Anybody know what he's been using at different phases of his career?

i'm especially interested in knowing his gear selection from '90 - present.

i know he's used a goldtop Gibson Les Paul Deluxe with mini-humbuckers, a sunburst Fender Strat and various Gretsch guitars. i never did sort out what acoustics he uses. any additional detail would be great.

any links to photos of his pedalboards and effects selections/signal chain from various eras?
there are tantalizing *moments* in the Seven Worlds Collide DVD and the Sessions DVD where you can see his pedalboard.

there seems to be a DEARTH of information regarding this area!

Cheers!
Original Post
Other people seem to know the specifics far better than I do but here's what springs to mind:

Amp - he uses a Vox AC30. He also has a Roland Jazz Chorus - I guess he hasn't really used it since the Enz days but he is seen using it on the Rock Arena New Year's concert filmed at the end of '86. He said that he found the JC to have a hollow sound that bugged him. I think it sounds great. I have no idea but I always assume that the lovely sound of the guitar on Recurring Dream is, in part, courtesy of the JC. I think he used to use the distortion switch on at almost its lowest. That way the guitar wasn't always ridiculously clean (E.g. that open A-ish chord at the end of the middle-8s on One Step Ahead). Again, I'm not as technically wise as others here are so maybe they'll correct me on that.

Accoustics - he uses Maton. I think he uses a junior sized one. Not sure of the exact model. He probably has a couple.

Pedals/Effects - in the Enz days I think his sole pedals were a MXR Flanger and a Paul Crowther Hot Cakes distortion pedal. The Hot Cakes is awesome - you can get one from Paul Crowther direct if you like. Can't remember now where I got the address and details from but they must be out there somewhere. Great pedal.

He used to use a Roland Tape Echo unit but that got the chop at the end of the Enz days. You can hear it in all its glory on the guitar echos on One Mouth. I have one somewhere - kind of funky but such a big piece of equipment. As many people say, the warmth of it IS nicer than digital but I don't think its size is practical for the road. I grew to really resent lugging that thing around! God knows if you can still get tapes for it too.

In the mid/late 80's he bought a Yamaha SPX unit I think. I'd doubt he's still using that though. No real idea what his effects setup is right now but I'd be willing to bet that the Hot Cakes is still in it.
this would make a GREAT subject for the forum , maybe Neil's, Tim's , whoevers - gear - as a seperate subject..

btw - he also uses a custom Maton 12 stringer , used it last night at the Grove, as well on the KCRW webcast..

his Les Paul took a massive dive last night, had some probs keeping it in tune..

He aalso uses Larrivee Guitars as well..
In Los Angeles last week.
Vox AC 30 ( old model... probably studio rental) 1958 Fender Deluxe run in tandem ( both on all the time). FOH mixer blends as appropriate
Pedal board... a couple boss tuners ( signal spliters?) A boss delay of some sort... and what piqued my interest OD/Boost = Crowther Hot Cake. My ears heard a lot of Vox EL84 OD/Chime.
but then, bam, next song... no more vox tone. So I waited around and asked Neils guitar tech what was up... ( thanks mate!) so he gave me the scoop.
Great thread...I've always been interested in hearing about Neil's music gear too. I work in a musical instrument shop in Australia and due to the fact that I helped someone design a custom model Maton to look like the one Neil was using around the time of One Nil I remember a little about the model. It's a Maton EBG808 - it is a smaller sized body - I think Maton call it their Bluegrass model. Neils had a few modifications though to the standard issue. (I own the EBG808 artist model which is close but not the same) His had a gloss finish with a honey stained top and an abalone (or pearl) inlay around the soundhole and for the binding. No cutaway. Maton also released some other models for the rest of Neils band on that tour - they had ebony fretboards with pearl inlay blocks and a satin finish.(I think Neil was using one of these models too)

A good friend of mine has a Vox AC30, A Gretsch Duo Jet and a Hot Cake pedal - put them together and you immediately have the classic Neil sound. I've been getting a sound that's pretty close with my Fender DeVille, Gretsch Nashville and a Tube Screamer. Love to see some shots of Neils pedal set up.

I haven't posted here much although I'm always checking in - hope you don't mind the intrusion!
cheers
YES! this is the sort of stuff i was hoping to learn about! keep it coming!

i'll contribute what i can as i stumble upon it.

i can point out that on the Sessions at West 54th DVD has a few decent shots of his pedalboard.
I was just looking at the pictures from the Detroit show and see a dripedge '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb or Vibrolux Reverb. That wasn't there when I saw the band in SF but i did see an older blackface Deluxe.

Are some or all of these amps being rented along the way for each venue?
Thanks Tracy! SIR, my old Alumni. Didn't see the rather large numbers that are usually stenciled onto the sides of the amps though.
I believe the les paul is a 68, thats a great piece of gear. Has anyone laid eyes on the ferrington that was made special for him? The inlays are worth getting a gander at.
quote:
Originally posted by allone:
[qb] Thanks Tracy! SIR, my old Alumni. Didn't see the rather large numbers that are usually stenciled onto the sides of the amps though. [/qb]
Yeah, they were very noticeable in Chicago, that's how I knew...
quote:
Originally posted by jester japes:
[qb] I believe the les paul is a 68, thats a great piece of gear. Has anyone laid eyes on the ferrington that was made special for him? The inlays are worth getting a gander at. [/qb]
The LP is a '68, isn't the ferrington you referred to the one he's used during the CH days?
This is a great thread, since I'm a VERY amateur guitarist myself. Neil's Les Paul Deluxe is to me the second most iconic musical instrument in existence--only Paul McC.'s Hofners beat it in my eyes.

It's really great that Neil's become such a bloody good guitarist in the last ten years. I'm not saying he was ever less than good at any point, but he's really been going for it lately. Is there anything the man can't do?
skin a horse at full gallop?
(not that he'd do something so cruel or stupid!)

i'm really looking forward to the new Finn Bros CD!

somewhere i saw a pic of Neil playing a 335 thru a ROland JC-120 and standing nexst to Mick Ronson. when the heck would that have been?
i assume it was back in the Enz days and not early CH.
Well, he can't lip-synch.

I'm enjoying this thread even though I'm not very guitar-savvy. I'm curious to know more about Maton guitars. What are their hallmarks in appearance, playability, and sound?

Evvie
quote:
Originally posted by Reformed Dreamer:
[qb]
somewhere i saw a pic of Neil playing a 335 thru a ROland JC-120 and standing nexst to Mick Ronson. when the heck would that have been?
i assume it was back in the Enz days and not early CH. [/qb]
US/Canada tour 1982!!
On Neils pedalboard and amps...

so, we seem to have nailed down that he uses:

- an old tweed Fender Deluxe paired with a Vox AC-30 (possibly with an ABY switch of some kind?)

- a Crowther Audio Hotcakes distortion (3 knob)

- a Boss Digital Delay pedal (i assume it's the DD-3 cos you can't make the newer ones like the DD-5 and DD-6 do swirly stuff when you twiddle the knobs, they just jump to the new value).

- i think i saw a Hughes and Kettner Tube Rotosphere on his pedalboard in the "Sessions" DVD, tho it seemed to have gone by 7 Worlds.

i KNOW there's more to it than those, but i can't identify them from the DVD stills.

anyone else? Bueller?
Hey Evvie
A little bit of Maton info -
They've been around since the 1940's - there's a photo floating around of George Harrison playing one when he was in Australia in the 60's. Almost every well known Australian guitarist plays one these days - along with a lot of overseas players too (members of Queens of the stone age, Ben Harper, Foo Fighters, Jeff Buckley was playing one for a while - Australian players are too numerous to mention!). They use a lot of timbers that come from Australia - Victorian Blackwood, Queensland Maple, Queensland Walnut. The tops are generally spruce - although there are some models with cedar tops or Bunya Pine. They also offer all kinds of custom options. The prices range from $899AU - to around the $5000AU. Soundwise they are warm and "woody" sounding - they don't have the bright sound of a Taylor - nor the "Bottom end" that a Martin has - they probably sit nicely in between. Most of the range come in a satin finish - although there are quite a few gloss models available too. You can order custom colours as well. They offer 3 different types of pick ups AP4, AP5 and the APMic - which has a Mic in the soundhole as well as the usual piezo pick up under the bridge saddle - the pick up controls allow you to blend the two sounds. Playability on them is excellent and the guitars that arrive on a regular basis at our store are always are well set up. Check out www.maton.com.au and you'll be able to have a look at the models - there's plenty of photos. They also make a range of electric guitars.

