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There's always rumours of a new album from SE each time they get together, but I'm just wondering if Tim and Eddie talking about it on 3 News moves it from 'rumour' status to 'possibility, depends on what everyone is doing' status? :-)
Of course we probably all would like it to happen, but does anyone think it will? Maybe not this year, but sometime soon.
Thought I might as well ask. :-)
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Hi all, I saw the story on NZ3 news last night too... where they speculated about a new Enz album. When Tim was interviewed he said something like "the band had at least one album's worth of material in them".

At the gig, Michael Barker was introduced as the "newest member" of Split Enz, which also made me wonder if they were looking at some kind of future for the Enz.

Speaking of Michael Barker - is he amazing or what? Man, can that boy drum/play percussion/groove...

Cheers

An exhausted Andy
I'd love the idea of a new Split Enz album, if they can make the chemistry and the timing work for everyone.

Having just one album with Phil AND Tim AND Neil all in the fold, pulling together - that would be a dream! It would be just such a fantastic recapturing of all the missed opportunities. Potentially, such an album could yield a full expression of the band's latent powers from across all eras of its history.

But realistically...chemistry is such a fragile creature. I don't know if it would work, to introduce such a volatile element into the current incarnation without derailing the momentum they have now. Right now, they are a band, musically-cohesive and tight-knit, a force to be reckoned with. Adding Phil back in would turn them back into an experiment.

Wait. I think I just talked myself back into the idea!

Still it's hardly up to me, though.
Very jealous of reading all the Enz reports from Downunder. I've been an Enz fan since my Uncle sent me a tape of Six Months in a Leaky Boat (who says taping killed music - it got me into Split Enz). I was lucky enough to see Split Enz on their first ever reunion? gig? - The Rainbow Warrior gig? Auckland 1885?

I can't see a new Split Enz album personally. The irregular Split Enz gigs seem a bit like an occasional school 'old boys' reunion. And that's no critism. I doubt they do it for the money.

There's no doubt there's some interersting creative tensions in Split Enz and a new album would be hugely interesting (perhaps more so than a CH or Tim Finn album?) but everyone has other interests now and committing 12 or so months to a Split Enz project 25 years? after the last real album seems a bit too much. One can only live in hope. I just reckon Neil is on too much of a roll with CH at the moment to commit to a Split Enz reunion.
I don't particularly want a new Split Enz album but if one had to be created I think it should be a Phil Judd/Tim Finn effort with minimal contributions from Neil. Neil's writing has moved on dramatically from his Enz days but both Phil and Tim, as founding members, have never really lost the Enz sound and look. I say that we should let Neil use his songs from Crowded House albums and let Tim (and if at all possible, Phil) take the reins for a new Enz album.

Wasn't "Edible Flowers" considered for a new Enz album? What kind a Enz song would that have been? Not a very good one, IMHO, and certainly not a song that would justify an entire Enz album. Don't get me wrong, I love EF but I think it found it's proper home on the Finn Brothers album which is as close as I hope Neil ever gets to new Enz material.
Tim talks about this album on his myspace site...i think he is calling the album "echo chamber".

and yes, it seems inappropriate that given that the originally planned "three of a kind" album with tim, phil and miles "couldnt be done" because of tims commitment to make Imaginary Kingdon would not include phil now that its back on
I would love another Enz album, and a tour to go with it.

This is the first I've heard about the possibility, and I have to say that given Neil's commitment to Crowded House at the moment, and Tim's new solo album, which he's apparently supposed to be starting in April, I don't know when they'd do it.

The overwhelming issue for all of them seems to be co-ordination - getting them all together at a particular point in time. Noel did say this to us in Wellington.

Still, if the spirit is there, who knows? Smiler I'd wait for it, be happy for other commitments to be fulfilled before looking for it.

I also have to say that I really loved Michael on the drums. I thought he was a powerhouse, and was really into it.

I guess time will tell. Big Grin
There was an article in the NZ Listener by the excellent Mick Bollinger a couple of weeks ago in which Tim stated that he would like to perform "Mental Notes" live with an earlier line-up. The main reason he gave for preventing it was something like he and Phil are "hopeless at being friends".

