I recently decided to separate Woodface into the original Finn album and original 3rd CH album. What a revelation, they work really really well. For the Finn album I added Catherine Wheels from TA, and In Love With It All and Strangeness and Charm from Before and After. Strangeness and Charm is the only one that doesn't really fit, I was tempted to use the original demo (as I think it's a much better song) but the quality jump would have made it fit even less. Also the reason why I didn't include Prodigal Son. I was a track short, and as the harmonies by Tim are so beautiful and it fits so well I added She Goes On (to make this conform with the other two albums, they all have a Neil Finn solo track on them Smiler )

01 Tall Trees
02 Weather With You
03 Four Seasons In One Day
04 Chocolate Cake
05 It's Only Natural
06 How Will You Go
07 In Love With It All
08 There Goes God
09 Strangeness and Charm
10 Catherine Wheels
11 She Goes On
12 All I Ask

I then grabbed afterglow to complete the CH album:
01 Doctor Livingstone
02 Sacred Cow
03 Whispers and Moans
04 Fall At Your Feet
05 Fame Is
06 Anyone Can Tell
07 Italian Plastic
08 Time Immemorial
09 As Sure As I Am
10 Left Hand
11 My Telly's Gone Bung
12 I Love You Dawn / I'm Still Here

Not exactly the track list in SSS, but I don't have a couple of those songs (eg: Fields Are Full of Your Kind) but they are all from around the time of woodface, and makes a great album. The big thing I noticed was Tim's presence on the CH album, he's singing high backing vox on Fame Is and Fall At Your Feet, and playing acoustic on Fall At Your Feet (Hi Jeremy, you were quite right, listening to it again it does actually sound a lot like Tim Smiler ) and I think I heard him on Italian Plastic as well, maybe not.... Made me appreciate these songs a whole lot more putting them into this context. I chose the tracklist, the CH one is actually based on the track list of TOLM. Interested to know what others think.............

JAFFA.... have you heard ALL the Murchison Street Demos? I'm very curious to know if a demo for Tall Trees and All I Ask were recorded there. I know a song called (I think) Cemetry in the Rain was recorded, and that a recording of Throw Your Arms Around Me may have been recorded. Also wasn't there a more 'rootsy' version of a solo Tim song recorded there as well?
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Yeah - nice one.

I have a couple of queries, tho'. If you read the Afterglow sleeve, are you sure that all those tracks were from the Woodface sessions? And also... you forgot my favourite non-album track of all... Legs are Gone, which was demoed for Woodface.

Chris.
Yeah, fantastic topic Camus. In fact I had already planned to create a b-grade hardcore fan-only bootleg with full on cover art, loosely based on what the 1990 Finn Brothers album originally intended to be like.

I urge everyone interested in Camus's gph-esque post & the subsequent replies to check out Finnatics' (direct link) page dedicated to the original 1989 sessions. The page also mentions another supposed Finn Brothers song recorded in those same sessions, The Sound Of Truth (No, not Phil Judd's Sound Of Trees). Was this ever released in any form by either brother?

And yep, Cemetry In The Rain (another unreleased Finn Brothers song) was fully recorded & nearly released on the latest misc. Enz related fanclub CD, I Like It Rare.

Then there's other 'Neil solo' songs recorded in the other non-Finn Brothers sessions that are rarley spoken of. Those being:

I Can't Stand It (already mentioned by Camus)
Convent Girls (the ultimate unreleased recording)
Flowers in Bloom
I Can't Face It
Money's No Object
(like CG, the live version rules!)

And yeah, i'll second CJ's nit picking... Camus, WHERE IS MY LEGS ARE GONE?!?!?. It would be a sin to leave it off!

Speaking of sins, what's the latest inside information (anyone?) on the unreleased untitled 1989 / 1990 / 1991 Neil Finn song also of that era, with the lyrics being "she picked up from where she left off... with the clothes she wore... describe what that vicar saw... explained to everyone present... flirting with the priest" - because it's a frickin' classic!!!

Last thing: I was sure I posted a massive list of all the Woodface-era songs on here a while back, but a search won't find it for me... If anyone does remember a thread where we were discussing the 1980 / 1990 recordings, and happens to find it, please post the link to it here! Big Grin
Well, Legs Are Gone is not on there because............. I don't have a copy of it Smiler And I thought it was pretty lame when I did hear it but that was a few years ago Smiler I'm pretty sure they are all recorded between TOLM and TA, the afterglow sleeve notes that Left Hand was recorded during the TOLM sessions, though there is a rough list of songs for the 3rd album in SSS and it lists Left Hand. Recurring Dream nearly made it, but it was recorded in 1987, even though I think it was used as a B side around the time of Woodface. To me Woodface sounds like what it is, 2/3 of one album pasted into 1/3 of another album, and doesn't gel as a whole for me. The CH songs from Woodface tend to get buried on Woodface, whereas they really seem to shine when put with the other CH songs from the time.

Money's No Object, isn't that a live cover? COnvent Girls, well I only had a live version of it, otherwise it would be on there. ISTR there is a studio version that was considered for I Like It Rare 2, or am I halucinating?
actually according to the excellent Chris Bourke book, there was a track listing for the first aborted Woodface sessions/CD. I'll check my copy tonight and list it here tomorrow. It's close to the second track list you came up with!

I've heard lots of criticism about the final Woodface product and I don't understand it. People think it's "over produced" and according to the book the CH management team thought it was too long and not cohesive. I personally think this is one of the all-time best albums out there. The more Finn tracks the better I say...