I just found this piece of news on the Maton site:

"Neil & Tim Finn, two of the worlds finest Songwriters, were regretfully forced to retire there trusty old Maton's. When Neil told us the news we were so sad to see them go, that we got Neil's old EBG808 into the hands of our finest craftsmen and they set to task building replacements. When Neil and Tim received the guitars they were blown away with the sound, feel, and look of their new Matons."

Anyhow, hope that all helps a bit....
I'm interested to know more about the pedals used too - hopefully some one will come along with some more info.
cheers
Hello everyone!

I was wondering what guitar Neil is using in the "I See Red" video... I'm sure it's a Rickenbacker as Nigel is using a Rickenbacker bass, and they look very similar... Can someone help?

Also, the acoustic Tim plays in "Six Months in a Leaky Boat", "I Got You" and Neil plays it in the "Things" videos... is that the Maton everyone's talking about?

Thanks! Smiler
Hmm, no it seems that the acoustic Tim and Neil are playing is a Gibson of some description, how could they have afforded something like that so early in their career? Anyone know more about it?

Still unsure about the I See Red Rickenbacker, I can't find anything like it on the Rickenbacker website...

Please help someone! I love these guitars!

Thanks Smiler
Yep, Neil is using a Rickenbacker in the I See Red clip. I'm pretty sure it was burnt in the fire before the Nambassa concert in '79 in NZ.

I can't remember what the other guitar was but I believe it was auctioned just a few years ago. This could be disinformation but I think it was a Gretsch. ????
from what i remember of the new orleans show at the house of blues in august, his gear appeared to be the same gear that i saw on the sessions from west 54 dvd; the acoustic guitars could have been different, but the electric guitars were the same ones.
A late 50s Fender Deluxe, i think.
i'm still wondering what Neil's signal chain is... what kind of effects in what order?

does he run the amps parallel or use an A/B switch between the amps so he can use them for different things. or perhaps an ABY switch that allows all the above?

according to Beatles Gear, John Lennon used a tweed Deluxe in the pre-EMI days of the Beatles.
it's wild guess that this was an inspiration for this amp combination.
Hey thanks for the info John and Mr. Dreamer, Checking through the DVD I noticed that that acoustic reads Gibson on headstock, how on earth could they have afforded something like that so early in their careers? :|

Neil also plays an "Ovation" acoustic in the Bold as Brass video, the same guitar Phil Judd is playing in Sweet Dreams and the like... I like that guitar.

Have any of you more detailed info on the make of his I See Red Rickenbacker, I can't find anything even remotely resembling it on the Rickenbacker website... any help?

Thanks!
quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wilson is God.:
Have any of you more detailed info on the make of his I See Red Rickenbacker, I can't find anything even remotely resembling it on the Rickenbacker website... any help?

Thanks! [/QB]
if you can post a capture from the video showing the guitar, i might be able to ID it.

is there a region 1 NTSC version of the Enz video compilation DVD available?
Oh dear, I've not the ability to capture DVD screens... Could any other kind soul take some good captures of the I See Red guitar from a few angles... Please? Smiler
I noticed on the recent tour that Neil appeared to be playing a Burns 12 string.
Is that correct ?
Great guitars. Superagrass use one or two.

Nice
I had a look on the Burns website, and their "Double-Six" looks nothing like Neil's 12-er that he played on the current tour. So that is probably a Maton.

Also - someone mentioned a LP Goldtop, and a LP '68... are we talking about the same guitar? 'Cos the LP he used on 7WC (as the picture currently adorning my desktop will show) was definitely black. But the LP he used at the Fleadh in 1994 with CH was a Goldtop (as was Mark Hart's, incidentally).

Has he stopped using the Goldtop and replaced it. Has anyone seen the Goldtop since June 1994? Did the black LP make an appearance before May 2001? Should I stop asking questions now?

Chris.
quote:
Originally posted by CJ:
[qb] Also - someone mentioned a LP Goldtop, and a LP '68... are we talking about the same guitar? 'Cos the LP he used on 7WC (as the picture currently adorning my desktop will show) was definitely black. But the LP he used at the Fleadh in 1994 with CH was a Goldtop (as was Mark Hart's, incidentally).

Has he stopped using the Goldtop and replaced it. Has anyone seen the Goldtop since June 1994? Did the black LP make an appearance before May 2001? Should I stop asking questions now?

Chris. [/qb]
The black guitar on 7WC was a Gretsch, not a Gibson Les Paul.
He played his gold-top Les Paul Deluxe ALOT on the tours supporting TWT.
The Rickenbacker in the I See Red clip is the six string model of the 12 string that George Harrison played in the Beatles isn't it? Certainly that's what it looks like. I can't seen an extra row of machine heads, so it looks like a 6 string. From memory it's a Rickenbacker 330... though I could have the # wrong Smiler
I used to have Neil's guitar tech's contact info... Here is what his main setup is:

Guitars:
70's Gibson les Paul Deluxe (gold top)
Gretsch Firebird/Duo Jet (50's)
Maton EBG808 (I actually have an identical one, custom!)

Amps:
Vox AC30 (sometimes vintage, mostly reissue)
Fender Blues Junior

Pedals:
Crowther Hotcake
Boss VB-2 Vibrato
Dunlop Hendrix Fuzz/Wah
Boomerang (introduced for Finn Bros tour)
Boss DM-2

That's all I remember...
HAHAHA! After months of searching, I've found the guitar Neil was using in the "I See Red" clip, certainly a Rickenbacker, but it was a thin full body Rick 360-75,

http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/360f/360f.htm

"Deluxe models 360f to 375f discontinued 1973."

How on earth could Neil have afforded one of those back then? They had no money! And if they were discontinued in 73, how the hell did he get one... Big Grin

Please, someone that knows Neil please ask! Smiler
quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wilson is God.:
[qb] HAHAHA! After months of searching, I've found the guitar Neil was using in the "I See Red" clip, certainly a Rickenbacker, but it was a thin full body Rick 360-75,

http://www.rickbeat.com/modelslibrary/360f/360f.htm

"Deluxe models 360f to 375f discontinued 1973."

How on earth could Neil have afforded one of those back then? They had no money! And if they were discontinued in 73, how the hell did he get one... Big Grin

Please, someone that knows Neil please ask! Smiler [/qb]
Perhaps he bought it used?
Probably the most likely Dreamer, I think he may have lost this guitar in the Nambassa fire... Shame really, I haven't seen him use it before or since...
Yup, he DID lose it in the Nambassa file. As did Nigel with his bass (a Rickenbacker too I think). Somewhere in storage I have a fact sheet from way back in the Enz day where they were asked about their equipment. Neil referred to 2 guitars I think to which he added, "both now in ashes". Come to think of it, I guess I just assumed that it was the Nambassa fire. Of course, it could have been some other fire - but that would be on hell of a lot of bad luck for one band don't you think?!
Hello Everyone! (My first post!)

I'm a huge fan of Maton guitars mostly due to Neil and Tim.
My pride and joy is a custom Maton EGB808 made with the exact same specs as Neil's model.
Maton were very good about it all- checking their books to make sure it was the same as what they'd recorded for Finn's.

I often wonder if 808 Song was named after Neil's guitar. Does anyone know?
quote:
Originally posted by Kid A:
[qb] Hello Everyone! (My first post!)

