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via NME: Neil Finn said that the song focuses on “waking up with the fear after last night’s revelry. We can all relate to that.”

That's interesting, as a lot of people on social media are reading it as anti-populist. I can certainly understand (and dig) that interpretation.

I also think of it as a sister song to another opener, Nobody Wants To, which in my mind was about the way we tiptoe around difficult or taboo subjects to our own demise.

With a few more listens, it's coming into focus and seems stronger than my first impression. I'm not really hearing the PJC comparison to be honest. The arrangement sounds modern and busy but still has a lot of the interplay I think of from Crowded House. My ear doesn't like the part at 1:40, something about the vocal styling there doesn't sit well.

The mix sounds really good (the reverb tail at the end is gorgeous!). It was mixed by David Boucher, a former assistant to Bob Clearmountain who has also worked with Mitchell Froom in the past. He's got the perfect pedigree, and it's really cool to see a young guy bridging the traditions of the past into the present...much like Finn's sons are doing.

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The current lineup is Neil Finn, Liam Finn (guitar, vocals?), Mitchell Froom (keyboards, production?), Nick Seymour and Elroy Finn (drums).

Gee, might as well just badge it as the Finn Family Band.

I guess Crowded House is just Neil & Nick & Whoever, and there's probably no point re-litigating the discussion about Mark and Matt, but the line has definitely got blurry between Neil's various projects.

Suppose it's the music that matters. This song is alright. I'm not wild about it but I don't dislike it either. Perhaps contrary to most people, I view "Saturday Sun" as one of Crowded House's best songs and it totally oversold the album for me, which is generally a little bland really. So I guess it would be better to be the other way around: a listenable but unremarkable lead single (i.e. this) and a consistently good album.

Anyway, what interests me the most is a tour and the setlist variation from night to night. Pity the border situation means it would be a gamble for me to grab some tickets for the NZ shows.

For a good number of years people in this forum (me included) have been pointing out neil’s music has lacked energy... there’s only so much toe tapping u can do to endless keyboard and string recordings.

So while it’s heartening to see  a return to an energetic hustle and with it a forceful vocal, im quite stunned at the complete lack of melody.

For a guy renowned, famed even, for his gorgeous melodies, particularly under the brand ‘crowded house’, this really is borderline tuneless.

A tortured and forced lyric designed to be repeated endlessly, it’s little wonder his grandson runs around the room singing it.

Frankly, It’s designed for a three year old.

ive listened to it about four times now and im struggling to get thru it.

and i dont understand why theyve gone once again for the muddied muted snare sound yet again. The production has liam’s fingerprints all over it.

i dunno ... im feeling completely whelmed by it all... certainly not ‘over’ but really decidedly ‘under’.

im not sure he has made a compelling argument about why i should care about CH3.0.

i look forward to the rest of the album but so far the concerns about an all singing all dancing finn family pajama band appear well founded.

I wouldnt be surprised if neil’s renowned inability to pick a lead single has again obscured ten other amazing songs on the album. God i hope so. Like everyone else here, i’ll be watching this space with great affection and high hopes. But he hasnt hooked me in again yet.

ps - im probly showing my age, but who is mac delmarco? Never heard of him til i saw him sitting on a toilet in a crowded house music video. There’s a sentence i never thought i’d be saying.

They played "Either Side of the World" every night of their 2016 Opera House shows. It's probably the best song on Intriguer, so good to see that it still gets an outing. It'll be interesting to see what from TOE and Intriguer gets included in the new set lists. But let's not kid ourselves, Crowded House is known world wide for their first four albums. Nothing Neil has done since or will do in the future is ever going to match the success of those albums. And there's nothing wrong with that. He knows that when he goes out touring as Crowded House, the expectation is that he will draw heavily from the original CH albums. Not because the other albums are bad, but because he built is fanbase off of those original albums, not on the reunion tours 10+ years later.

What's exciting is that Crowded House is back and that means new adventures, yes, but more than anything it means indulging nostalgia for all the fans of the original four albums. Whether it's at a live concert, a radio performance, or webcast, people will be talking about Crowded House and remembering Crowded House over the next year more than they have since at least the 2016 Opera House shows, if not since the release of Intriguer, over ten years ago.

Of course, I'd love it if everyone was thrilled by the new single but, even if you hate it, your favorite band is back and reviving all the incredible material that you originally fell in love with. Let the new album be a curiosity, but don't let it define the great nostalgic indulgences that lie ahead.

I think it will be really cool to see and hear Mitchell Froom play with Neil and Nick. He literally crafted the Crowded House sound with his own bare hands. I'm excited to see what he bring to the live shows. Nick, Neil, and Mitchell is a totally valid lineup for Crowded House, especially if what you love are the albums Mitchell produced. I love Mark Hart and Matt Sherrod, but I also trust Neil. Liam especially brings energy and great harmonies that were both lacking during the 2010 tour.

