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Whoa! Randomly came across this vid today on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EduAp7i7elo

What is the date of this video? I am in the U.S. and not privy to NZ Idol info, so sorry if this is old.

This is a variation of Sweet Home Alabama by the American group Lynard Skynard. What they sing is:

"I heard Neil Finn sing about us.
Well, I heard ole Neil put us down.
Well, I hope Neil Finn will remember.
An idol show don't need him around anyhow."

What's the deal with that? Did Neil turn them down or something?

I am sure Neil is not losing any sleep if that is the case.
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found a couple of news items on this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=100&o...ectid=10400595[/URL]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=100&O...ectID=10399450[/URL]

Looks like there is bad blood between NZ Idol and the Finns, Dave Dobbyn, Bic Runga, and Graham Brazier.

I have to say reading Runga's quote that she would rather "lick the inside of a toilet bowl than appear on NZ Idol" made me cry with laughter. That's funny!
Ahem..more to the point..
WHAT THE **** IS EDDIE RAYNER DOING THERE PLAYING THE KEYS !!!!! Mad
Obviously the man was short changed from the recent Aussie tour and needs to top up his pension fund Frowner

Split Enz got their break playing on a very much watered down version of that type of talent show feturing mostly ORIGINAL COMPOSITIONS by SINGER SONGWRITERS/BANDS...but that was 1973 NZ for God sake. The industry wasn't even an "industry" at that time, only the begining of one.
Jump forward to 2006...people singing covers backed by pro muso's and a **** hot sound system to apparently feature their "talent" (or lack of it)...am I alone or does that not seem like a HUGE step backwards??

Milking the COW , is that not what it's called Eddie??!

ps, not an attempt at sticking up for NF either btw !
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Eddie was originally asked to be a judge, but was apparently turned down after his audition for being to honest. They then asked him to help with the band etc.
If he was a judge I'm sure the level of talent that got through might have been better (but I doubt it), so I suppose he's doing what he can and at least making the music sound good!! :-)
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
the difference is that the Finns, Dave Dobbyn, Bic Runga and Graham Brazier have TALENT, while contestants from ANY country's idol (bar Kelly Clarkson, and she refused to go back to idol) have no talent whatsoever (watch Singapore idol for an extreme example of this)


I disagree. Kelly Clarkson doesn't have any talent, either.

-Comp
I never thought I say this but Kelly Clarkson does have recognisable talent. Just no idea on how to properly use it.

And there is some good talent on Idol (whatever country it is in). Trouble is that it never gets through because pre-pubescent girls vote for the "cute" one or the "young outsider" one regardless of if they have enduring talent that will last beyond six months. Maybe they should ban people under the age of 21 from voting.

BTW, I saw that Neil Finn quip on NZ Idol. I thought it was tongue in cheek to be honest. You finnaholics can be too sensitive!
The biggest problem with the Idol shows is they are mainly aimed at a teenage audience, so naturally it is the young 12-13-14 yr old girls that vote for the "cute" ones. Red Face Red Face Red Face
Another problem with the Idol shows is only the "Cute" & "Good-looking" contestants, pass the test to be on the show. It doesn't matter about talent anymore. You could be the most talented performer on the face of the earth, but if you are not considered to be cute or good-looking, forget it! You'll never pass the audition. On the other hand, you could have absolutely no talent whatsoever, but if you're cute, you'll qualify. Roll Eyes
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Apparently Tim Finn said he approved of talent shows, and was happy to have his songs used by the Idollers.


Yeah, I'll bet he likes the royalties!


Who the hell doesn't!! Wink


I think I remember Neil saying something once a bit tongue in cheek about Idol - who cares. He's entitled to his opinion as is Bic. Eddie gets paid for what he does so on Idol so I'm sure he's happy. It has it's place. Someone talented who never gets a chance to strut their stuff may get a bit of recognition and attention.
It's just a talent/popularity show. They've been around for decades. Remember New Faces?
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The biggest problem with the Idol shows is they are mainly aimed at a teenage audience, so naturally it is the young 12-13-14 yr old girls that vote for the "cute" ones.