I'm a huge fan of Maton guitars mostly due to Neil and Tim.
My pride and joy is a custom Maton EGB808 made with the exact same specs as Neil's model.
Maton were very good about it all- checking their books to make sure it was the same as what they'd recorded for Finn's.

I often wonder if 808 Song was named after Neil's guitar. Does anyone know? [/qb]
wow! i'm kind of surprised they would make one identical to neil's. that's cool. Smiler always wanted me an EGB808. what a beautiful guitar!

as far as i know, everything i've read points to the 808 song indeed being named after the guitar.
Yeah, certainly agree with that. Maton do make great sounding guitars; the small-bodied ones, the "BlueGrass" series (BG, EBG) have such a big sound!

Sure, Maton will do any customisation you want (at a price). Maton offer a set of custom options to make the guitar look different, so sure, you can make your EBG808 look like one of Neil's if you want. Check out the website www.maton.com.au

But Martin and Collings also make very nice-sounding small-bodied guitars. Check out (if you're in a Martin dealer shop) the Martin "Eric Clapton" signature model (OK, if you have USD 10,000 lying around).

The Martin guitar Neil plays on the Edible Flowers video is a Martin "Graham Nash" signature model: all Mahogany body...looks amazing, and probably sounds the same ("only" around USD 5000 according to their website). It looks a bit like the guitar you see Robert Johnson playing on the front of that compilation CD of his stuff. Cool or what?

The originator of this thread was interested in all Neil's guitars from
"Day 1", I think...

Well the first electric he bought (in Soho, London, aged 19, Day 1 with Split Enz)was a Yamaha. Can't remember the model number, but it had a double cutaway. You can see it in early Split Enz concert pics. You can still get them
because I saw one in a guitar shop in Singapore a couple of years ago. The Yamaha website is probably a good place to check the latest...!

The LP Goldtop he played at the very first Crowded House gig (Middle Park Hotel, Melbourne, 1986, supporting Split Enz) was a 1964 Les Paul Goldtop. Of course, he may have other ones, too... If you want a Goldtop, I think Gibson only do LP Standards as Goldtops now, but check the webpage. Of course, if you happen to be a Rock-god, a guitar-maker will do any
customisation/alteration you desire for free (publicity).

Any idea what was the pillar-box red thin-line acoustic Neil plays at the beginning of the "I Like To Watch" video? Think it might be another Yamaha...
quote:
Originally posted by RavingChat:
[qb] Sure, Maton will do any customisation you want (at a price). Maton offer a set of custom options to make the guitar look different, so sure, you can make your EBG808 look like one of Neil's if you want. Check out the website www.maton.com.au[/qb]
i was interested enough at one point to get maton to price one for me. i didn't ask for the specs to be identical to neil's, but the price came to around $5,000 new zealand. at that time the exchange rate was about half, so it would have been a good deal for me, but i decided not to buy it.

you mention the martin small bodied guitars, besides the clapton one, they also have their own 'blue grass' model. i haven't seen it in a while, but last time i did it was about $700. i don't know how it sounds, but i have a martin DM that was in that price range and i love playing it and how it sounds. they make good guitars.
Anyone know what Neil is playing on the Weather with you video of the special ed. EIH? I'd be v.grateful if someone could give me the details as I have no clue when it comes to guitars...
One of the good things I find about the smaller bodied guitar in general is the ergonomics of it- I find it easier to play than the standard size.

Raving Chat, I'm pretty sure the red acoustic is a Yamaha. :-)
Oh, Vieoray, you really should get yourself one (a Maton, I mean), man. They are not cheap, but they are awsome guitars and tremendous value (compared to a Martin, I was thinking). I mean, I thought the Martin Eric Clapton sounded great when I tried it, but did it sound (to my ear) better than my Maton? Not sure about that... It's like auditioning hi-fi: do you actually get a better listening experience for the extra bucks?

Maton are extremely helpful about shipping, in my experience. It's all door-to-door!

I agree 100% with Kid A about the smaller-bodied guitar experience. Holding a dreadnought now feels pretty strange...

Like mrsfrog, I, too, would like to know what the 12-string was Neil has been using on the EIH tour. I'm sorry, I can't help you there... :-(
the smaller guitars are called parlour guitars, i believe.
i wish i had one!
comfort issues aside (they are quite comfy!), i like how they are generally less boomy and have better upper midrange articulation.
yah, muso alert here.
quote:
Originally posted by Reformed Dreamer:
[qb] the smaller guitars are called parlour guitars, i believe.
i wish i had one!
comfort issues aside (they are quite comfy!), i like how they are generally less boomy and have better upper midrange articulation.
yah, muso alert here. [/qb]
they are also called auditorium guitars. i like playing them because i'm a smaller guy, and it just feels more natural and comfortable than a dreadnought.
i wanna start learning to play guitar.Its something i've always wanted to do but never found the time.Now i have some spare time i've decided to learn.I want to learn to play acoustic guitar first and was wondering what is best guitar to get for a beginner.I can afford to spend about �200.

Roger
RIP Paul
not meaning to stray too far off topic but to answer your question crowdieman, you should go to your local guitar shop and ask for help. tell them your budget, and get them to show you a few guitars within your constraints. request to hold the guitars, strum them, see which one feels comfortable to you and sounds how you want to sound. finding the guitar that's comfortable to you is the biggest thing. ask questions and buy the one that feels and sounds the best. then be very, very patient and have fun Smiler
I've been wondering what that big red Gretsch he owns was. He uses it A LOT. Now I know, and as I suspected I couldn't afford one even if I came across one similar. Fender bought Gretsch and the quality on the guitars this mere mortal can own is reported to be pretty ho-hum (they have electrical problems in the new jet models).

He definitely has a gold top Gibson...that could use a pick guard I might add, but at least it shows he uses/loves it.

In the most recent Finn Bros tour, I swear I saw him using an electric 12-string that looked to have Maton on the head...any thoughts?
As far as I know, Black Cloud- that Gretsch is a Firebird. I think it's a 58? That's just off the top of my head.

As I recall it was a gift from a fan who owned a music store in the US. Someone might want to correct me with better details.
yes, i believe you're correct kid a. but...is that the guitar neil lost and then found some time later? seems like i remember him misplacing a guitar that was given to him as a gift and it turned back up eventually.
He LOST a Gretsch?
Man.

The Firebird of Neil's came from Athens, Georgia or so Chris Bourke's biography says. It was given to him by generous man called Mike Guthrie in 1991 (I think)- it's possible he did lose this one as it doesn't seem to appear for ages in their live shows.
yes, if i remember correctly, an airline lost one of neil's guitars, but it turned up after some time (two years or more?). i THINK it might be the gretsch, or maybe i am mixing the two stories of the lost guitar and the gift guitar together.
ok, i did some research on this:

apparently neil owns a duojet and a firebird.
the DUOJET was given to neil by a guitar store owner in Austin:
from an interview in 1998 with neil, where he was asked "what's your most treasured possession?"

"It used to be my Gretsch Duojet guitar. I was in Austin, Texas, feeling miserable because I had the flu, and this guy who owned a vintage guitar store showed me this guitar and turned up at the show that night to give it to me."

it was also the DUOJET neil lost:
"Unfortunately the airline lost it on the way from Melbourne a couple of years ago, so that was my most treasured."

ok...so we know neil has the firebird, because he plays it now. but did he ever recover the duojet? i seem to recall him having a duojet. didn't he play one on suffer never on the seven worlds collide dvd? it's a blueish color with silver trim...
I've definitely seen him more recently with a semi-hollow Gretsch. I'm not remembering if it was live, live feed, DVD or what. Both that he uses/used have Bigsby tremolos are are similar enough in color to be confusing in stage lighting (red looks black in green light, blue looks black in green light, etc.)

