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My copy arrived 2 days ago... and it was definitely worth the $10!

Like the idea of using recycled materials for the digipack, but I couldn't get over how many errors were made by the typesetter... You'd think in this day and age he could have used a computer instead of a typewriter (backspace key anyone?!?)...

Love the two live tracks recorded in Austin, TX at "Out the Wood Work". Anyone know the date these were recorded? Both versions are as good as - if not better - than the studio versions.

As for Rock & Roll Girl... is it the same version of the song that appeared on the 1998 Steel City soundtrack? (I'm yet to find that). And if it was recorded 10 years ago then how the hell can it be dedicated to his FIVE year old daughter?

Don't mind the collaboration with Regurgitator... can anyone shed some light on what the exact year was? And was it ever released as a b-side or anything? Also, anyone know which sessions Pulled it all Down was recorded in?

Very good version of Throw Your Arms Around Me... wasn't sure I'd like a Tim-vocals version as much as Neil or Mark Seymour's but it is pretty damn awe$ome I must say!
Secret God wrote:
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Like the idea of using recycled materials for the digipack, but I couldn't get over how many errors were made by the typesetter... You'd think in this day and age he could have used a computer instead of a typewriter (backspace key anyone?!?)...


I hope you're joking SG? Razzer

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Very good version of Throw Your Arms Around Me... wasn't sure I'd like a Tim-vocals version as much as Neil or Mark Seymour's but it is pretty damn awe$ome I must say!


I nearly melt every time I hear this song - so of course I have to keep playing it. Big Grin

I ordered through the Club and through Periscope, so I'm well covered. Wink
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Originally posted by Texas Rose:
hope you're joking SG? Razzer

Yes... I can assure you I was 100% kidding. But reading back what I wrote I guess I didn't make it too clear at all lol. In fact I've never even used a typewriter...

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I nearly melt every time I hear this song - so of course I have to keep playing it. Big Grin
Can't say I "melt" or anything but it is a pretty fantastic version... one of the best non-Seymour ones I've heard.

But it's got me wondering why this was even recorded at all... I doesn't sound "demo-like", and it also doesn't sound much like a "Finn Brothers" 1990 song... I can barley hear Neil in it (which doesn't shoot the Finn Bros theory down at all, I just thought that if it was ever planned for the 1991 Finn Brothers album - or even Woodface - that Neil would have had a greater amount of vocal time. To me it sounds as if it might have been recorded for the "Tim Finn" album as a potential single. Obviously the linear notes set the record straight but it's got me wondering why it was shafted back then after such a polished mix...
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Originally posted by Secret God™:
Love the two live tracks recorded in Austin, TX at "Out the Wood Work". Anyone know the date these were recorded? Both versions are as good as - if not better - than the studio versions.

I thought it would have been recorded when he played at the Cactus Cafe on February 19, 2008. Failing that it would have been during his previous time in the US where he did a lot of small radio promos, namely May 2007.

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As for Rock & Roll Girl... is it the same version of the song that appeared on the 1998 Steel City soundtrack? (I'm yet to find that). And if it was recorded 10 years ago then how the hell can it be dedicated to his FIVE year old daughter?.


If you read up this has already been answered that it is the same version. Obviously it wasn't dedicated to her then but is now, simple!

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Don't mind the collaboration with Regurgitator... can anyone shed some light on what the exact year was? And was it ever released as a b-side or anything? Also, anyone know which sessions Pulled it all Down was recorded in?


It was a b-side for What You've Done. Offhand I think it was done around 2001.

Pulled it All Down was part of Tim's submission to his local Council to help save the old theatre there. It probably wasn't recorded as part of any sessions per-se.

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Originally posted by Secret God™:
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Originally posted by Texas Rose:
hope you're joking SG? Razzer

Yes... I can assure you I was 100% kidding. But reading back what I wrote I guess I didn't make it too clear at all lol. In fact I've never even used a typewriter...


*phew* looked pretty deadpan when I read it, and I usually know sarcasm when I see it.

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But it's got me wondering why this was even recorded at all... I doesn't sound "demo-like", and it also doesn't sound much like a "Finn Brothers" 1990 song... I can barley hear Neil in it (which doesn't shoot the Finn Bros theory down at all, I just thought that if it was ever planned for the 1991 Finn Brothers album - or even Woodface - that Neil would have had a greater amount of vocal time. To me it sounds as if it might have been recorded for the "Tim Finn" album as a potential single. Obviously the linear notes set the record straight but it's got me wondering why it was shafted back then after such a polished mix...


No, it was definitely done in Murchison Street when the brothers were doing stuff, some of which ended up on Before and After, in which Neil's backing vocals feature very prominently. This prompts me to ask why on earth should you expect it to be so in this? I actually think it makes a pleasant change for stuff recorded during that time to actually have Tim's voice at the fore.
Cheers... appreciate all that information.
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Originally posted by mummakook:
I thought it would have been recorded when he played at the Cactus Cafe on February 19, 2008. Failing that it would have been during his previous time in the US where he did a lot of small radio promos, namely May 2007.
The linear notes say "early 2008" so I'm guessing the date you specified must be the correct one... thanx. I like to sort all the live material I've acquired by exact date if I can.

Didn't realise I missed the discussion about Rock N Roll Girl... thought I read right thru this thread! Makes sense now!
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It was a b-side for What You've Done. Offhand I think it was done around 2001.
Ah yes it was on that EP... didn't think to check that with Wikipedia! Guess (as the linear notes say) it was recorded in either 1998 or 1999 but held back until the What You've Done EP in 2001...
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Pulled it All Down was part of Tim's submission to his local Council to help save the old theatre there. It probably wasn't recorded as part of any sessions per-se.
Don't suppose you'd know when it was recorded though? Anyone remember when the theater was pulled down?