And that's where the program makes it's money, from the 19xx landline # or the premium txt # to vote on. Just like most mobile phone services are targetted at teens. Look at the GPRS services the Australian service providers have, there's nothing really there worth downloading, it's all crap like ring tones, pretty pictures and games. The amount of conversations I've had with parents raging on about where has their kiddie's pre paid credit gone (usually they say it's the phone company ripping them off) and when you look at the call records, it's all gone on premium txt and gprs services like ringtones and logos. You really do feel like saying if your kids aren't responsible and don't read what they are downloading or subscribing to, they don't deserve to have a phone.

Um, that was a bit of a ranty tangent.... carry on chaps.
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Apparently Tim Finn said he approved of talent shows, and was happy to have his songs used by the Idollers.


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Yeah, I'll bet he likes the royalties!


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Who the hell doesn't!! Wink


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All performers have one thing in common... THEY'RE GREEDY!!! Razzer


Well, that's how they (mostly) earn their living, so fair enough I'd say. Also to get their music heard is no bad thing.

As for Idol, yep, it's aimed at the younger teenage market, and so it's bound to not appeal to the older market, just as programs aimed at the older market don't appeal to the younger market. Nothing wrong with that, surely? Smiler

At least it's not Big Brother Roll Eyes

And I don't suppose Neil or any of the other NZ musicians are particularly upset by being dissed by Idol - all just part of the Idol publicity machinery, no doubt. And we're talking about it, so it worked.
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Originally posted by hk:
At least it's not Big Brother Roll Eyes


THANK GOD!!! Big Grin

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And I don't suppose Neil or any of the other NZ musicians are particularly upset by being dissed by Idol - all just part of the Idol publicity machinery, no doubt. And we're talking about it, so it worked.[/QUOTE]

Any discussion is good discussion here. Big Grin More talking back and forth means more interest. Big Grin
N.F.ADDICT wrote:
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All performers have one thing in common... THEY'RE GREEDY!!! Razzer


With respect, I disagree with this statement. I expect to get paid for what I do to earn a living, and I don't consider myself greedy for that.

Perhaps the payment is excessive for what they're doing, or perhaps its not fair to the rest of us that some lucky souls who are exceedingly talented get to make a lot of money out of that talent. But they are entitled to earn a living Smiler

In any case, while someone is "dissing" Neil, or Tim, or anyone else, the one being dissed is getting publicity. And we all know what they say about that Wink With any luck the dissing will cause people watching the show to check out Neil's music. And if it doesn't, who cares? I bet Neil et al don't.

I don't like these idol shows myself, so I don't watch, but I wouldn't bag anyone else for choosing to. I wouldn't bag Eddie for being involved either. Rather than looking at the downside of it, perhaps Eddie looked at the upside, and decided that he wanted to be involved in discovering and bringing forth New Zealand talent. You can't blame a guy for that, if in fact that is the case.

People usually only bag you or diss you if they're jealous of you for some reason. There is a lot to be jealous of in Neil Finn. I think he should take the whole thing as a compliment. Big Grin
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please dont rubbish BIC, the qoute about the toliet bowl was from BOH RUNGA.

MUSIC CROSSES ALL INTERNATIONAL BARRIERS...


Hahahaha. When I started the original post, I thought "Boh" was a misprint of "Bic." I had no idea she had a sister who was a singer.

I was not familiar with Bic until she opened for the Finn Brothers in Washington D.C. in January 2005. She was great live.

How is Boh pronounced? Sounds like "bow"?
Wow, people really do get passionate about Idol, eh? I'm only familiar with our American version - I wouldn't say the contestants have no talent, on the contrary, most of the finalists have real chops when it comes to singing; however, my idea of good song interpretation is not to belt everything out at top volume while inserting as many melismas as the phrase can possibly bear Smiler

Still, there is an audience for that type of song, and there will always be singers who don't write their own songs, and songwriters who write for those singers. Love it or not, it's certainly not going away - these people get their 15 minutes of fame, the record companies make lots of money on the throw away pop star of the moment and the public gets entertained. I actually feel the most pity for the performers, I do feel they get exploited in all this, but I assume they are willing participants in that exploitation.