Not that I want to own a Gretsch or anything like that. Does anyone have US$3000 they want to donate?
This is from a 2002 article in Acoustic Guitar magazine:
"Neil Finn plays two custom-made Maton EBG808 acoustic guitars. Maton Guitars (http://www.maton.com.au) is known for using native Australian tonewoods for its guitars' backs, sides, and necks, and Alaskan spruce for the tops. Rather than playing through an amp, Finn plugs his acoustics straight into a DI during his live performances. D'Addario EJ16s are his strings of choice, and he uses Dunlop .073 guitar picks and Kyser capos. On the electric side, he plays a 1958 Gretsch Firebird and a 1968 Gibson goldtop Les Paul."
I can kinda see where Stuart Murphy was going with the Burns 12 string, the main thing i got against it, is the 'head' of the guitar is different, and the body of Neils 12er looks like the bodies of some of the 6ers. The maton 12er looks nothing like the 12 Neil played in Australia (I know i been drooling over one for about 12 months). Anyone got any other suggestions? i really like that 12 string.
I was 6 feet from it in Oxford and it's definitely a Maton, it says so. Must be some custom-made job.
The 12 string as seen at the Albert Hall gigs recently is definitely a Maton.

The Gretsch Duo Jet Neil had lost by the airline was black in colour, I last saw him play it at the 1st Finn tour back in 95 at the Islington Union Chapel....not sure if he ever got it back?? I don't think so.

Zola
quote:
Originally posted by Lovethislife:
[qb] The 12 string as seen at the Albert Hall gigs recently is definitely a Maton.
[/qb]
THANK YOU. I'm not crazy. I was in the front row of a show in the US (meaning I could have pretty much mugged Neil if I'd wanted) and that's what I saw. It looked like it was orange too. Weird little guitar. If I can get this to work...it looked a bit like this guitar (Maton Flamenco circa 1960s), but 12-string and w/o the bigsby. It also had some tone switches in addition to the volume knob.



Well, hell, here's a pic someone got at RAH.

Well I've got my first Vox AC30 on the way...

Now all I need is a Gold Top Les Paul Wink and a voice and some talent...

cheers,
joey
to you guys who were so close to the maton 12 string electric: what does that label say underneath one of the switches? you can see it in the picture above, look directly underneath neil's hand at the white square. you can almost see what it says on the everyone is here bonus DVD, but i can't quite make it out.
I see the Crowther Hotcake that Neil uses is made by the ex Split Enz drummer Paul Crowther...

I can't find a website for Crowther Audio to read about the Hotcake...

does a website exist??

thanks,
joey
I don't think Mr Crowther has a Website, but you could find out information via Google, particularly the Aus (com.au) and NZ (co.nz)Googles. He makes a limited number every year which get distributed to musical instrument shops in Aus and NZ. You may be able to get one that ships, or you may find some in the US, you never know.

If you're a bass player, check out the Crowther "Prunes and Custard", too...
Thanks RavingChat,

What does Prunes and Custard do that is good for bass? I am mainly guitar, but occasionally play bass.
Paul Crowther will actually sell you a Hotcake directly from New Zealand.

I have been in email contact with him, and he says it is OK to post his email address here, but not to post prices. So if you want a price, just email him.

Email
croth@clear.net.nz

cheers,
xc
There's been a lot of interest in Neil's "new" 12-string he's had in the recent shows, and the people who had their money on it being a Maton would be right! Smiler

I wrote to Neville Kitchen (Maton's CEO), whom I met a couple of years ago and he confirmed.

It's a Fyrbyrd FB 1220 from 1965 or 1966. (so it's not so "new") You can download the specs from here. (Choose the model and scroll to the bottom of the page):

Check out the original price! Big Grin

http://www.maton.com.au/resultlist.asp?modelcode=&model...submitButtonName.y=0

(or you can type Fyrbyrd in the search box).

Bad news 1: there is no nice pic Frowner
Bad news 2: Maton don't make them anymore (unless you can convince Neville that you're a rock-god). Frowner (
Bad news 3: they have none left in their inventory, so you can put your credit card away Frowner ((
There are some grainy pics (from 40 years ago), but no nice ones, in the PDF data sheets.

If you type Fyrbyrd in the quick search on the home page you'll get all the Fyrbyrds.
quote:
Originally posted by RavingChat:
[qb] It's a Fyrbyrd FB 1220 from 1965 or 1966. [/qb]
Thanks for that RavingChat!

I for one was tearing my hair out trying to work out what that guitar was!

It is a very nice axe, and I am going to keep my eyes peeled for a six-string fyrbyrd to add to my mastersound.
Well, you never know, southofpiha, you may be lucky. I, for one, haven't stopped looking but I live in Europe and it wasn't until last year that Maton had a European distribution (and then only in Italy, I think), so the chances of my finding a Fyrbyrd over here, in a vintage guitar shop, are pretty slim.

But you never know... Keep looking and stay tuned!
to eevie: maton are a australian made guitar who specialise in acoustic. they play beautiful and their sound is warm. unfortunatley...i dont have one! but i will..it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine!
RavingChat, there was a '62-63 model fyrbyrd on australian ebay that finished the other day and went for around $1200, but it was the earlier shape, different to Neil's. The one I want is for sale at a Melbourne store, but I just need to find the $1500 to buy it! (though I'm sure it's more than worth it)

I have a Maton Mastersound that I picked up last year and has been great to me. I had no idea that Maton had been making electrics for so long!

I'll eventually get my hands on that guitar. If you ever need help finding one, let me know, and I'll keep my eyes peeled.

Cheers again!
Oh, right: cool! You see, there are some around, southofpiha...! I think guitar shops in Melbourne or Sydney are going to be a good bet! Unfortunately, I'm on your side of the planet only once or twice a year, so it's a bit hit or miss.

I suggested to Neville Kitchen, that I thought there would be a big demand for these old Fyrbyrds, thanks to Neil... Maybe we should lobby for their re-introduction into the Maton inventory....?
Many thanks for the heads-up, theworld whereyoulive! I'll certainly check them out next time I'm in town.

I see they even have a webpage...
Wow, this great thread is still going. This is good stuff - we should consolidate all the details Smiler

I wanted to add, that Neil is also using a UniVibe (Dunlop).

and he uses Jim Dunlop .73 and .88 picks and Kyser capos.

* The red Gretsch (Firebird) is a '58 (or '59)
* The Les Paul Goldtop/Deluxe? I don't know, it's confusing - it'ss most likely from the early 70's...I don't believe they didn't do the mini-humbuckers until '69. Can't believe the fact I saw an identical one in a local shop ('73) Goldtop, mini-humbuckers and even the black plastic around the switch - too bad I didn't have $1500 sitting around)

Neil also used alot of Danelectro's (The Bellzouki 12 string and a Guitarlin (with the long horns, deep cutaways) during the Together Alone era)

He also have a Gretsch White Penguin hanging on the wall in his basement studio as well as a double cutaway, Gretsch DuoJet. There seem to be alot of goodies on that wall.


I am sure the pedal setup changes, but I have also seen it with just the Jimi Hendrix Dunlop Wah, the Hotcake, DD-3 Boss Delay and a Boss Tuner)

Can any of you, who have the (E)BG808, compare it to the Taylor 312/314/412/414? In body sound and size?
quote:
Originally posted by Evvie:
Well, he can't lip-synch.

I'm enjoying this thread even though I'm not very guitar-savvy. I'm curious to know more about Maton guitars. What are their hallmarks in appearance, playability, and sound?

Evvie


Hi Evvie,

I know this is a late reply, but I play Maton acoustics exclusively cos I just adore them. For me, the hallmark Maton sound is that warm glorious mid-tone without tinny upper ranges. You can get some models with fabulous lower ranges to them, notably the 808 series, which is the one Neil plays.

Great thing about Maton is they're 100% Aussie made and don't cost the earth for a great sound. Don't look past the laminate models (I've got an 808BGL), they can sound just as good for half the price.

Cheers - Tahl.
Alfred, in last months Audio Technology magazine, there is an article on Split Enz. There is also a photo of Neil's guitar pedals (some 10 or so he used at the concerts!), which I'm sure is what you were after.
This goes to show how little I know about guitars - I didn't even realise you could get smaller ones! I've often wondered why Neil's acoustic guitars seem smaller on him, while I struggle with my dad's. I'm not a big girl so the idea of a smaller guitar that I won't be battling with sounds rather good...might have to convince my dad of that Big Grin
Man, this would make such a cool tv programme!