This is all easier for me to say because I transitioned from being a Crowded House fan to Neil Finn fan back in 1998. I see all his work as a single progression, all of which I just file under "Crowded House" in my iTunes. I haven't been disappointed by a Neil Finn release since Conflicting Emotions in 1983. I think the new album is going to be great!

I too have loved pretty much all of Neil's solo work. Great songs, great records. I've got tickets for London (where I live) which are meant to be valid for Summer 2021. So jealous of New Zealanders with real concerts, and crowds! My sister and her family live in Christchurch, and I have been known to Google how to emigrate, or even visit : )

Now that I know it is obviously about Trump, my love for the song has increased a few notches up.  I love the lyrics:

As crazy as a king As bent as a snake There are some things they will never ever say And people will tell you whatever you want Whatever you want To keep you in your place Hear the lying every day I see the same expressions on them How they long to speak their mind But something always stops them dead Should be shouting from the mountain At their top of their voice This is not right, this man is a fake But they will follow him down to the edge of the cliff And if he tells them to jump, They will jump right in Some people will tell you Whatever you want Whatever you want You got em well trained now Whatever you want.

Ok, after my 8th/ 10th listen I think I qualify to give my verdict.

First listen, I thought it was awkard. The melody and chords didn't seem to match up, and the lyric seemed too preoccupied with making its point about snake oil-salesman.

Now though, i think i've figured out what's going on. Enjoyment of this track relies upon you finding where the beat lies ("some people" landing on beats 3 and 4, and the beginning of the verse starts a new bar after a bar of 2/4, a little trick heard before the solo on one "Don't Dream It's Over"). This all ties up pretty nicely with the theme of the track, one about deceptive actors.

What i love about this track though is that it's the first track post re-formation that "sounds" like Crowded House. Is it their best tune? Not particularly, but the production flourishes (the semiquaver tin drums in the bass solo) seem essential to the song, unlike like the vocoder on "Saturday Sun" or the wah-wah pedal flourishes on Time On Earth.

What I love about this track most though is that it has a sense of fun to it, which the tracks on Time On Earth and Intriguer didn't. I also believe that we'll get a handful of tracks on the album that will stand among Crowded House's best.

Overall score, 7.5/10

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I saw the trailer fro the New Zealand tour the other day . For me Whatever You Want fitted in great with the other classic songs !.

What a great new single this is ! I wasn't sure if at 61/62 , Neil could still come up with something this catchy and commercial - but boy has he

Don't particularly get the strong Pajama Club similarities that some have suggested. Pajama Club was part of Neils journey where he's picked up some new sonic tricks, and they will inform some ongoing musical decisions,but apart from that...

The opening is very reminiscent of Saturday Sun ( a vastly underated single imo) As it continues though, I'm very aware of the sonic similarities to Crowded House circa '96. The drum and bass sounds of Everything Is Good For You and Instinct .

If the rest of the album is up to this standard - I can't wait ! Can't stop singing this song !

I think what Painaporo said is spot on.

Its almost impossible to judge an album on an opening track / lead song. Its big, bright, loud and bouncy. Somewhere I read someone describe it as Crowded Enz.... I liked that - it made sense to me. There is lots of fun in this song!

Gut feel is the album will be top - listening to the interview on double J, it sounds like a big 'up' of a record and I can understand why the sad songs and quiet songs might have maybe have been held back at the moment. The production is modernist... a little low fi, a few hints to the pajama club sound maybe. Can't wait for this record.

We have been incredibly spoilt and looked after by Neil and family this year with the daily shows, unheard demo's and a new Crowded House record. For those who aren't so sure right now - sometimes I find the new songs take a while to settle. Have given it a fair few listens since Wednesday evening. I was expecting WYW - I thought the new songs would be a big contrast to both Lightsleeper and Out of Silence. Hoping they sneak out another one soon for us :-)

With this song blatantly blasting Trump, i’m wondering what other times has Neil ventured into the political arena. I know he has voiced his political view in the past in terms of New Zealand politics. Knowing it is blasting Trump sends an extra energy into it, especially if you feel you want that “bent as a snake”, “fake” guy out of office. I guess Neil’s time in LA has enhanced his views on American politics. We can’t ignore the importance of this aspect of the song....

I think the one big thing learnt through all this globally is that we all have to work together as one. Things have gone extremely backward in the last 4 years. Also, the attitude of putting down people, denying experts, environmental etc has unfortunately seeped into the psyche of so many young people. Will take a long time to reverse that. Neil must have been so affected by that in his time in LA.

