Steve Shealy posted:

Just starting to watch, but I must say, I really expected to see some discussion on here about this session. Changes in songs, which versions preferred, new ones debuted, etc. Has no one watched yet, or still digesting?

I'm surprised by the lack of chat too. I'm in the UK and working, so I've been catching up after the event. I've thoroughly enjoyed the sessions so far. To share in the actual magic of the recording is special. I'll enjoy watching it on delay all the same. Can't wait for the album. I'm pretty disappointed his UK store charges £4 to deliver a cd, however. Seems a bit steep. I'll pay it nonetheless, as I'll get the download next Friday and not need to wait for the physical release. 

Tim's back in the house! Awesome! So glad they're not just dubbing in his vocals.

Houser, I've noticed the change in tone from previous weeks. Much more business-like, less chatter, but his patience is obvious. Love the respect and collaboration he shows for Victoria. They work so well together.

Watching now.  A delightful start to a beautiful sunny day.  I  must say that  Alone is growing on me.  The yearning scale on the meloncholy controls is at 11 with this number. 

Right now I'm in a fragile space with my only child heading to college in a few days. I feel a good cry coming.  These songs are only heightening my raw emotions.  Thanks, Neil.��

I was able to watch the first hour of last night's webcast and hope to watch the rest of it on YouTube tonight.  It started at midnight here in California ...

Here are my initial observations:

1. Neil Finn is a freaking musical genius. I've always known that but that was confirmed this month.

2. Victoria Kelly is Neil's secret weapon. Her arrangements are heavenly and add a ton to Neil's songs. The Finn/Kelly partnership is a joy to behold.

3. Neil Finn is a gentleman.  As others have mentioned, Neil has so much patience and good manners which is lovely to see.  What a great role model!

4. Being able to watch these recording sessions was a brilliant idea and one that I hope Neil continues into the future. It's an idea that could even be expanded to include the actual creative songwriting process.  How incredible would it be to watch Neil write the songs and see how he decides on chord patters, lyrical changes, melodies, etc.? 

Overall, thank you Mr. Finn!  Thank you for all the great music and allowing us to have a glimpse into the behind the scenes process.

... and watching these recording sessions has inspired me to buckle down and write my 2nd book.  I have the ideas and outline of the book already done but I've been avoiding sitting down and molding into book form. Watching Neil's creative and work process has motivated me to make it happen. Neil is a true inspiration!

c.houser posted:

Steve, for at least the second time this week, I just spat out words, talking to myself, watching. "Yay, it's Tim!"

I think we are all so (rightly) in awe of Neil, especially watching this process unfold, that some don't give Tim the attention he deserves. If his more recent, theatrical work was more accessible to the masses, perhaps that would change, but there just isn't the traffic on his board. Overall, his work isn't perhaps as consistent as Neil's, but when he is "on", he is sublime.

Also, appreciated seeing the "brotherly hugs" when he entered and exited. They work so well together, good to see the love as well. Hope the talked about collaboration comes to fruition. 

In keeping with the previous weeks I'll post a play list. No huge surprises as it's just the 11 songs of the album plus some interval music.

1 - 2 Second Nature

3 - 4 More Than One Of You

5 - 9 Terrorise Me (including two incomplete takes)

10 - 11 Alone

12 - 14 Widow's Peak

Interval music by Pablo Vasquez

15 Serious In Love

16  - 17 Chameleon Days

18 - 19 Independence Day

21 - 22 The Law Is Always On Your Side

23 - 25 Love Is Emotional

26 - 28 I Know Different

Epic session.  So much to digest.  Now we kind of know that Liam is the producer or at least co-producer.  It seems like they got a keeper for each song today except Serious in Love.  (I'm hoping that Neil uses the version from webcast #3)

Now how tempting will it be for Neil to go back to the songs and use a bit more skullduggery than original intended?  He seemed so relieved but very proud and thankful after the last version of I Think Different

The songs that stand out so far in my ears are:

Chameleon Days, Alone, Serious in Love (webcast #3 version), Terrorise Me, Emotional in Love, I Think Different

and Still Got It (webcast #3; but not on this album)

This list will undoubtedly change.  Say That Again was my least favorite song off TOE.  Now it's the song I must play off that album.

 

"So much to digest" - ain't that right. I, like many others  I think, had a genuine big lump in my throat at the end. 

The extent of tinkering will indeed be interesting and I wouldn't dare to predict anything.