Picture the scene, Neil giving us a tour round his studio, showing us his guitars, amps, pedals etc he's been using throughout his career..

Oh well, i'm allowed to dream aren't i?
Oh my God. That would be mindblowingly awesome! the music geek in me just did a little scream of excitement at that idea. Big Grin
quote:
Originally posted by Gunnar:
Wow, this great thread is still going. This is good stuff - we should consolidate all the details Smiler

I wanted to add, that Neil is also using a UniVibe (Dunlop).

and he uses Jim Dunlop .73 and .88 picks and Kyser capos.

* The red Gretsch (Firebird) is a '58 (or '59)
* The Les Paul Goldtop/Deluxe? I don't know, it's confusing - it'ss most likely from the early 70's...I don't believe they didn't do the mini-humbuckers until '69. Can't believe the fact I saw an identical one in a local shop ('73) Goldtop, mini-humbuckers and even the black plastic around the switch - too bad I didn't have $1500 sitting around


Neil's Les Paul Goldtop is a '69. This comes from John Walsh, Neil's guitar Tech.
quote:
Originally posted by Mandy:
Alfred, in last months Audio Technology magazine, there is an article on Split Enz. There is also a photo of Neil's guitar pedals (some 10 or so he used at the concerts!), which I'm sure is what you were after.


Any chance of yourself or some other kind person posting that pic here?? Never could figure out what he used in pedals besides the Wah & HotCake.
Just wanted to "BUMP" this request(above) along in the hope that someone has a picture of NF's pedals Wink
quote:
The Martin guitar Neil plays on the Edible Flowers video is a Martin "Graham Nash" signature model: all Mahogany body...looks amazing, and probably sounds the same ("only" around USD 5000 according to their website).


Are you sure it's the Graham Nash? Neil's doesn't match the photos I've seen of it - his doesn't have the black decorated headstock, and the binding looks different. My dad has a mahogany Martin DC15E, it's a beautiful guitar.
i scored a Hotcake 2 months ago and love it, tho it does sound rather darker than i'd imagined.

seems to work best as either a darkish overdrive or as a coloured boost before an amp that's already breaking up.

wasn't he using a blue Boss vibrato pedal at some point recently?

i also think i saw a Hughes & Kettner Tube Rotosphere in there on the Sessions at West 54th DVD.

*waits patiently for someone to scan in and post the pic of Neil's pedalboard*
Okay, Neil opened and closed tonight's webcast with an old Epiphone Casino; Mark played it at some point as well. Is this a new guitar for Neil? (Or is it Mark's? The new picture of Mark at the Crowded House website shows him playing the Casino.)

The Casino is closely associated with the Beatles--John, Paul, and George each had one, and Paul continues to play his in concert and in the studio to this day (it's all over his last album). Given Neil's clear fondness for Beatlesque sounds, it's not surprising that he would find the Casino appealing. But I've never seen him with one before, or heard it mentioned that he had one. Anyone know anything about it? This was pretty clearly a guitar from the sixties--the burst is more of an iced-tea than the tobacco sunburst associated with John's Casino that Epiphone still features today. Neil's guitar looks more like George's (although it has a different trem on it).
oh yeh its from Thekla Bristol
left to right Boss DD-3,Boss VB-2,Crowther Hotcake(Vintage switch),Crybaby Wahwah,Boss Tuner, Boss Acoustic Tuner,with a sansamp Acoustic Di!!
Hope this is ok!!
Can anyone enlighten me as to how he achieves his chorus effects? Boss again? I'm particularly interested in the sound he used on 'Nobody Wants To' and 'Say That Again', on the new album. It's a gorgeous sound, very 'glassy'. Anyone?
Welsh Dan its the Boss VB-2,(its a bit of a holy grail pedal now) very hard to get hold of as they are disscontinued!! on e-bay you could proberbly get one for £175-250!!! yes that much!!
alternative you could use the elelctro-harmonix delux memory man that has a vibrato on it!(it sounds very similar)£169
hope this helps
Robbie, thanks very much for that. Much appreciated. Just out of interest, if you don't mind me asking, how did you actually find that out?
On Acoustic, Neil has used a Dunlop 1.0 mm pick... he gave me one after playing Into Temptation on acoustic.

strum
Welsh Dan,
Im a guitarist myself!
and I have the VB-2 and the Memory Man, when I heard the tracks no doubt he was using some studio outboard-software gear that studios use but having seen him live a few times he switches the VB-2 on for a few songs ie-Locked out,ect, the Memory Man has a lovely analog wash of delay and vibrato, hit a few notes and its instant Dont Stop Now!!!Riff!!
Though the VB-2 is the real deal!! its kinda got a less harsh vib to it,when two guitars are playing together one straight and Vibrato you get a nice ocilation(Spelling!)spread!and create some interesting soundscapes!
Cheers for all the info Robbie!

You're so right about the VB-2, it's nigh on impossible to get hold of one now! You're lucky to have one! Am a bit dubious about getting one from e-bay, so I'm thinking of getting a Memeory Man Deluxe - you say it compares favourably with the VB-2 yeh? Sound wise?
Well its not as dry as the VB-2 but it has a lovely tone to it
here is a link to listen to it

http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F...ucts%2F01%5FEH%5FDVD

if that doesnt work go to www.ehx.com go to effects, go to dvd then media and pick the memory man,
But please check out other pedals
there are some nice boutique (home made) pedals out there after all its only wires and electric parts in a box I know when I last looked there were people making vibrato pedals and some of them are very nice and you have the luxury of it being one of a kind!
So I would put Boss VB-2 into a search engine on ebay and you should see some nice pedals come up
quote:
Originally posted by Welsh Dan:
Cheers for all the info Robbie!

You're so right about the VB-2, it's nigh on impossible to get hold of one now! You're lucky to have one! Am a bit dubious about getting one from e-bay, so I'm thinking of getting a Memeory Man Deluxe - you say it compares favourably with the VB-2 yeh? Sound wise?


most of my pedal puchases have all been ebay and now have a swag of things i would never have got close to owning, usually at a very cheap price too. don't be afraid !!
Well lads thanks for that veritable gold mine of info. All very much appreciated. I'm off to tentatively check out Ebay right now..

Thanks

Dan
Folks,

Being a gear-head, this is the best thread ever! Thanks for sharing all this! Big Grin

PS: there was a series on ABC Australia a couple years ago which interviewed famous guitarists, explored their gear, how they came up with riffs and sounds etc.

I've forgotten what the show was called, but I saw the Angus Young episode a while back and loved it (I'm not even an AC/DC fan). I think the production company was called Chieftan (or big Chief)... they used the Indian motorbike logo... It would be brilliant if they had of done a Finn episode.

PPS: I owned a couple of MIJ Gretsches until earlier this year - a White Falcon and a black double-cutaway Duo Jet (both sold due to a relationship break-up).

I bought and imported them both from the USA from eBay and got them for LESS than half the price I would pay for them in Australia, even after paying expensive freight costs, GST and import taxes.

Cheers

Andy
The show was simply called The Guitar Show and was fantastic. it ran for two series and gets shown sometimes on ABC2 or Ovation on cable.

got em all on tape, had a student of mine tape them each week for me.
quote:
punkrok78

Hi punkrok78,

thanks for the reply and the name of the show. I know this is off-topic, but who else appeared in the series? I only saw the AC/DC - Young brothers episode.

Cheers

Andy
Hi again, I found the show's website and despite being a few years old, it has an episode listing for all 13 episodes. What an awesome show... Wish I had seen the entire series.