Regarding Throw Your Arms Around Me, I actually meant to say it sounds like the B&A album, not the TF album... got the album titles moxed up for a second there... my mistake! I'm actually quite happy to hear a Neil/Tim collaboration with Tim taking the lead vocals to tell you the truth. Makes for a change. Plus there's already enough Neil versions of the song!

Thanks heaps for your answers mummakook.
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Thanks heaps for your answers mummakook.
No worries, good to know that even when I'm working totally on memory I can freak myself with my knowledge!

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Guess (as the linear notes say) it was recorded in either 1998 or 1999 but held back until the What You've Done EP in 2001...

Definitely 1999 then I think. I actually almost wrote that in my original post because it was sticking in my head as well, but didn't know if it made much sense for me to say 2001 or 1999.


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Don't suppose you'd know when[/i] it was recorded though? Anyone remember when the theater was pulled down?


I'm pleased to report that the theatre the submission was done for was actually saved and is now all refurbished should be well and truly operational again (every time I was there in 2006 the opening date kept getting pushed back and I've been too busy or preoccupied to check it to check it out the last few times I've been there).

The theatre mentioned in the song was actually His Majesty's Theatre in downtown Auckland (where Split Enz had played in the early-mid 70s), which was pulled down in 1988, met by much anger.

Now from memory again the submission was made during the first half of 2006, and I seem to recall reading somewhere that Tim hadn't really rehearsed the song or anything. Listening to the rarities version one almost wonders if that was the time he sang it to the Council, which would be pretty cool. Whatever the case I think it'd be safe to say that it's a 2006 recording, because I don't think he did anything more on it after IK was in the making.
I'm a sucker for the rare/unreleased stuff, currently awaiting my club disc.

On the subject of unreleased I've got a Tim disc called "Still Life Demos" the track list is

Funny way
Dont break down
Hes in love
Secret heart
Things i never had
Try something
walk you home
Hardly here at all
Persuasion
Hit the ground running
One side only

Wondered if anyone "in the know" could give me a bit more info on these sessions and do you think these might see an official release at any point now that Tim is releasing some of his demos.

Andy
Thought I'd respond to a few things mentioned here, sorry we have been away for the month.

A big thank you to the two people who actually emailed me and ASKED about the costs before lynching us on line (appreciated).

1/ no this was never ever mentioned as club only release. The club was to get 100 and most went out to members who live in fairly remote areas (and some net free). Example two copies have now gone to India which is great, China, Russia etc.
If something is a club ONLY release it will say CLUB ONLY.

2/ Costing has been a problem on this for us for two reasons. 1/ the stock has to be flown in Express. As the majority of fans who sent in their sheets before we went away for the month had their copies mailed out before we left (the mail out date was Aug 22nd- we sent them on July 21st-stayed up till 4.00 in the morning getting these done). Obviously if sheets came in after we left they couldn't be sent and really it DID say on the original VIP email that they were going out August 22nd...because we were away so Flagmeister etc if you would of read our original email where it said the 22nd you wouldn't needed to post of the 9th!!!

We also had to pay tax, overseas postage (registered or card confirmation) cd mailers etc. You'll find that USA Express and Aussie Post did very well from this.

The 100 for the club have to be purchased from Tim, we are not the people getting these done ourselves (and it was never mentioned that the club was) so obviously it's not at cost.

It's just one of those things and there is no way around it. My main concern was to get as many out before we left- and all forms that arrived before we left were taken care of (except for 2 who didn't tick what they were ordering). The rest were done when we returned, the latest 2 days after the date we said.

Even now I honestly have no idea how many copies Tim had done but I'm assuming the run is VERY small. Tim's Myspace area has had around 177,000 visitors so you'd like to think that the one off run has or will run out fast.

When we did the VIP email we only knew that some were possibly being sold at some US shows. We had very little other info (even the cds existence was only known to us 2 days before).
Whatever price Tim wishes to sell his CDs for really is up to him. The rpice for this will probably vary- IF there is stock left and sold at venues depending on %'s I'm sure the price will be different at a few of those too.

We have to take in all the costs (previously mentioned) and yes it sucks that the postal/express service makes the bulk but there is no other option. Some things are out of our hands.

Yes Texas Rose we had little warning, 2 days before the VIP. My main aim was for fans to get the email before we left as we knew we only had the 100 and I was more concerned people would miss out if we sent something when we returned a month later.

Message Girl, you seem to forget that when Tim s signed copy was mentioned through the club there was never even any talk of any bonus copy of Imaginary Kingdom- it didn't exist. The club mentions an item, tells you what it is. If there is a bonus (like Luton) we mention it. I'm not sure how we were suppose to mention a bonus edition Imaginary Kingdom when at the time there wasn't one or one being discussed- I'm sorry thats incredibly unfair.

Anyway the two fans that emailed me on this- thanks.

Really appreciated.

Gryph
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As the majority of fans who sent in their sheets before we went away for the month had their copies mailed out before we left (the mail out date was Aug 22nd- we sent them on July 21st-stayed up till 4.00 in the morning getting these done).
Wow, then you sent more than a few. Big thanks for your efforts Gryph!
Yeah pretty much most of the ones that arrived before we left- it actually takes awhile to package even 50 cds- as we log everything in, fill in those green customs forms and john hoWARds silly anti terrorist orange stickers (how many terrorists are honestly going to fill in 'contents a bomb' on the green form?) *GRIN*.

Just wanted to get as many out to exotic locations before we flew out and a month early for most was a positive thing.

Gryph.

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