@Paināporo posted:

They played "Either Side of the World" every night of their 2016 Opera House shows. It's probably the best song on Intriguer, so good to see that it still gets an outing. It'll be interesting to see what from TOE and Intriguer gets included in the new set lists. But let's not kid ourselves, Crowded House is known world wide for their first four albums. Nothing Neil has done since or will do in the future is ever going to match the success of those albums. And there's nothing wrong with that. He knows that when he goes out touring as Crowded House, the expectation is that he will draw heavily from the original CH albums. Not because the other albums are bad, but because he built is fanbase off of those original albums, not on the reunion tours 10+ years later.

What's exciting is that Crowded House is back and that means new adventures, yes, but more than anything it means indulging nostalgia for all the fans of the original four albums. Whether it's at a live concert, a radio performance, or webcast, people will be talking about Crowded House and remembering Crowded House over the next year more than they have since at least the 2016 Opera House shows, if not since the release of Intriguer, over ten years ago.

Of course, I'd love it if everyone was thrilled by the new single but, even if you hate it, your favorite band is back and reviving all the incredible material that you originally fell in love with. Let the new album be a curiosity, but don't let it define the great nostalgic indulgences that lie ahead.

I think it will be really cool to see and hear Mitchell Froom play with Neil and Nick. He literally crafted the Crowded House sound with his own bare hands. I'm excited to see what he bring to the live shows. Nick, Neil, and Mitchell is a totally valid lineup for Crowded House, especially if what you love are the albums Mitchell produced. I love Mark Hart and Matt Sherrod, but I also trust Neil. Liam especially brings energy and great harmonies that were both lacking during the 2010 tour.

This is all easier for me to say because I transitioned from being a Crowded House fan to Neil Finn fan back in 1998. I see all his work as a single progression, all of which I just file under "Crowded House" in my iTunes. I haven't been disappointed by a Neil Finn release since Conflicting Emotions in 1983. I think the new album is going to be great!

I will certainly miss Mark but the 2010 shows were some of the most lacklustre Crowdies gigs if have seen. Am also hoping Liam will bring his vocal chops and add energy and some chaos to the proceedings - I  have a hunch that Nick is going to thrive playing with Elroy and Liam. Thanks for bringing some positivity about new line up and song (s) to the table!

Interesting. The 2010 shows were some of my favorites. But to each their own.

I wonder whether WYW would feel a little stronger with a different intro. Between the bass and the effect-laden vocals at the start it just feels harder than it should be to grab hold of. Once Neil’s lead vocal comes in, it’s a fun song with a good groove, but the first few seconds is a bit disorienting, I think.

Setlist watching is going to be fun if we end up with

WYW

WWY

WWYL

next to one another.

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I wonder whether WYW would feel a little stronger with a different intro. Between the bass and the effect-laden vocals at the start it just feels harder than it should be to grab hold of. Once Neil’s lead vocal comes in, it’s a fun song with a good groove, but the first few seconds is a bit disorienting, I think.

I'm actually reminded of Wilco a little bit, who we know the Finn family admire. Wilco basically write pop songs, but they are abstracted and arty to some extent. As Jeff Tweedy has said, the band usually works out a straightforward version of a song, how you'd probably expect it to go, and then they intentionally mess with it to find more interesting angles. I sense a similar approach here.

That said, I actually think the opening is the most straightforward part of the song! If you imagine the vocals without the processing, it actually sounds like the chorus of a more traditional Crowded House tune. Then when Neil comes in fully, the harmony becomes more modal and things get more abstracted. That's how I hear it, anyway.

But then the "Every night/every day" part is pretty tuneful and easy to grab onto.

I'm finding this track reveals itself a lot over time, even if it doesn't give that much of an impression up front. I never found the same to be true of Saturday Sun, for example, it felt bland and never got much deeper. So I'm pretty interested to hear the entire album.

Interesting. The 2010 shows were some of my favorites. But to each their own.



Having listened to the entire 2010 US Intriguer tour, I've gotta say I think it was wonderful. It had some weak moments. Neil's voice went out a lot and songs like "Archer's Arrows" and "Isolation" really didn't translate well. But the full tour released by Kafula (and, unlike the 2007 tour, properly mixed) is one of my favorite CH things. So rare to have an entire tour with so much setlist variety recorded with such a consistent sound.

I actually have smart playlists set up in iTunes that recreate each CH album by randomly selecting only live versions of each song from the 2010 tour. After a song is played it gets automatically replaced with a different live version from the same tour. I have a lot of fun listening to it and the songs mostly sound terrific. If there's a dud, I just down rate it to 1 star and it never plays again!

Can't wait to hear the new single played live. I also hope to hear an acoustic in-studio performance soon too!

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