Cheers

Andy
i remember other good guests where Richie Sambora and Bob Brozeman. Bob was extraordinary showing how he does those slide harmonics. A lot of episodes were shot around the time of one of the Byron Blues fests so meant a lot of similar acts. Ben Harper was probably on it.
quote:
Originally posted by RavingChat:
There's been a lot of interest in Neil's "new" 12-string he's had in the recent shows, and the people who had their money on it being a Maton would be right! Smiler


I came across a nice close-up of Neil playing The Maton Fyrebird - and he's wearing a Maton strap too!

Click here to see the Maton 12-string

Cheers

Andy
quote:
Originally posted by RavingChat:
Well the first electric he bought (in Soho, London, aged 19, Day 1 with Split Enz)was a Yamaha. Can't remember the model number, but it had a double cutaway. You can see it in early Split Enz concert pics. You can still get them because I saw one in a guitar shop in Singapore a couple of years ago.


The Yamaha solid body electric Neil played in his early Split Enz days was a Yamaha SG 800 series guitar.

The SG 500, SG 700 and SG 800 are essentially affordable versions of the SG1000/2000/3000s.

The main differences are cosmetic. The SG500/700/800 have less binding, simpler headstock designs, open or plastic covered pickups and chrome instead of gold hardware.

The cheaper models still share the same mahogany body and set neck as the more expensive models, but the 800 has dot markers on the fretboard instead of trapezoid inlays.

In the day, the Yamaha SG series posed a big threat to the traditional Gibson Les Paul market and the guitar became very popular in the 1980's.

High profile players using Yamaha SG guitars include Carlos Santana, and in the UK, Midge Ure (UltraVox & Visage) and the guys from Big Country. There was also this young Kiwi chap playing in his brother's band...

Hope that is of help or interest to someone, somewhere.

Cheers

Andy
Canberra, Australia
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bloodshift:
This is a great thread, since I'm a VERY amateur guitarist myself. Neil's Les Paul Deluxe is to me the second most iconic musical instrument in existence--only Paul McC.'s Hofners beat it in my eyes.

QUOTE]

You'll notice in the KCRW broadcast from last month that Neil has 2 Les Paul goldtops (or maybe Mark has one of his own?).

There's one track where Mark and Neil are playing one each I think. One looks quite fresh and the older looking one has gained a pick guard that it sorely needed... I'm assuming that's the '68 Neils had for years and years.
I think Mark also has his own goldtop, his is the shinier new looking one...I think there was a mention a few pages back that Neil's now playing a '71 goldtop, having broken the headstock of his '68 a few too many times (after reading about how the angle of the headstock and the truss rodd makes that part at the top of the neck particularly fragile it I've stopped laying my LP on its back!).
quote:
Originally posted by melbournian:
(after reading about how the angle of the headstock and the truss rodd makes that part at the top of the neck particularly fragile it I've stopped laying my LP on its back!).


All Gibson electrics seem prone to headstock breakage... beautiful guitars though.

Cheers

Andy
Mark's goldtop has full sized humbuckers, while Neil's has mini-humbuckers.

In Chicago, Neil using a black double cutaway Gretsch Jet, in addition to his usual guitars. I think it was used for "Say That Again".
For those wondering, Neil only has one goldtop and it's the same one he's always had. I asked John Walsh and he said Neil's only ever had the one.
Hey Tracy - next time you have a chance to talk to John Walsh, can you ask him where they got the mic stand mount for Mark's lap steel? My lead guitarist plays lap steel and I'm always trying to get him to figure out a way to play standing up.

Thanks!
I love good gear porn and that pedal board shot was a definite centerfold. If anyone can get good shots at any of the shows please post them here.
quote:
Originally posted by WindowSills:
In Chicago, Neil using a black double cutaway Gretsch Jet, in addition to his usual guitars. I think it was used for "Say That Again".


Wow, I didn't know Neil used or played a double cutaway Gretsch Duo Jet. I've only seen him play the single cutaway black Duo Jet and red Jet Firebird.

Does anyone have any photos of Neil playing a double cutaway Gretsch Duo Jet?

I used to own a MIJ double cutaway Gretsch Duo Jet (G6128T-1962 Duo Jet w/ Bigsby). A fun guitar to play. It was as light as a feather too, due to the chambered semi-hollow body.

Cheers

Andy
Canberra, Australia
Andy, I'm by no means a guitar expert, but would it be this one?

There are some closer shots there too (thanks to Craig for the pix).

I think these were taken during Nobody Wants To - IIRC it was the only song that night where Neil played this particular guitar. I had a very close view, and I remember that guitar - I was fascinated by the areas of wear along the top of the frets - I assume it's a vintage one - made me think about its previous life Wink
quote:
Originally posted by Tracy:
For those wondering, Neil only has one goldtop and it's the same one he's always had. I asked John Walsh and he said Neil's only ever had the one.


I know that Neil has a goldtop. What is the other Gibson with finger plate that he plays with?
I remember seeing the double-cutaway Duo Jet last week in Chicago. I don't remember what song he used it for, but it wasn't Nobody Wants To (they didn't play that song).

The goldtop really is pretty beat up--it has a great vibe. I do wonder if it's been restored once or twice--beat up as it looked, it looked to be in better shape than it was in the Sessions at W.54th DVD.

I was sorry not to see the vintage Casino. although I understand they can be a real pain to manage onstage because of their tendency to feed back. That would have been an asset for Silent House, though, wouldn't it?
quote:
Originally posted by surferlisa:
quote:
Originally posted by Tracy:
For those wondering, Neil only has one goldtop and it's the same one he's always had. I asked John Walsh and he said Neil's only ever had the one.


I know that Neil has a goldtop. What is the other Gibson with finger plate that he plays with?


What I was saying is that he has only had ONE goldtop. Some have thought that he had two and we had a discussion about this awhile ago. Don't know about the Gibson. You'll have to ask John Walsh or Neil.
quote:
Originally posted by Tracy:
quote:
Originally posted by surferlisa:
quote:
Originally posted by Tracy:
For those wondering, Neil only has one goldtop and it's the same one he's always had. I asked John Walsh and he said Neil's only ever had the one.


I know that Neil has a goldtop. What is the other Gibson with finger plate that he plays with?



What I was saying is that he has only had ONE goldtop. Some have thought that he had two and we had a discussion about this awhile ago. Don't know about the Gibson. You'll have to ask John Walsh or Neil.



I'm pretty sure that i know what it is now, I think a Gibson Les Paul Deluxe Gold Top.

Thanks Lisa
Just looking at John walshs myspace and I think Neil has added some effects to his board
on the top it looks as though its a memory man!!
then into his dd-3 then most prob a reverb unit
I have a line6 verbzilla that on the octo setting sounds like the effect on 'a sigh'
neil's got two goldtops. both are 70's les paul deluxe models.

GUITAR ONE:
the one he's always had - no pickguard, black ring around the toggle switch and non original tuners. probably schallers.
this one is the more 'worn' looking one with the crazed finish. (Looks really new in the split enz message to my girl video)

As somebody mentioned before, the neck has been broken at the headstock. You can tell because there are shots of it on the '96 farewell gig where the volute area has been clearly refinished darker (almost black). this is typical of a neck repair.
i've got videos of a '88 melbourne show where the neck volute area was still the original colour (not black). So it must have been broken some time in between. Its also got a pancake body. You can see it from the close ups on the farewell dvd during the world where you live guitar solo.

GUITAR TWO:
The second one seems to be new. New as in, i've only started seeing it since the live aid gig. It sports the pickguard, a cream coloured ring around the toggle switch and the original green tulip tuners. Its finish is in much better condition and doesnt have all the crazing.

Both have the extra rings/pickup surrounds around the mini humbuckers. Both are probably early 70s as gibson only put these rings around the mini humbuckers during that period. Doesnt matter what John Walsh or Neil says - neither one of the guitars are from 68. Gibson didnt have volutes, pancake bodies or the extra pickup rings on the Les Paul Deluxe until early 70s.

If you check out the photos in this thread - you can see he's using BOTH guitars at the same gig: http://frenzforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7601061171/m/2621074924

yeah i know - its a little weird that i've been taking notice of such details for the last ten years.
Don't see the pickguard on the second LP.

