm sure I read somewhere that it was because "Woodface" was a sland Australian term for how your face felt when you had a hangover.QUOTE]

As opposed to the term used before the hangover '****face'? Dosn't sound as good
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Originally posted by Andy Watson:
I thought it was French slang.


that'd be Visage a bois, surely??

Couple of Woodface tales :

- Like a lot of UK fans I guess, it was the album that got me into the whole Finn dynasty,
thanks to a recommendation from our band's drummer at the time.....

- my brother/sister-in-law had 'All I Ask' as the first dance @ their wedding, although the DJ (not surprisingly!0 didn't have a copy of Woodface, so I had to make an unscheduled trip back home mid-reception to grab my copy!
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Originally posted by BART:
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Originally posted by Andy Watson:
I thought it was French slang.


that'd be Visage a bois, surely??

Couple of Woodface tales :

- Like a lot of UK fans I guess, it was the album that got me into the whole Finn dynasty,
thanks to a recommendation from our band's drummer at the time.....

- my brother/sister-in-law had 'All I Ask' as the first dance @ their wedding, although the DJ (not surprisingly!0 didn't have a copy of Woodface, so I had to make an unscheduled trip back home mid-reception to grab my copy!
Funny - All I Ask, aside from the crooning from Tim, hardly seems a romantic, first-dance song. In fact, isn't one of the reasons for getting married wanting to get permanently attached to, rather than removed from, "familiar things"? Wink
Actually, Adidasman, my brother suffers from short-term memory loss problems so they thought the lyrics were rather appropriate.



Big Grin
This thread inspired me to listen to Woodface again for the first time in ages. It's very enjoyable and much better than I remembered if not up to the standard of the 3 Ts (Temple, Together and Time). And the bonus track made me jump again!
I read that woodface came out of originally being a finn brothers album but if thats so why is tim heard so little on it?
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Originally posted by milkit1:
I read that woodface came out of originally being a finn brothers album but if thats so why is tim heard so little on it?


I don't know if there is a simple answer to that question. This album has had a long and complicated history. If you are in any able to view the documentary, it is well worth the watch. For me, I felt it was well worth the purchase.
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Originally posted by milkit1:
I read that woodface came out of originally being a finn brothers album but if thats so why is tim heard so little on it?

Basically, about half of it came from the first Finn Brothers sessions. Tim can be heard quite a bit in those tracks (e.g., "It's Only Natural"). As for why he wasn't heard more... well, Neil is the group's lead singer. Smiler
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Originally posted by BART:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Andy Watson:
I thought it was French slang.


that'd be Visage a bois, surely??

Couple of Woodface tales :

- Like a lot of UK fans I guess, it was the album that got me into the whole Finn dynasty,
thanks to a recommendation from our band's drummer at the time.....

- my brother/sister-in-law had 'All I Ask' as the first dance @ their wedding, although the DJ (not surprisingly!0 didn't have a copy of Woodface, so I had to make an unscheduled trip back home mid-reception to grab my copy![/QUOTE

worldlingo
Thanks everyone.
It was said on the doco that Neil and Tim were gong to finally put together a Finn Bros album, and Neil had some songs that he thought were better suited to CH and some songs that Tim had help Neil give birth to were thought by Neil to only be sang and performed at their best if Tim was involved so he basically told the boys Tim was joining the band and they were ok with that and it worked well until it was realised Tim was better suited to being a lead or solo artist, not in "the background " as such with a band.
This is written all from a dodgy memory, please anyone correct me if it's wrong.
Hi. I'm not keen on woodface at all.Aprt from one or two great tunes, i thought it sank like a leaky boat-pardon the pun! I guess it just didn't grow on me.
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Originally posted by BART:
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Originally posted by Beajai:
worldlingo



???? Je ne comprends pas


Sorry about that - it didn't quite post the way I intended! The link I posted says 'The title of the album is a reference to the French-language expression "gueule de bois", which means "hangover".'
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Originally posted by Beajai:
Sorry about that - it didn't quite post the way I intended! The link I posted says 'The title of the album is a reference to the French-language expression "gueule de bois", which means "hangover".'


Ah....can see it now, thanks for clarifying Beajai.....and that's my slang french word for the day!
I'm another of those UK fans...

I was quite young when I first listened to it and it felt like my first proper 'grown up' record. A lot of the songs really connected with me... From the sublime sunshine of WWY, through to the divine She Goes On. Choc Cake will always be one of my favourite songs and Italian Plastic made me sit up and go - huh, whats this song I LOVE it!

