
Maybe it'll be interesting to collect information on the evolution of some songs in one place.
Michael
quote:Originally posted by Fellschnuffel:
Jane Maddick's "Am I Big Enough" (written by Tim)
quote:Originally posted by AGM155:
The most instantly recognisable of Tim's is a little section of melody from Remember When, Glide, Say It Is So, and it also appears quite subtly in the chorus of Can't Do Both.
Unsinkable started life as a demo in 1993 called He's in Love.
quote:Originally posted by Shadowman:
And then there is the reuse of songtitles as album titles. Feeding the Gods named after a line in Some dumb reason on the album Say it is so, and the song Say it is so appears on Feeding the Gods. And then Imaginary Kingdom and the song Imaginary Kingdom on the following album the conversation. Whatever the next album of Tim is there should be a song named the Conversation on it.
quote:Originally posted by Fellschnuffel:
I noticed how Tim recycled part of the melody for his own song "Rest" (the "Rest your weary head you 20th century" line).
Michael
quote:
Tim confirmed in an interview circa:IK that the music for "Unsinkable" was in fact 20 year old. Was "He's In Love" the 1st lot of attributed lyrics?
Hi all there!
Getting into a somewhat closer acquaintance with Tim’s music, I have the following correspondences to add to your list:
„Salt to the Sea” (Hester’s memory piece). A considerable part of this song must have been written much earlier than Imaginary Kingdom. A different version of the song appears on Wendy Matthews 1994 album, The Witness Tree, with a title „Standback”, a very interesting, gospel-like performance. All this, of course, doesn’t detract from Tim’s merit in dedicating a song, although in a rewritten form, to the memory of Paul.
„The Flavour of Forever”, a song from the 1987 movie La Donna della Luna (starring Greta Scacchi) has close resemblances, chiefly in the verses, to the song „Timmy” on Tim’s 1986 album, Big Canoe. There may have been a demo that found its way earlier to the movie than to the album? Or the song has been changed for the special purposes of the movie?
„Can’t Be Found” on Tim’s latest album, The View Is Worth The Climb must be a reworked version of his „Mockery / Making a Mockery” from 1992, with a different lyrics (perhaps due to his cowriting it with Azcona). This has already been mentioned, I think, in another thread of the forum.
In Truss Dance from the Steel city soundtrack the melody of Horizon is heard at 2.38 in the track.
Interesting to hear the track from Wendy Matthews, sounds good.
Thanks Shadowman, I will go through these subtle similarities.
Meanwhile, I have uploaded on Youtube the two songs from the movie La Donna Della Luna in my own rip, one of them being "The Flavour of Forever". You're all welcome to watch and listen:
A next link in the chain of this haunting melody is the instrumental piece "Lament", now. Listen: http://www.reverbnation.com/timfinn/songs
New Friends is either a recycle of Sunset Swim or an early version of it.
I myself wishing to turn into an "angel" somehow, now have ripped from the vinyl and share this rare piece on the following link:
http://audiour.com/playlist/f2qlpul5
Informations on the release are available at:
http://www.45cat.com/record/jmrs19881
Enjoy!
Wonder if there is a demo of Tim singing "Big Enough" floating around?
Thanks for putting this up, Budbud! You're an indeed!
"Not Made Of Stone" and "Some Dumb Reason" share the melody of their verses, as was remarked here and there before.
The melody of the first lines of "Mood Swinging Man" and "In Your Sway" seems more or less identical. See the earlier topic: https://www.frenzforum.com/topic/not-made-of-stone
New Friends is either a recycle of Sunset Swim or an early version of it.
Camus, once you mentioned the correspondence of a Harlequin demo with one of the songs from Les Patterson. Could you precise it for me?
I had a listen to the demos and I've found certain suspicions but I'm not sure. Maybe "You And Your Long Lost Lover" and "Strange Weather"? The same key and style, at least.
Or "Clumsy" and "Everybody's Jumpy"? Although "Clumsy" has not remained only a demo but was also released on Corroboree. Still there is some resemblance.
The verse of "Nothing Unusual" (Anthology extra song) came to be the verse of "People Like Us" (The View Is Worth The Climb).
Really interesting that it's been unnoticed!
"Tomorrow Becomes Today" in Ladies in Black has the same melody for the verses as Katie Noonan's "Never Know Your Luck" which was co-written by Tim.
Tenuous Steel City link... Which of the tracks has Tim on lead vocal and is the B-side (Raise) of the single worth pursuing?
Tracks with Tim on lead vocal: Steel City, Spirit Level, Drop Out, Rock And Roll Girl, Where I Live, Road Trip, Glide, seven in all.
The B-side Raise is a short instrumental guitar track.
The origin of the melody of Tim's "Rest" (1999) and "The Lullaby of Lonely Lions" (1994) as well as Jane Maddick's "Am I Big Enough" (1988) goes at least as far back as 1978, since it was played in the same form during the Nineez rehearsals. It also has some connections with the verse part of the Finn Brothers song "Disembodied Voices" (2004).
For a listen, see the link "Catherine Wheels/Disembodied Voices (early sketches)":
The beginning and end of "In love with it all" remind me of the intro/outro of "Weather with you". Does that count?
These two songs ("In Love With It All" and "Weather With You") really have a close similarity, which so far has escaped me.
Now that the full album "Fiery Maze" is available, at least three recycling components can be added:
Like Janis > Clarity Begins At Home (White Cloud)
Ballarat > Unsinkable (Imaginary Kingdom)
This Moment > Say It Is So (Feeding The Gods)
This latter motif points as far back as Split Enz "Remember When" (1983), and coming back again and again in different forms.
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