Also always figured those non-stock tuners to be Grovers.
According to John Walsh, Neil has only one Goldtop. When I asked him if Neil had more than one Goldtop he replied, "Neil's 1969 Gibson Gold Top is the same one he's always had, he only owns the one."

Maybe Neil was using Mark's guitar? Confused
I did ask John Walsh about the guitar that i was on about he said that Neil has two 1971 Gibson Deluxe Goldtop.

Which are different to the Gibson Goldtop.
quote:
Originally posted by alucidor:
Andy, I'm by no means a guitar expert, but would it be this one?

There are some closer shots there too (thanks to Craig for the pix).

I think these were taken during Nobody Wants To - IIRC it was the only song that night where Neil played this particular guitar. I had a very close view, and I remember that guitar - I was fascinated by the areas of wear along the top of the frets - I assume it's a vintage one - made me think about its previous life Wink


alucidor,

You're a legend! Thanks very much for the pic. I had no idea Neil had a double cutaway Duo Jet. Awesome! Smiler

Cheers

Andy
Canberra, Australia
quote:
Originally posted by robbie:
Just looking at John walshs myspace and I think Neil has added some effects to his board
on the top it looks as though its a memory man!!
then into his dd-3 then most prob a reverb unit
I have a line6 verbzilla that on the octo setting sounds like the effect on 'a sigh'


which pic can u see it in ??
Page 7
4th down
Looking a bit more closely I think hes put the vb-2 at the end!after the dd-3!
Not sure what the pedal is after the Hotcake
it could be another distortion?
Page 8 top 3rd along it a blue pedal could be a Plextortion!or another type of boutique pedal
I have another question for you all. What model is the elecrtic 12 string that Mark Hart used during the together alone / fttw time? It's black and I cant see and branding marks on it.

Any help?

i have had a look over this thread and I haven't seen anyone post on it, just the maton fyrbyrd.
The 12 string that Mark used to use was a Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones makes guitars based on popular Danelectro models of the 50's and 60's with higher quality than either the originals or the reissues (which came after JJ began making their versions).
Cheers, I thought it looked like a Danelectro but they dont have a 12 string.

Next question (This one may be a bit harder).
How do you get the sort of atmospheric effect that Neil does on the end of Silent House and Suffer Never (You can see them do it really well on the 7 world collide dvd). I reckon its cool. So what pedals would I need to pull it off?
quote:
Originally posted by robbie:
I have a very good pic of Neils pedal board


oh yeh its from Thekla Bristol
left to right Boss DD-3,Boss VB-2,Crowther Hotcake(Vintage switch),Crybaby Wahwah,Boss Tuner, Boss Acoustic Tuner

Acoustic DI
Pedal Power


Anyone know exactly which models of the Crybaby Wahwah, Boss Tuner, and Boss Acoustic Tuner appear in the photo? It's also difficult to tell how the various equipment is connected. robbie, if you have a larger and/or more resolute copy of the picture, can you better tell?
Hi Romer,
Its a Dunlop Wah not sure on the model
The two tuners are Boss TU-2 I believe!1 for electric, 1 for acoustic into the sans amp acoustic DI into the desk!
each of the pedals are powerd by the voodoo labs power2, then just chain linked!!
robbie,

Thanks for the additional info.

As you implied, there are a fair number of Dunlop Crybaby models on the market. From just the photo, it's certainly unclear which one Neil uses. Does anyone know (or has anyone asked)? Is it just the Dunlop Original Crybaby Wah (GCB95) or another model with additional features?

Shame also that the Boss VB-2 is so rare (meaning quite expensive).
Well, I've returned from vacation and found that I had a reply from Dunlop stating that Neil uses their Crybaby 95F model.
To confound the issue even further, Neil's comments in the winter 2001 version of "Australian Musician" reveal:

"He's been using the same guitars for a while now, either a Gretsch Duo Jet or a Gibson Goldtop which he records through a Fender Champ mostly, or sometimes a Vox, Matchless, or Fender Twin Reverb. 'I've also had a bit of luck with just using a POD on some songs' said Finn."

http://www.australianmusician.com.au/mag/winter01/finn.html

Of course, by "records", the writer may be referring to Neil's studio vs. live setup. Within this thread, reference to several Fender amp models have been made, but I'm wondering if it's primarily the Fender Deluxe -- and Vox AC30 -- amps that he may be favoring out on the road these days.

I think it's also been the consensus that his recent choice of guitars has actually primarily been a Gibson Les Paul Goldtop Deluxe (rather than simply a Gibson Les Paul Goldtop), as well as a red Gretsch Firebird (and occasionally black Gretsch Duo Jet single and double cutaways).

Tough to keep all this straight! Eeker
Has Neil changed his acoustic pickups and/or preamps? His acoustic sound at the Vic in Chicago last night definitely seemed more natural and less piezo-quacky than I remember from last year.
I've kinda skimmed through the thread and didn't see THIS Les Paul mentioned at all. It's a honey sunburst guitar that he used a lot on the Finn Bros. tour of a couple of years back:



Here's a closeup of the Red Gretsch:



And a couple of not-so-closeups of the mini-humbucker Goldtop he used on the previous CH tour:





Sorry, couldn't resist:



And from the Wax Museum:

LOL omg that last guitar is just ridiculous! how exactly are you meant to reach the lower neck(s)?

I haven't ever seen that honey sunburst LP. Very nice. And great photos too, thanks Big Grin I love drooling over guitars...
one day im gonna buy one of those honey les pauls or the gold top since neil is my hero and those are pretty cool guitars.
I THOUGHT 2 GUITARS IN ONE WAS TOO MUCH!!
WOW THATS AMAZING
lets see there is
1,2,3,4...
Sorry to reserect this topic but i have a question.

I'm ripping the P90 pick ups out of my Gold Top Les Paul and I was wondering what I should replace them with to get that classic Finn sound? I'm thinking the Mini humbuckers or some 57 classics.

Anyone got some advice?
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Originally posted by theworldwhereyoulive:
Sorry to reserect this topic but i have a question.

I'm ripping the P90 pick ups out of my Gold Top Les Paul and I was wondering what I should replace them with to get that classic Finn sound? I'm thinking the Mini humbuckers or some 57 classics.

Anyone got some advice?


It's funny, but I think the P-90s can get that springy sort of Finn sound pretty well. I think that a lot of it is in the amp and amp settings. I use a Vox AD30VT, which has a lot of different amp models to choose from. I've got a Gibson clone Gold Top with P-90 cream colored soapbar pickups. Finn does use Vox amps, so that might be more of a key than humbuckers.

Obviously, Finn gets a decent Finn sound out of the mini-humbuckers. :g: But let's not forget that he gets that "Finn sound" out of a Strat and a Gretsch as well. Well, at least he's used the Strat in the past.

I love the sound of P-90s personally.

Check out the Vox if you get a chance. It's cheap and it has a single 12AX7 (ECC83 for Euro types) tube in the circuitry (everything else is solid state). I got mine virtually new in the States for $150 at a pawn shop. I think that the normal US street price is around $250. The 30 is plenty loud, but if you need more power, you can spend more money for a 50w or 100w model (the 100w model is a head unit only). If I remember correctly, Neil uses an AC30 and just mikes it through th PA. You can see it here at a Finn Bros. show:



You can also see the corner of a little Fender Champ right behind Neil's butt. Not sure if that was Tim's amp or whether it was part of a stereo setup for Neil. IIRC, the Vox was also part of the Crowded House stage setup.

Here's the Champ (I think it's a Champ):



Oh yeah, if you are just a home player, you can get the little Vox 15w Valtronix amp. It sounds the same as the bigger brothers but it just won't play as loud. I had that one for a month or two before i sold it to a friend to get the 30w model.