And I also love Woodface as its the album that then made me buy CH and TOLM and then led me to the live shows and eventually came TA... I love you Woodface - thanks! Smiler
Im surprised by some comments on here. i always thought Woodface was the unquestionable crowded house masterpiece. I always felt liek Neil could put together a 75% great album and the addition of Tim was what put this over.
I think you'll find that, while every album has its supporters, the overall pick for Crowded House's best album here on the Frenz Forum is Together Alone.
A few songs drag this one down for me. Tall Trees, There goes god and Fame Is are all songs I could happily never hear again.
I think the general consensus is that Together Alone is the masterpiece, it's certainly my fave.
I love Tall Tress and Fame is (they prove that the Finn's do "throw away" pop with such style that you just don't want to throw it away),

"love children of the new age
just a hippy with a weekly wage
There's no rebelion just a chance
to be lazy"

Great lyrics, fun yet insightful.

I'd also like to say good things about:

WWY which is pure sunshine.
4SI1D the only single that I never tire of regardless of how much it gets played.

Most significantly, from day one I've always adored Whispers and Moans, this song is such a classic and has always been my favourite album track on Woodface, it is a masterpiece and it's great CH still play it on tour.

Finally, any song that contains the lyric

"Gimme time, gimme time
Cos I want you to see
Round the world, round the world
is a tangled up necklace of pearls"

is something to be cherished, How will you go, to me is a truly uplifting spiritual song.

I guess Woodface was my first love, something not to be forgotten or taken for granted as life goes on. Smiler Smiler
Kittybear, we agree on a lot of things. "Whispers and Moans" is definitely the album's best track IMO, too. Also, I'm glad someone else loves "Fame Is" as much as I do! That song is such a fantastic burst of energy; it's definitely one of my favorite Crowded House songs and for my money better than the majority of Woodface.

OTOH, "Weather With You" is quickly becoming my least favorite CH song ever. It's never been a favorite, but when Neil actually skipped the sublime "In My Command" (and "It's Only Natural") in Austin to do yet another performance of that song... well, let's just say I don't need to hear WWY again for a long time.

It's always nice after "Tall Trees," though. Ah, the magic of Woodface.
Oh Kittybear - how could I forget Whispers & Moans??? Its one of my go-to songs when I need cheering up. Amazing track...I requested it for the London shows and it still sounds so fresh.
Scince Weather with you is one of my favourite songs of all time,I'd have to say that it's the best song on Woodface.

For me Woodface has a great collection of singles , but Together Alone is a better album.The exclusion of "You can Touch" however means it's not perfect!

I use to skip over Fame is , but I now love it!
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Originally posted by lavar78:
OTOH, "Weather With You" is quickly becoming my least favorite CH song ever. It's never been a favorite, but when Neil actually skipped the sublime "In My Command" (and "It's Only Natural") in Austin to do yet another performance of that song... well, let's just say I don't need to hear WWY again for a long time.

It's always nice after "Tall Trees," though. Ah, the magic of Woodface.


Totally agree Lavar, although it's a ray of sunshine, I don't see why WWY should be compulsory at every Crowdie gig, I suppose they play it for the greatest hits fans, but I wouldn't miss it if they retired it for a while.

You're also right about the transition between Tall Trees and WWY, it just works so well. Smiler
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Originally posted by BART:
Actually, Adidasman, my brother suffers from short-term memory loss problems so they thought the lyrics were rather appropriate.



Big Grin
Then it was a PERFECT choice. Wink Two of my dearest friends had Italian Plastic as their first dance song...
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
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Originally posted by lavar78:
OTOH, "Weather With You" is quickly becoming my least favorite CH song ever. It's never been a favorite, but when Neil actually skipped the sublime "In My Command" (and "It's Only Natural") in Austin to do yet another performance of that song... well, let's just say I don't need to hear WWY again for a long time.

It's always nice after "Tall Trees," though. Ah, the magic of Woodface.


Totally agree Lavar, although it's a ray of sunshine, I don't see why WWY should be compulsory at every Crowdie gig, I suppose they play it for the greatest hits fans, but I wouldn't miss it if they retired it for a while.

You're also right about the transition between Tall Trees and WWY, it just works so well. Smiler
I think the part where Tall Trees ends works especially well... Wink
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
I love Tall Tress and Fame is (they prove that the Finn's do "throw away" pop with such style that you just don't want to throw it away),

"love children of the new age
just a hippy with a weekly wage
There's no rebelion just a chance
to be lazy"

Great lyrics, fun yet insightful.

I'd also like to say good things about:

WWY which is pure sunshine.
4SI1D the only single that I never tire of regardless of how much it gets played.

Most significantly, from day one I've always adored Whispers and Moans, this song is such a classic and has always been my favourite album track on Woodface, it is a masterpiece and it's great CH still play it on tour.