Actually, you can read the article here. Forgive me if this has been posted before.
Hmmmm 2007

Crowded House recording album /touring
Tim Finn touring
Tim Finn recording album with Miles Golding
Tim Finn & Eddie Rayner heads together for Poor Boy the Musical early March in Sydney.
How many more meetings there??
Split Enz tour
Gryph mentioning he had an idea up his sleeve for pushing Mental Notes sales.
Phudster in the works of another album.

Don't think Neil would want to be left out of an Enz album if they did fit it in. Even in different countries they are now all on email I believe, and therefore can send each other musical attachments. I'm sure old Codge would have fun putting that stuff together, just a bit more tricky than the 8 track.


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Originally posted by David Goldsmith:
There was an article in the NZ Listener by the excellent Mick Bollinger a couple of weeks ago in which Tim stated that he would like to perform "Mental Notes" live with an earlier line-up. The main reason he gave for preventing it was something like he and Phil are "hopeless at being friends".

Actually, you can read the article here. Forgive me if this has been posted before.


Good point, David! I'd quite forgotten about that article.
this isnt the first time that tim has said he would like to do this...he puts his inability to remain friends with phil as the main obstacle.

phil also mentioned in an interview at the time of releasing novelty act that he would be interested in doing a mental notes concert.

perhaps it would be up to mike chunn or peter green to make this happen. it would suit a smaller venue and obviously should be recorded. what would be even greater would be to hear some new music from the same bunch.

any chance of the "echo chamber" project morphing into this?????
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Originally posted by Incognito:
phil also mentioned that he would be interested in doing a mental notes concert.

perhaps it would be up to mike chunn or peter green to make this happen. it would suit a smaller venue and obviously should be recorded.


It'd have to be in a grand old venue...perhaps Auckland's St. James or the Ormond Hall in Melbourne. Best of all would be a tour of the main centres...NZ has at least one grand old Victorian theatre in each of those four cities! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Incognito:
any chance of the "echo chamber" project morphing into this?????


I somehow doubt it, since work's already been progressing for it (as it is for Phil's solo album - demos or works in progress seem to be floating around for both). Perhaps in a few years, when tensions have had a bit more time to blow over and both Tim and Phil have finished their current projects.
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Originally posted by Semi-Detached:
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Originally posted by Incognito:
phil also mentioned that he would be interested in doing a mental notes concert.

perhaps it would be up to mike chunn or peter green to make this happen. it would suit a smaller venue and obviously should be recorded.


It'd have to be in a grand old venue...perhaps Auckland's St. James or the Ormond Hall in Melbourne. Best of all would be a tour of the main centres...NZ has at least one grand old Victorian theatre in each of those four cities! Big Grin


Well as long as it's not an out-door gig recalling the reception to the older stuff had at Sweetwaters - mind you I think they could have chosen their battles more wisely there - Stranger Than Fiction??? - don't get me wrong I love it but not everyone is going to!
It would be great to do something even on a small scale and get it filmed with the original line-up for posterity - even do the stuff that they never recorded who's up for Address Four Walls, Are You Sad?, Blankets, Buffs, City Of Dreams, Eugene, Fascination, Hermine, Lawdy, Our World, Play It Strange, Prophecy, So This Is Love (or any more of those old Judd demo's - Superstarstruck etc), The Perfect Stranger, There's A Way, Three Irish Twins & Wise Men. They could do a few shows Mental Notes era while the Crowdies are recording and after their tour - have a new Enz album - mega line-up! Just keep an eye on that Ormond Hall - or have I just let the cat out of the bag!
I'd love to see another Enz album, I don't hold out much hope though.

I'd love to see a Phil Judd headed Enz, it would raise Phil's profile and as Phil era Enz had many possibilities latent in it still to explore. i think it would be the most artistically satisfying.

Phil doing most of the writing with support from Neil & Tim, Eddie and Noel would need to be in it & preferably Nigel, all contributing to the arrangements. Maybe they could get Phil Manzanera to produce it.

Mr Judd would paint the cover art.

And then do a short tour of New Zealand and Australia (I don't think there would be the interest for them elsewhere). Or they could do a single (or maybe 3) performance in NZ (where I think they'd be most appreciated) and film it for DVD release.

What a beautiful dream, too good to be true.
Well, I'll be in the part of your dream where they do the short tour of New Zealand and Australia Borris Big Grin

Even if they didn't do a new album, my niece and I would be there for that line-up Smiler

They've all matured etc etc, you wonder what a Split Enz album with the guys where they are now would really sound like.