And just to keep things on topic, I think the dissing was just a bit of a joke really, from what I've seen and read in interviews, Eddie enjoys giving Neil a hard time on occasion, but it's all in fun (and he's a pretty funny guy!)
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NZ Idol takes itself way too seriously and probably considers itself to be a part of the top echelon of NZ popular music. They obviously aren't, but really aren't endearing themselves to serious music fans, which NZ has a lot of. Shows like Idol exist because I guess they need something to cater to teenyboppers with a short attention span.
There ARE some great talented artists on Idol ....

Kelly Clarkson, Anthony Callea (who, if you dont know, got a huge rap from Mr Pavarotti himself) just for starters ....... you might not like their music (people are entitled to their personal taste), but that doesnt change the fact that some of the ex-Idol contestants are excellent at their brand of music .....

OK .... some good looking only average kids get through .... for the teenage vratings market ...... and the 1999*** votings just for the cash ... etc, etc ....

Just because Idol descends into cheap marketing tactics doesnt reduce the talent / skill of the quality musicians who enter Idol!

A number of the Idol contestants are working musicians and / or music teachers. It's pretty much impossible to get a record contract these days. Idol's the only way some of these kids can get exposure, so why shouldnt they take the opportunity. The proof will be in 5 years after their Idol time has finished .... are they still here, or have they disappeared.

I say that the NZ Idol quip was probably just meant for fun, and if not, so what ..... as Rod Stewart once said ...... the only bad publicity is no publicity .....
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Originally posted by Texas Rose:
N.F.ADDICT wrote:
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All performers have one thing in common... THEY'RE GREEDY!!! Razzer


With respect, I disagree with this statement. I expect to get paid for what I do to earn a living, and I don't consider myself greedy for that.

Perhaps the payment is excessive for what they're doing, or perhaps its not fair to the rest of us that some lucky souls who are exceedingly talented get to make a lot of money out of that talent. But they are entitled to earn a living Smiler


TR, that was meant as a joke. Smiler It's not only MONEY that performers are greedy over. It's songs as well. Every time a new song comes out that says "HIT" all over it, every performer says to themselves "why could I have brought that out?" I heard that from Sir Cliff Richard and HE is a pro-performer. Smiler Not a Frenz-Releated musician though so I can't say anymore about him.
Now, back to the original topic. Smiler
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Originally posted by N.F.ADDICT:
The biggest problem with the Idol shows is they are mainly aimed at a teenage audience, so naturally it is the young 12-13-14 yr old girls that vote for the "cute" ones. Red Face Red Face Red Face
Another problem with the Idol shows is only the "Cute" & "Good-looking" contestants, pass the test to be on the show. It doesn't matter about talent anymore. You could be the most talented performer on the face of the earth, but if you are not considered to be cute or good-looking, forget it! You'll never pass the audition. On the other hand, you could have absolutely no talent whatsoever, but if you're cute, you'll qualify. Roll Eyes

You obviously haven't seen the 'American Idol' Big Grin. Man, are there some dogs or what? Ruben Studdard & Clay Aiken anyone? Yes, I am addicted to that show (as I spelled thier names corrctly without even having to look). It's like cheese that's so smelly, you just have to have a piece...and another...and another...
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Originally posted by theworldwhereyoulive:
Guys.. whats with all of the attacks on each other? It's fair enough to have differring views but this is just getting silly. C'mon, we're all frenz here.


ATTCKING EACH OTHER??? Eeker
Is that what we were doing? Red Face I thought all that we were doing was having a debate. Smiler
Differring views and opinions is what makes a topic interesting. Big Grin

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