Probably the best amps under $300 out there. Certainly there are very few amps at that price point that have a tube anywhere in the mix. It has a really nice AC30 position on the amp modeling switch, plus it models the old classic Fenders (Bassman and Blackface twin). It also models several Marshalls (for copyright reasons they call them UK 70s, UK 80s, UK Modern) a Soldano (US HiGain), a 2 Dumble boutique amp (Boutique OD and Boutique CL) and there's a "NuMetal" position that might be a modern Marshall.

There's also a parallel Valvetronix line that is pricier. It's got the same looks as the classic AC30s. They have even more amp model positions and I think they also have full tube preamps and amps. I think that they are 60w and 120w respectively and I'm sure that they're quite expensive.

You should check out the cheaper series with your current guitar to see if that might turn the trick instead of ripping out your P90s. Considering how popular Vox amps are down under, you shouldn't have a problem finding one to take a spin with.
I was wondering if anyone has any more info on Neil's Les Pauls?

I took these photos at the Sherwood Forest gig last year and he clearly played two different Gold Tops (both with mini humbuckers so I assume Deluxe models). One had black plastic around the pick-up selector and one white.

Sherwood

Also, I have heard that Neil owns an actual 1959 Les Paul and has maybe used it on the Finn Bros tour. Anyone knwo if this is true - this would have cost him an absolute fortune!

Cheers Smiler
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Originally posted by Renishaw:

Also, I have heard that Neil owns an actual 1959 Les Paul and has maybe used it on the Finn Bros tour. Anyone knwo if this is true - this would have cost him an absolute fortune!

Cheers Smiler


If he does, it would be easy to tell the difference between what he usually plays in that the '59 used full-sized humbuckers (assuming that it hadn't been modified, which I would doubt that it would be). It would look like the one in my photo (more about this later).

Here is a gallery of some '59s (some with covers off):

http://www.lespaulforum.com/re...ist.php?exhibition=8


Here are two YouTube videos of two different orignal '59s. The first is owned by Larry DiMarzio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ibson-les-paul-elect

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...zYjM&feature=related

I can't find my Gibson Electrics book to verify, but I think that by '59, all '59s were sunburst. Some of them had flame tops but most didn't. The tops would have had more red than the sunburst in my closeup picture, but many of them would had had the red faded out after a few years to end up looking like the one in the picture. I think this had something to do with the UV protection of the dyes breaking down in sunlight.

Here's a thread in a les Paul forum that you will find interesting:

http://www.mylespaul.com/forum...5-neil-finns-lp.html

There's a picture of a well-worn Goldtop that I've never seen before (or don't remember seeing). Plus, they have reposted my photo there (which is just fine with me) and they've identified it as a '59 "Historic" model with an "iced tea" finish. Historic is different than Reissue, as the Reissue tries to be as close to the original as possible, with a higher price to boot, unless it's a Historic that's gone through Gibson's version of the Fender Custom Shop. The Historic series is a more "generic" and slightly cheaper repro of the original. There are a few different finishes you can choose from.

http://www.wildwoodguitars.com...paul/98164/98164.php

Also this, from a NZ guitar forum:

"NF does have a '59 burst - I've seen it. Held tantalisingly at arms length from me by his guitar tech. Which reminds me I was going to ask him (the guitar tech) for some photos of it, but at the time he was in the UK rehearsing for the Crowded House tour. I was quite impressed Neill bought the 59 with him as a backup guitar on the Finn Bros tour".

I suspect that what John Walsh was dangling was the guitar that I took a picture of. If you leave off the "Historic" designation, it's a '59, right? Either John was having a bit of fun, or the poster might have misunderstood. Of course, the guitar itself isn't a cheap one. The flame sunburst runs close to $6k (a plain Jane simple maple top runs about $3500). In guitar parlance, this is called a AA top. Demands quite a premium.
Thanks for the info Dave. Maybe we will have to get Neil himself to confirm if he does indeed own a 59 Burst. If he does, he was very brave taking it on tour with him! But, if so, it was great to know one was being played rather than stuck in a bank vault.
Just bought a 59 Reissue myself the other week and it is amazing.
If Neil wants to buy an actual '59 LP, all he has to do is come here to Nashville with a suitcase full of money, because George Gruhn has three of them right now. He'll need at least $300,000 (cause he might just want to pick up the one that was reduced from $350,000 to $299,000!). If you want to see them, go to www.gruhn.com and click on Inventory and then Gibson solidbodies and scroll down about halfway down the page.

For the rest of us, we can save some money and get a '60 LP for only $185,000 or go all Peter Frampton and get a nice '55 Black Beauty Custom (the one with three humbuckers) for a paltry $55,000...
Hi, this is my first post here and I'm hoping some knowledgeable people may be able to solve a mystery for me............I'm trying to find out what the guitar is that NF is playing in the video clip for Split Enz song "Straight Old Line" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-m7HcNuFyA ), also the bass is the twin of the guitar.

Cheers Cool
I'm going to have a stab at that guitar being a Maton, it's got that sort of shape about it, not sure though
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Originally posted by HiString:
Hi, this is my first post here and I'm hoping some knowledgeable people may be able to solve a mystery for me............I'm trying to find out what the guitar is that NF is playing in the video clip for Split Enz song "Straight Old Line" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-m7HcNuFyA ), also the bass is the twin of the guitar.

Cheers Cool


I don't have an answer to your question but did want to thank you for posting the youtube link - I don't think I've ever seen that clip before, and it's fabulous. Big Grin
What ever happened to the Fender Stratocaster that Neil used throughout the late Split Enz/early Crowded House period? I'm watching the Daytona beach video and he uses it on just about every song, as he does on the Rock Arena concert. Was it stolen or did it just fall out of favour with him?
I dunno what ever happened to the strat. It just sort of disappeared post TOLM- a few of his early CH guitars did (no sign of the accoustic guitar Neil had in the Sister Madly film clip is an example). I'm kinda glad the strat is gone - I'm not a fan (no I'm not looking to pick a fight with Fender fans just not my cup of tea). I guess Neil just has his favourites or they got worn out.

I've seen a couple of telecasters at some of the CH 07/08 shows in Sydney, but Mark and guest guitarist Davy Lane played them.
I remember reading a year or 2 back that Liam went to his dads guitar collection at roundhead hoping to snag himself a gibson or 2 to use on the road and instead had to "settle" for a fender strat and tele.

more then likely neil swapped out his fenders for gretsch's in the early 90's imho
Just wanted to let you guys know, that I bought a guitar almost identical to Neils Gold Top.
It is a 1972, Les Paul Deluxe, with the minihumbuckers with the "goof" rings.
Amazing guitar, sounds and play great.
Also bought a Vox amp last week and have a Hot Cake on the way Big Grin
This isn't a question regarding Neil's gear, but I figure this is the most likely place to get an answer. Does anyone know what effects Jay Joyce used on his guitar parts for Tim's Say It Is So? There are some amazing ambient guitar wash like sounds on that album. He uses them on the Finn Bros track Way Back Down too.

Anyone?
Sorry Joe, not I.

On a separate note, was just listening to the '87 Trocadero gig in Philly on Wolfgang's Vault...loved hearing Neil on the Strat. I miss that sound. I wonder/hope if he'll ever use it again. Such a big part of his sound from about 1981 to 1988. Nice shimmery sound and Neil used the tremolo arm to nice effect.

For me, classic Neil = Strat + Roland JC (w/ Chorus on and hint of gain) + Hot Cake + RE201 Tape Echo. Sometimes add the MXR Flanger (Giant Heartbeat in Canada, for instance). Beautiful, definitive sound. Admittedly, would sound a little dated today, but not in a jarring way.
Interesting setup - thanks large for posting it. Notice the redundancy (aside from the tuners of course).

Distortion/Overdrive: (1) Neil's classic Crowther Audio Hot Cake (2) T-Rex MudHoney II

Delay: (1) Boss DD-3 (2) Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man (3) T-Rex Reptile

Vibrato: (1) Boss VB-2 (2) Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man

I notice the Radial ToneBone is gone. I would love to know what he uses when and if he's simply test driving these pedals or if they are a permanent fixture.

Any shots of the settings on his Vox AC30?