I still play it regularly and never tire of it. At first I didn't appreciate Tim's contribution, but let's face it - it was huge and a big part of the success of that album. If they had gone with the original record, it would have sounded and looked alot like "Afterglow"
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Originally posted by Camus:
[qb] JAFFA.... have you heard ALL the Murchison Street Demos? [/qb]
No, I haven't been through Neil's post-Enz tapes. Time hasn't allowed it so far, but I'd like to sort through them sometime in the next year or so, unless Neil's already got someone else to do it.
I just tried the above link from Secret God that links to Finnatics and found it defaulting to the home page untranslated. Here is the working link that has a very high entertainment value... Smiler "Neil fired Nick" is translated as "Neil fired nods" (huh?), "Since we were two" as "Since we were too second", and the grammar is atrocious. It even messes with English... "In Love With It All" is now "In Love With It universe". But at least you can see the song lists...
Hehe yeah, some of those translations are a bit messed up! The reason I referred to the translated (to English) version of the page was basically due to the majority of our members being English speakers. And secondly, the link back to the original version of the page could also be found directly in the top frame, so it's not as if people will become too confused.
Gav,

The Woodface bonus CD, if I remember correctly is missing quite a few songs that were FINN era B-Sides - Strangeness and Charm, In Love With It All, Catherine Wheels, Prodigal Song and I think even There Goes God were all absent.
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Originally posted by Semi-Detached:
Just out of curiosity: the Woodface bonus disc...does it contain the same demos that appeared as B-sides to the 'Suffer Never' and 'Angel's Heap' singles?

I don't know which demos were the b-sides to Suffer Never and Angel's Heap, but this is the tracklisting of the Woodface bonus disc:

* Weather With You
* Four Seasons
* It's Only Natural
* Chocolate Cake
* How Will You Go

(All original demos)

Smiler
Jaffaman quote "The B-sides are still available on eBay, etc. And the original 8-track reels and various mixes are in Neil's archive."

Hmmm which B sides cd?
This was labelled as Neil, but more Crowdies I thought.

When were they recorded?

Can't carry on
Recurring Dream Ricky and Pete Sndtrk version
Recurring Dream Tequila Sunrise Sndtrk version
Dr Livingstone
Anyone Can Tell
You Can Touch
Zen Roxy
I Am In Love
Not the Girl you think you are
Instinct
Everything is Good for You
Ferrington guitar solo
Don't Dream its Over acoustic
Tokyo
She Comes Scattered
808 Song
Identical Twin
I can See Clearly
Family Ties
Log Drums

With thanks to the mighty www.somethingsofinn.com

Suffer Never CD 1
Suffer Never (3:58)
Strangeness & Charm (demo) (3:07)
In Love With It All (demo) (3:04)
Four Seasons In One Day (demo) (2:36)

Suffer Never CD 2
Suffer Never (3:58)
Prodigal Son (demo) (3:03)
Catherine Wheels (demo) (2:57)
Weather With You (demo) (3:07)

Angels Heap CD 1
Angels Heap
It's Only Natural (demo)
Chocolate Cake (demo)

Angels Heap CD 2
Angels Heap
There Goes God (demo)
How Will You Go (demo)
What a fantastic idea,i'm only just getting to grips with my computer at the moment,when i am more advanced i will try and do my own "Best Of".
Where to start though,so many great songs/cd's to choose from.
"Stuff And Nonsence" is definatly going to be on it,it was the first Enz song i ever heard.
Actually, quite a while ago, I did the same thing, making an Original Woodface and Original Finn (what a clever title!). Since I only had the Woodface Finn songs, that one was a bit streamlined. But the Original Woodface worked out very well. However, I took a different approach to you, preferring to preserve the track listings of both Woodface and Afterglow, inserting the tracks from the latter into the Tim/Neil track spaces in the former.

1. Sacred Cow
2. I Love You, Dawn
3. Fall at Your Feet
4. Dr. Livingstone
5. My Telly's Gone Bung
6. Whispers and Moans
7. Anyone Can Tell
8. Fame Is
9. Left Hand
10. As Sure as I Am
11. Italian Plastic
12. She Goes On
13. Time Immemorial
14. I'm Still Here

("I'm Still Here" is on the end as a seperate track, to preserve the 14-trackness of Woodface )
ridethelapras posted:
Actually, quite a while ago, I did the same thing, making an Original Woodface and Original Finn (what a clever title!). Since I only had the Woodface Finn songs, that one was a bit streamlined. But the Original Woodface worked out very well. However, I took a different approach to you, preferring to preserve the track listings of both Woodface and Afterglow, inserting the tracks from the latter into the Tim/Neil track spaces in the former.

1. Sacred Cow
2. I Love You, Dawn
3. Fall at Your Feet
4. Dr. Livingstone
5. My Telly's Gone Bung
6. Whispers and Moans
7. Anyone Can Tell
8. Fame Is
9. Left Hand
10. As Sure as I Am
11. Italian Plastic
12. She Goes On
13. Time Immemorial
14. I'm Still Here

("I'm Still Here" is on the end as a seperate track, to preserve the 14-trackness of Woodface )

Love your playlist for "Original Woodface."  Do you recall the playlist for "Original Finn"?

It was just the Tim/Neil songs that were added to the Original Woodface, in the same order they were in on Woodface. viz:

  1. Chocolate Cake
  2. It's Only Natural
  3. Tall Trees
  4. Weather With You
  5. Four Seasons In One Day
  6. There Goes God
  7. All I Ask
  8. How Will You Go

So, yeah... It was really kinda lame. Although if one were so inclined, one could pad it out with "In Love With It All" and "Strangeness and Charm" from Tim's Before & After; which I always intended to do, but I never did end up acquiring Before & After myself, unfortunately. I mean, not that it's too late. To say nothing of the fact that it is almost 10 years since I made my particular reply about it, ahah.

 

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