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I'm sure others here came across this article last week (as did I). Still, I can't help but wonder what was discussed during the interview, for the author to make such a bold statement (especially the part bolded in red):

'...an attempt to record a follow-up to 2010’s Intriguer a few years prior to that was such a fiasco that Finn decided to shelve the entire project.'

Does anyone else think maybe this was the beginning-of-the-end for the previous lineup?

I went back and re-watched some of the 2016 ENCORE performance, and as great as they were, they don't come close to the 2021 To The Island show...

BTW - during the To The Island show, Neil paid Mitchell Froom a compliment about the Organ solo on Don't Dream It's Over, and in doing so kind of threw Mark under the bus. Something along the lines of 'Nobody else could pull it off' or 'nobody else ever came close'.

youll never see the end of the road while your travelling with me...

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I think Neil is feeling sensitive about the decision to shelf Mark.  He is getting asked about the new lineup often and his answers lean towards justification.  Granted, shelving Mark was not popular in Finndom. Add to that, his kids are in the new lineup.  So I understand his sensitivity.  Anytime he can pump up the value of the new personnel, he will. I don’t see the comment as a slight towards Mark.

I’ve coached my daughter and that sensitivity quickly turned to justification despite her capability and earned opportunities.

As for the RS interview and the characterization of the post Intriguer sessions,  I would be interested in what happened.  How were those sessions such a fiasco. Was Matt not asked back for DAW or did he leave after the ARIA/Sydney shows?  One article on the lead-up to DAW states that Matt left the band in 2016.  His choice? Or Neil’s decision?  It was always peculiar to me that Neil did a solo Australian tour with Nick right after the Sydney shows.  No Matt.  No Mark.  (Elroy and Delaney Davidson filled out the band.)  It was a perfect time for Crowded House to tour Australia.  Head scratching

With that said, the group is reinvigorated and it shows on this album and the streamed To the Island concert.  

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I see this as a pretty simple matter - Neil Finn has always chosen who he wishes to play with to record the songs he writes. There is absolutely not a shred of proof there's any ill feeling from Matt or Mark - only people's reading into things said or not said.

He's been pretty clear that the attempted sessions after Intriguer didn't work. That is no slight on Mark or Matt. It's just a musical combination that didn't work for the person who writes the songs and has always signed off on every note played in making his songs turn out how he envisages them.

I give Neil enough credit to decide if this line up is an enjoyable and musically interesting line up. So far, based on a wide number of reviews, the consensus s it's a successful record and line up. There will always be some who don't like it, and who perhaps hanker for Woodface and Together Alone recycled , but for me, I relish the musical spreading of wings and new textures and to hear more great Neil Finn songs wrapped in new sonic textures.

I think the sessions they're referring to are the tracks with Nick Launay included on the Intriguer Deluxe Edition. They don't sound disastrous but certainly not very successful either. And there is surely other stuff they won't release which could be much worse.

As for Neil complimenting Mitchell, I think he's just recognizing that Mitchell has a particular way of playing which nobody else can quite capture. Seems like a stretch to say that's a slight on Mark or anyone else.

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@sinner62 posted:

I see this as a pretty simple matter - Neil Finn has always chosen who he wishes to play with to record the songs he writes. There is absolutely not a shred of proof there's any ill feeling from Matt or Mark - only people's reading into things said or not said.

He's been pretty clear that the attempted sessions after Intriguer didn't work. That is no slight on Mark or Matt. It's just a musical combination that didn't work for the person who writes the songs and has always signed off on every note played in making his songs turn out how he envisages them.

I give Neil enough credit to decide if this line up is an enjoyable and musically interesting line up. So far, based on a wide number of reviews, the consensus s it's a successful record and line up. There will always be some who don't like it, and who perhaps hanker for Woodface and Together Alone recycled , but for me, I relish the musical spreading of wings and new textures and to hear more great Neil Finn songs wrapped in new sonic textures.

As Genius Neil is, he had some strange, if not understandable, decisions in his career. F.e. he did fire and then (after insistings of Paul) re-integrate Nick in CH during the pre-Woodface era.

Or he called the band quits after TA, after Sessions for the 5th Album, which - in my opinion and what we today know and can listen to these songs of the „lost 5th Album - would have been a killer. A lot of these songs are in minimum as good as TA… Anthem, Spirit of the Stairs, Instinct (rawer version) and a lot others.

so, Neil is the boss snd Songwriter. But that doesn’t mean his decisions were always the best ones. At least for me as a fan.

@Patrick posted:

so, Neil is the boss snd Songwriter. But that doesn’t mean his decisions were always the best ones. At least for me as a fan.

But within these decisions are surely hundreds of contextual details which we don't know, and never will know. I've also been critical of some decisions but really, we're second guessing from afar with incomplete information. That won't stop us of course but it's worth keeping in mind

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