Finally, any song that contains the lyric

"Gimme time, gimme time
Cos I want you to see
Round the world, round the world
is a tangled up necklace of pearls"

is something to be cherished, How will you go, to me is a truly uplifting spiritual song.

I guess Woodface was my first love, something not to be forgotten or taken for granted as life goes on. Smiler Smiler
Add All I Ask to your first two, and you have my least favorite songs on Woodface. To call those songs disposable is to be overly kind. That's what ultimately leaves Woodface toward the bottom of my CH album favorites list; too many substandard (by Neil Finn standards, anyway) songs.
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
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Originally posted by lavar78:
OTOH, "Weather With You" is quickly becoming my least favorite CH song ever. It's never been a favorite, but when Neil actually skipped the sublime "In My Command" (and "It's Only Natural") in Austin to do yet another performance of that song... well, let's just say I don't need to hear WWY again for a long time.

It's always nice after "Tall Trees," though. Ah, the magic of Woodface.


Totally agree Lavar, although it's a ray of sunshine, I don't see why WWY should be compulsory at every Crowdie gig, I suppose they play it for the greatest hits fans, but I wouldn't miss it if they retired it for a while.

But it wasn't even a hit here! Argh! I believe WWY is the only song I've heard at every single Finn show I've attended (2 Neil, 1 Tim, 4 Finn Brothers, and 7 Crowded House).
Well I love How Will You Go, She Goes On, Fall At Your Feet & Four Seasons. Wink

As 'albums' go, I personally favour Together Alone, Time On Earth & Intriguer FAR above Woodface



*Ducks for cover
I actually bought Woodface because last time in Brussels, they played Whispers & Moans. It's still my favourite song of the album.
No need to duck, Finngirl. As much as I adore Woodface, I prefer Together Alone, Temple of Low Men, Intriguer, and Time on Earth. But there is no such thing as a bad (or even average) Crowded House album to me. They're all excellent.

And chris1412 is yet another fan dazzled by "Whispers and Moans" in concert. I still say that should be the song they play every night. It showcases the entire band more.
Another vote for Whispers and Moans. I was well chuffed when they played it in Hammersmith last year. They also did an excellent version of Chocolate Cake which was so much better than the recorded version it was unreal!
I know that a number of people enjoy it, so I'm very likely in s small minority, but wish I could embrace CC. It just comes across for me as a bit too campy and kitschy and trying too hard to be clever for its own good. I still enjoy listening to Woodface a great deal.

A good sign that you're not enjoying or have tired of a song is when you hear it in-concert and feel disappointment/regret and cheated by the thought of any of the outstanding material in the catalog that could've been played, but was missed out on because of that song receiving an airing. CC does it for me (as do perhaps some others across the full body of work, but it's fortunately a very small number). Sounds as though WWY does it for a few others posting in this thread.

Speaking of WaM, I adore it, as well, and particularly live. Other favorites include ION, FaYF, FSiOD, and HWYG. I can't quite place it alongside the songs above, but perhaps because it falls under the radar, seem to enjoy hearing it.
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Originally posted by adidasman:
Add All I Ask to your first two, and you have my least favorite songs on Woodface. To call those songs disposable is to be overly kind. That's what ultimately leaves Woodface toward the bottom of my CH album favorites list; too many substandard (by Neil Finn standards, anyway) songs.


So did you fall out of a Tall Tree as a child? Wink Adidasman, or were you attacked by a Hippy (with a weekly wage)? Wink

Tall Trees and Fames is are to use a phrase you are rather fond of "good little pop songs", nothing earth shattering (I know) but then not all songs are written to be as durable as I feel Possessed, Whispers and moans, or Fingers of Love.

However, what they do have is energy, intensity and to some degree wit, they are a quick dose of musical caffeine in between more substantial tracks that give the album pace.

So why use the word "substandard", why not just admit that these songs don't work for you and explain why?

On the plus side I do agree with you about All I ask, that one doesn't fit into the album at all.

In fact I would go further and suggest the running of the last 5 tracks on Woodface does not work too well and that All I ask should have been an Afterglow track and Fame is could have been moved further down the running order to stop that latter tracks from dragging.
I wish I could remember where and when Eddie Rayner said (obviously I paraphrase) that there's nothing like the Finns together on one track, and that for me, as first and foremost an Enz fan, is the special thing about Woodface. Temple is still my favourite Crowded House album but there's so much on Woodface to love. Its origins as the proto-Finn Bros album are clear, but Hessie and Nick in the mix, bliss.
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Originally posted by milkit1:
Im surprised by some comments on here. i always thought Woodface was the unquestionable crowded house masterpiece. I always felt liek Neil could put together a 75% great album and the addition of Tim was what put this over.
Some of us consider Tim's involvement the biggest problem with Woodface... Wink

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