Highlights for me: Chameleon Days and Terrorize me. And I've found myself singing Second Nature happily (and quietly) to myself in the supermarket today. So that one has taken a typical Finn song career from "nice but not brilliant" to favourite within a couple of days. Nice version in the session today as well.

c.houser posted:

I did, Annie.  I felt a shrug from the bench, across the aether as if the song was written to not resolve, but then it finally did, leaving its footprint on a great take. Looking forward to watching the entire show tonight and this weekend.

Same here c.houser. I have to go to work shortly but am looking forward to watching again minus a house of young adults tonight. So my Saturday evening is complete. :-) 

I haven't watched it all yet so I don't know if this is commented on...but I find it unlikely the songs were recorded in album order. I bet they were recorded in an order that made sense logistically for all the technology and musical forces involved, different instrumentations, etc. Possibly Neil hasn't even decided on an order yet.

slowpogo posted:

I haven't watched it all yet so I don't know if this is commented on...but I find it unlikely the songs were recorded in album order. I bet they were recorded in an order that made sense logistically for all the technology and musical forces involved, different instrumentations, etc. Possibly Neil hasn't even decided on an order yet.

Apple Music shows the track order... It is different to the webcast. Makes sense that they recorded the first song last. 

https://itunes.apple.com/au/al...silence/id1268517908

Byrds Talk to Me posted:
slowpogo posted:

I haven't watched it all yet so I don't know if this is commented on...but I find it unlikely the songs were recorded in album order. I bet they were recorded in an order that made sense logistically for all the technology and musical forces involved, different instrumentations, etc. Possibly Neil hasn't even decided on an order yet.

Apple Music shows the track order... It is different to the webcast. Makes sense that they recorded the first song last. 

https://itunes.apple.com/au/al...silence/id1268517908

I just heard "I Know Different" for the first time and now I know why it's the final song on the album.  It's a perfect album closer.  What a song!  And what an album!  Neil has certainly had a tremendous creative burst.

Sugar Mouse posted:
Byrds Talk to Me posted:
slowpogo posted:

I haven't watched it all yet so I don't know if this is commented on...but I find it unlikely the songs were recorded in album order. I bet they were recorded in an order that made sense logistically for all the technology and musical forces involved, different instrumentations, etc. Possibly Neil hasn't even decided on an order yet.

Apple Music shows the track order... It is different to the webcast. Makes sense that they recorded the first song last. 

https://itunes.apple.com/au/al...silence/id1268517908

I just heard "I Know Different" for the first time and now I know why it's the final song on the album.  It's a perfect album closer.  What a song!  And what an album!  Neil has certainly had a tremendous creative burst.

Yes tbh I haven't had such an emotional reaction to a bunch of Finn songs since Everyone is Here.  (Not that this is a brothers album). 

Finally got home and been listening/watching the rest of last night's performance.  Oh my do I love these songs.  "The Law" is a really good one and "Love Is Emotional" is even growing on my.  "Terrorise Me", "Alone", "I Know Different", and "Widow's Peak" are simply stunning.  Masterworks. I'd like to be the first to say that this is Neil's best song collection in a long time - probably since Together Alone.

I only got a chance to watch bits of the first two weeks sessions and initially I thought it was an interesting idea. But I'm about two thirds through watching Friday's recording and I've realised just what an inspired idea it was to record an album live. It's incredible to watch the creative process and to sense the tension in the studio to pull it off in such a short amount of time. I love the "Let it Be" fly on the wall approach.  

The other thing that occurred to me is that I think Neil is at his best when he does something on the spot (I always preferred the live VH1 performance of Nil One tracks to the final album version because it was more immediate and natural).  Perhaps Neil has realised this?

The songs I've heard so far sound great. Like someone else said I hope he keeps going with this approach. It's a much more immersive way to experience an album and imagine what it will sound like when mixed properly and the best takes are arranged. I'm looking forward to hearing the finished album.

PS Is this a first? Has anyone else recorded an album on youtube?

 

 

KEROUAC posted:

I only got a chance to watch bits of the first two weeks sessions and initially I thought it was an interesting idea. But I'm about two thirds through watching Friday's recording and I've realised just what an inspired idea it was to record an album live. It's incredible to watch the creative process and to sense the tension in the studio to pull it off in such a short amount of time. I love the "Let it Be" fly on the wall approach.  

The other thing that occurred to me is that I think Neil is at his best when he does something on the spot (I always preferred the live VH1 performance of Nil One tracks to the final album version because it was more immediate and natural).  Perhaps Neil has realised this?

The songs I've heard so far sound great. Like someone else said I hope he keeps going with this approach. It's a much more immersive way to experience an album and imagine what it will sound like when mixed properly and the best takes are arranged. I'm looking forward to hearing the finished album.