There would be so many ingredients to throw into the soup now; Neil has done the solo thing; Tim has done the solo thing; Neil and Tim have done the brotherly thing; Neil's now back with Crowded House; they were both involved in the Enz thing.

The end result would certainly be interesting. Smiler
Holy cow, I wake up this morning just pleased that there's a Crowded House concert to be taken in tonight and stumble upon...well, THIS!

Thanks for sharing all the bits of info and speculation. I can think of nothing more fantastic than a new Split Enz album.

However...morphing Echo Chamber into an Enz album would be a tragedy in my book. I am probably the only person on the forum who's still disappointed that Neil's solo album became the vehicle for the resurrection of Crowded House, and as Tim has been putting bits of new stuff out there for the past year for his new solo album, I sincerely hope that's what we're gonna get...

(Not that Crowded House isn't fabulous--I am thrilled that they're touring again--I just was really hoping for a solo album from Neil. And a tour including all his other great solo stuff from the past.)

So, as Kelly T has articulated, let's hope the new Split Enz album goes on the list of projects and doesn't get scratched Wink.
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Originally posted by Texas Rose:

There would be so many ingredients to throw into the soup now; Neil has done the solo thing; Tim has done the solo thing; Neil and Tim have done the brotherly thing; Neil's now back with Crowded House; they were both involved in the Enz thing.

The end result would certainly be interesting. Smiler


I would still very much enjoy a new Enz album without Phil. i would definitely buy it and listen to it with interest and most likely love it.

But a Phil lead one would be great in so many ways. It'd be great from the point of view of giving Phil some exposure and recognition that he so deserves, but I also think it would be a fantastic creation. It would be my holy grail of the Enz. In fact i think they should call it "The Second Coming".
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Originally posted by Devil Abroad:
However...morphing Echo Chamber into an Enz album would be a tragedy in my book.


Here here!

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Originally posted by Devil Abroad:
I am probably the only person on the forum who's still disappointed that Neil's solo album became the vehicle for the resurrection of Crowded House.


No, you wouldn't be the only one. Not that CH was a bad thing.

Who knows what might happen a few years down the track. If Tim, Eddie and Miles enjoy working together again perhaps that will plant the seed for a new Enz album. Would be cool, but it seems unlikely at this stage Frowner
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Originally posted by Devil Abroad:
I am probably the only person on the forum who's still disappointed that Neil's solo album became the vehicle for the resurrection of Crowded House

(Not that Crowded House isn't fabulous--I am thrilled that they're touring again--I just was really hoping for a solo album from Neil. And a tour including all his other great solo stuff from the past.)


You're not a lone voice, DA.

While any project involving the guys is always interesting, I really wish Neil's 3rd studio album had materialised, not Time On Earth. In 16 years of being a loyal Finn fan, it's the only album that's left me cold.

Sorry to those who like Time On Earth, but when Crowded House broke up in 1996 they should've stayed that way...unless the upcoming album can prove me wrong!

In a similar way I hope Tim's new album doesn't evolve into something else...I don't think it would though. Too much time has passed, things and people have moved on, and like Time On Earth I think it just wouldn't work.
You kids are so affirming, it's really Nice to Know I'm not alone...

Crowded House was fabulous last night in DC. I am really glad that Neil got the band back together--I just love his solo stuff and don't see an opportunity any time soon to hear any of it live (although I guess the NYC audience did coax a bit of Driving Me Mad out of him).

There are just so many blurred lines with these Finns that I suppose anything is possible. I bet one of the most challenging parts of the creative process for these guys is actually finding the time and getting all parties in the same room to make their magic. A new Enz album would be some kind of miracle, wouldn't it?

I'm still waiting on that Finn Brothers accoustic album that Tim once mentioned.
The Man is such a tease Wink.

(DA sits patiently on her hands and awaits whatever musical offerings are presented...)
Semi Detached wrote:
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You're not a lone voice, DA.

While any project involving the guys is always interesting, I really wish Neil's 3rd studio album had materialised, not Time On Earth. In 16 years of being a loyal Finn fan, it's the only album that's left me cold.

Sorry to those who like Time On Earth, but when Crowded House broke up in 1996 they should've stayed that way...unless the upcoming album can prove me wrong!