PS Is this a first? Has anyone else recorded an album on youtube?

 

 

... And unlike "Let It Be", the musicians are in a comfortable environment. 

In the era of streaming music, I guess there doesn't have to be one definitive version of an album. 

Theoretically, alternate versions of songs could be added at any time. I like the idea of an album being evolved in this way...kind of like software. 

KEROUAC posted:

I only got a chance to watch bits of the first two weeks sessions and initially I thought it was an interesting idea. But I'm about two thirds through watching Friday's recording and I've realised just what an inspired idea it was to record an album live. It's incredible to watch the creative process and to sense the tension in the studio to pull it off in such a short amount of time. I love the "Let it Be" fly on the wall approach.  

The other thing that occurred to me is that I think Neil is at his best when he does something on the spot (I always preferred the live VH1 performance of Nil One tracks to the final album version because it was more immediate and natural).  Perhaps Neil has realised this?

The songs I've heard so far sound great. Like someone else said I hope he keeps going with this approach. It's a much more immersive way to experience an album and imagine what it will sound like when mixed properly and the best takes are arranged. I'm looking forward to hearing the finished album.

PS Is this a first? Has anyone else recorded an album on youtube?

 

 

I see some have posted that this album isn't their cup of tea but I LOVE these new songs presented in this manner. I've always felt that Neil is at his best when he's spontaneous and "in the moment" and doesn't overthink the production.  And Victoria Kelly is such a fantastic collaborator.  Her joy for the music is clearly evident and infectious. And I adore Neil at the piano where he's so immediate and intense. For those who love Neil's guitar pop songs, this album isn't that.  For guitar pop, we have plenty of great Crowded House albums.  This album is his piano/orchestra album. Dizzy Heights was his experimental album. Each album is what it is and this is a really, really good one.

There have been people here noting Neil tends to "over-tinker" with his albums. One Nil was delayed nearly one year (and partly re-imagined as One All). Everyone is Here was delayed by months after re-recording nearly all songs. Intriguer changed until the very last moment (losing its 11th trackafter initial reports about the "final" track list).

Apparantly Neil feels the same way and recording "Out of Silence" has partly been recorded in this fashion as a reaction to that. Not sure if reactions of Frenz have had an influence, but who knows...? ;-)

I watched the first three web casts live and enjoyed them tremendously. The fourth one I only catched the last hour live during lunch break and the rest after work. I'm holding out on opinions on individual songs because I've learnt in the past these songs take a while to unveal their value. Exception is Second Nature which I've had on repeat on Spotify for a while and love.

This isn't anything Neil hasn't done before in some aspect...Sweet Secret Peace, You're the One to..., All I Ask (yeah I know Tim sings), ENZSO, or even just softer songs like Walking on the Spot, etc. It's just the first time he's made a full album in this vein. I hold out hope for some creative mixing choices, but even if the mix is just a refinement of what we heard on the webcast, I look forward to it and welcome this sort of album into his catalog.

Presumably we'll hear him in rock mode soon enough with his and Liam's album.

A couple things I've learned about enjoying art:

#1 Don't have expectations. Be open to evaluating the artwork on its own merits and not your preconceived notions of what it should be or what you want it to be.

#2 Be a generous audience. Always give the creator the benefit of the doubt and try hard to like something before you reject it.

Generally, just being open to new experiences and letting go of expectations has made me a much happier audience member. I would never say, "yes, I want rapping over 'Loose Tongue'," but I'll be damned if it wasn't freakin' incredible when it happened.

If Neil wants to record an album of piano ballads, I think it's great that he did it in the most interesting way possible. Also, he apparently doesn't plan to tour in support of the album, so he should be free to move on to the next project relatively quickly.

All that being said, I think many of the new songs are fascinating and a welcome addition to the catalog. But I'm reserving judgement until I hear the album. I bet even today Neil and sons are running around the studio like madmen adding little bits and pieces to finish up the songs. No time for over-tinkering, but I bet he's tinkering until the 11th hour!

I might have worried/hoped that recording an entire album live on the internet might lead to a more spontaneous, less rehearsed album. But those fears/hopes were for naught as this album may be one of the most rehearsed and composed album of Neil's career. A little ironic that trying to record an album in a webcast may have led to an even more planned out and structured album.

 

Above the Kitchen posted:

 

This list will undoubtedly change.  Say That Again was my least favorite song off TOE.  Now it's the song I must play off that album.

 

Indicative of the entire TOE record, really. Ten years on and I am still enjoying each song more than the last time I heard it. The album is ageless. Say That Again is one of my favourites, but in my case I realised pretty quickly how great it is.

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