In a similar way I hope Tim's new album doesn't evolve into something else...I don't think it would though. Too much time has passed, things and people have moved on, and like Time On Earth I think it just wouldn't work.


I'm in that same Time on Earth boat too. Smiler Its not that I didn't like it - there were songs that I did like; the album just did not set my world on fire.

I'm with you SD - I also hope that Tim's new solo does not morph into anything. I always think that's a mistake.

I think if there was a new Enz album they would need to be extremely careful.

Personally I don't think it would work unless they first moulded themselves back into the Enz mind-set. No use doing their own things and other things, then out of the blue deciding to do an Enz album. I think it would end up sounding like a bunch of guys who were doing other things and then who suddenly decided to do an album and call in a new Split Enz album.

So if they were practising together as the Enz, rehearsing together as the Enz and touring together as the Enz, then a new Enz album would probably be quite interesting. Smiler

Other than that, I think it would be a mistake.

I'd far rather have them get together for special events and play songs which we know and love (and every live performance is unique - especially if they play songs which haven't been played for years, or before, such as Carried Away), than have them dive into an album for the sake of making a new Enz album, and end up compromising the reputation that the Enz had for uniqueness and excellence. That's the reputation they have in my estimation anyway. Razzer

If they were curious enough to want to know what a new Enz product would sound like now, I think they'd have to aim for it properly.

Apart from specials, in my opinion, Split Enz from an album point of view is in the past (apart from what I've said above). And its music still speaks for itself.

Those guys recapture the magic every time they get together and play. They do not need a new album to prove anything, or achieve anything, or, dare I say it, undermine anything.

I want to see Crowded House's new album, I'm looking forward to Tim's next solo release, and I'd love to see another solo release from Neil. And above all I'd love to see another Finn Brothers album, with a tour of Australia and New Zealand (and wherever else), because I'd be at those shows. Big Grin

Okay, I've flogged my point, but I'll just say this. Don't get me wrong, a new Enz album would be fascinating and fantastic, but I think they would need to tread very carefully. Smiler
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Originally posted by Texas Rose:
Semi Detached wrote:
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I think if there was a new Enz album they would need to be extremely careful.

Personally I don't think it would work unless they first moulded themselves back into the Enz mind-set. No use doing their own things and other things, then out of the blue deciding to do an Enz album. I think it would end up sounding like a bunch of guys who were doing other things and then who suddenly decided to do an album and call in a new Split Enz album.

So if they were practising together as the Enz, rehearsing together as the Enz and touring together as the Enz, then a new Enz album would probably be quite interesting. Smiler

Other than that, I think it would be a mistake.

I'd far rather have them get together for special events and play songs which we know and love (and every live performance is unique - especially if they play songs which haven't been played for years, or before, such as Carried Away), than have them dive into an album for the sake of making a new Enz album, and end up compromising the reputation that the Enz had for uniqueness and excellence. That's the reputation they have in my estimation anyway. Razzer

If they were curious enough to want to know what a new Enz product would sound like now, I think they'd have to aim for it properly.

Apart from specials, in my opinion, Split Enz from an album point of view is in the past (apart from what I've said above). And its music still speaks for itself.

Those guys recapture the magic every time they get together and play. They do not need a new album to prove anything, or achieve anything, or, dare I say it, undermine anything.



Well I agree with you regarding Split Enz as having nothing to prove. Absolutley! If they did another album I think it would be misguided for them to aim at breaking new markets or extending their dominion.

Split Enz have got together a few times to do concerts & have produced an excellent live DVD but if that's it they're in danger of being called the Dead Enz.

I don't think they need to be very carefull except to the extent of giving forethought to the writing. As I've said before I would like to see a Phil Lead Enz.

Tim and Neil do their Finn Brother thing from time to time & I'm sure we'll see some more of that & that'd be great. I love Everyone is Here & Woodface (yes I know it's Crowded House). That covers the alchemy of those two working together.

So a Phil Lead Enz. Phil supplying at least 70% of the lyrics with Tim and Neil filling out the rest and all three contributing to the music. I'm not too fussed on the line up but Eddie would be essential for his musical input excellent playing and hand in the arrangements. It could be the original Mental Notes line up or include Nigel.

I think they should go into the studio and knock off an album, not get precious about it, they're a talented bunch whatever came out would be of interest. If it didn't work out that well so what, risks can be worth taking. I think it would be very creative & it would be a great acknowledgement for Phil and his part in starting off the venture of the Enz.

This is not nostalgia, quite the opposite, I think if they could hold it together for the creation of an album it would be something unique and with Phil in the Lead it would suffer a sea change into something rich and strange.

It's a dream, but not beyond the bounds of possibility, they have their own studios to work in no lack of facilities and they could go about there separate ways at the end of it. And we would have an intriguing new creation.
Borris wrote:
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I think they should go into the studio and knock off an album, not get precious about it, they're a talented bunch whatever came out would be of interest. If it didn't work out that well so what, risks can be worth taking. I think it would be very creative & it would be a great acknowledgement for Phil and his part in starting off the venture of the Enz.

Whatever came out would be of interest to us as fans, and despite what I said above, I would love to see it happen, but then there's the issue of reviewers. Roll Eyesv I guess I care most about it from that point of view.

I'm sure that as a commercial release there would be someone reviewing it, and I just think that care would need to be taken insofar as the solo careers that the guys have got going are concerned. They would not want to undermine what they have now.

I know I'm being a bit of a boring bertha, but if it turned out to be something with less focus and less direction than it should or could have, I bet there'd be someone ready to bag it, and I bet that every time Neil or Tim, or Neil and Tim made an appearance, there would be someone ready to refer back to it, and not in a positive way.

Yes, an album with Phil in the lead would be absolutely fantastic, and especially if it was one with Tim and Phil collaborating the way they used to.

Of course, to avoid all that, maybe they could knock an album together which would be fan club release only? Wink Big Grin
I think your concern for Tim and Neil and their reputations is really admirable, I too would hate to see them harassed in anyway. I think as the good artists they are though, they should not be scared of bad reviews, i think if you're too careful you risk the road of slow decline. I don't think either Tim or Phil are risk averse musically.

The fan club release would be OK but I think there would be demand for it outside the fan club. Maybe they could test it on the fanclub and if there is call for full release then do so.

I'm OK with Tim & Phil doing something, but I'd like to have Eddie's musical talents added to the mix at the very least. That might be enough after all both Tim and Phil are one man bands.

Maybe Phil and Tim could come up with the songs together (or see that it it isn't working) and then if they get something they're happy with take it to the band to an Enz line up to record.

"You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one"

A few words from my avatar:

Our revels now are ended. These our actors,
As I foretold you, were all spirits, and
Are melted into air, into thin air;
And, like the baseless fabric of this vision,
The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces,
The solemn temples, the great globe itself,
Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve,
And, like this insubstantial pageant faded,
Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff
As dreams are made on; and our little life
Is rounded with a sleep.

In the meantime I'll get by with a new Tim Finn album and new Phil Judd and a New Crowded House. We're really spoilt rotten.
Borris wrote:
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I'm OK with Tim & Phil doing something, but I'd like to have Eddie's musical talents added to the mix at the very least. That might be enough after all both Tim and Phil are one man bands.

Absolutely - Eddie's input would be a must. Smiler

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In the meantime I'll get by with a new Tim Finn album and new Phil Judd and a New Crowded House. We're really spoilt rotten.


Its been a fantastic year musically, and we really are very lucky.

I also agree with what you said about Tim and Phil being not risk averse musically. And you're absolutely right. That's probably what gave us such a great band with great music and made them stand out.

So, maybe that means that now would be the perfect time for a new album? Big Grin

I know this seems like a complete about-face from me. Its not exactly that - more like I'm in two minds about it. I'd love to see it happen, but would not want to see it criticised. Guess I just want everything? Roll Eyes
I for one would love to see another Neil Finn solo album. There's something totally different about Neil on his own, it's magic. Magic that I miss.
So right now, I'm really looking forward to -
Tim's new album with Eddie, the Crowdies new album & Phil's new album.
I think I might be the only one here who wouldn't mind if there wasn't a new Split Enz album. I just don't. Great it happened but, meh, if it doesn't.
I don't think Phil and Tim are fixable judging by Phil's myspace. And that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Yes, I must say, a new Split Enz album is low on my want list. So much else to look forward to, and I'd be really really nervous about a new Enz venture.

A Phil and Tim album would be wonderful but it does seem as unlikely George Bush pulling out of Iraq, or Elton John becoming a grandfather Big Grin .

Shame though. Frowner

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