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A free-lance music journalist friend of mine forwarded me this – it’s already fairly well known in music industry circles but is due to be made common knowledge within the next couple of days. He says it’s ok to post here, so here goes..I'm not sure how I feel about this!

Kiwi classic songwriter drafted in to pen title track for new Take That album

Neil Finn, frontman of 90’s melodic pop outfit Crowded House has written the title track for Take That’s forthcoming album. ‘Never Dream’ was a joy to write, says Finn, whose former band found chart success with ‘Weather With You’, ‘Four Seasons In One Day’ and ‘Distant Sun’ during the 1990’s.

‘I’ve known Gary Barlow for several years - we met at a Q Awards jolly a couple of years ago’ said 53 year old Finn, who was awarded the illustrious ‘Classic Songwriter’ Award by Q Magazine in 2009. ‘Gary told me he was a long-time fan of Crowded House and Split Enz. Then last winter my management got a call out of the blue asking me if I’d be interested in contributing to the new Take That album’.

1996’s Number One album ‘Recurring Dream, The Very Best Of Crowded House’ which went multi-platinum in the U.K., cemented Finn’s status as a top flight song smith, a reminder to music fans that Crowded House were responsible for two of the most catchy albums of the decade. ‘Woodface’ and ‘Together Alone’ appealed to all but the most cynical of music fans. Damon Albarn, Paul McCarntney and Radiohead’s Thom Yorke publicly professed admiration for Finn’s song writing talents and his ability to deliver imaginative lyricism in an era when urban Britpop banter threatened to label a whole musical era as little more than a Chas ‘n’ Dave inflected cheek-fest.

Barlow, the song writing force in a now revived Take That (following the success of their comeback albums ‘Beautiful World’, ‘The Circus’ and 2010’s Robbie Williams encrusted ‘Progress’), is quick to extoll Finns virtues as a gifted tunesmith: ‘Neil has that unusual knack of being able to combine incredible melody with profound lyrics. So when we were looking around for someone to add depth to the new album, it was a no-brainer really. The song was so sublime we decided to ask Neil if he’d mind us using this as the album’s title track. Neil was very gracious and explained it’d be a pleasure’.

This is not Finn’s first foray into the more commercial side of hit-making. 1987 classic ‘Don’t Dream It’s Over’ has been covered by artists as diverse as Paul Young and Bruce Springsteen, and was featured on Susan’s Boyle’s recent smash album ‘I Dreamed A Dream’.

Finn is wry when asked if such a songwriting credit might bring into question his credibility; ‘my last project (Pajama Club – a techno based collaboration with wife Sharon) barely scratched the surface commercially speaking – not that I measure myself on chart success anymore, but Gary and co are talented performers and at the end of the day this is still my craft and I’ve no problem with possibility one of my songs penetrating the masses once more. Radio 1 have ignored me for years, it’s very possible that’s about to change’.

Take That’s ‘Never Dream’ is out on Polydor in July
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OPB Half-full: I also heard Ryan Adams has agreed to sing harmony for Neil on his next tour...


Razzer Razzer Razzer

I heard Neil is penning songs for Adams too. One is rumoured be the album's title track, working title: "i've gotta answering the phone".
Another nearly finished is "Ebay t-shirt".

Adam is also rumoured to working on a cover of FAFTAF.

Can't wait ho hear it! Eeker

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Yes, a very good one, even if the thom yorke reference was a little bit... tickling the ear (I hope this has sense in English).

Anyway, and I'm serious here,( Cool) I'd like to hear a song by Neil and... well, not Barlow, I would rather prefer Owen.
Shine make me dance and spring around the flat. Not as good as Neil's music, but it's like to put my fingers on the electric socket (in a good sense).

Hope Neil read this... Smiler

Who knows? (noise of Welsh Dan bumping on some forniture running in the dark, following ########s!)

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Originally posted by Eudoxia:
Ah prejudices, prejudices...

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Not prejudice, I just don't like them! Smiler Smiler

They don't produce or write the kind of music I want to listen to. Also I think they are money grabbing and opportunist and I think Gary Barlow is angling for a knighthood that he doesn't deserve. I particularly found this example of their "product" unpleasant to the ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv49bC5xGVY SHAME (G Barlow & R Williams)

It's not prejudice at all, just total dislike Smiler Smiler Smiler .
I do remember reading in Melody Maker Thom Yorke referring to WWY whilst talking about good music.

Also, I believe Damon Albarn said CH 'did some clever stuff' (According to either the Private Universe or Something So Strong book - can't remember which).

There's a lengthy thread here somewhere about whether or not McCartney has paid any compliments to Neil. I honestly can't remember what the consensus was.

I'd had a few bevvies when I wrote it - I'm amazed anyone fell for it Smiler
Personally I'm not a fan of Take That, or indeed boy bands in general (old or young).

And if Neil did write a song for them, would it affect his credibility. in my opinion? Well probably, yes.

BUT - Turin Breaks DID write a song for Take That, for a previous album - and I still like them. They (Turin Breaks) said they were running low on readies and used the income generated by the song to record they're own new album.
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OPB Kittybear:

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Originally posted by Eudoxia:
Ah prejudices, prejudices...

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Not prejudice, I just don't like them!

They don't produce or write the kind of music I want to listen to. Also I think they are money grabbing and opportunist and I think Gary Barlow is angling for a knighthood that he doesn't deserve. I particularly found this example of their "product" unpleasant to the ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv49bC5xGVY SHAME (G Barlow & R Williams)

It's not prejudice at all, just total dislike .


If we are talking about tastes, I perfectly understand. It's that sometimes I have the impression some of you listen to music by categories, and if something hasn't the right label you don't even really try (maybe I'm wrong, but sometimes the sensation is really strong).
As I stated elsewhere, I listen to everything, and then make my mind up...

Knighthood? Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. Confused

I suppose I'll have to go a check the songs' authors, just to be sure. Some of them (the songs) I did like very much, but want to speak with "cognition of case".

The awful sugary pseudo-deep emotional ballad you link to, if you simply find it "particularly unpleasant to the ear" means you're gentler then me. Infact I do tend to dislike Williams, and this Barlow seem to be on the same wavelenght... and make me understand what you do mean with the "money grabbing" definition. It's the way I would describe Williams solo career (in Italy he is much more played than the group).

I begin to suspect I was just lucky enough to miss their worst output. Oh God! If this is the example I can only agree with you, but the fact is that I KNOW they can do better things.

Sometimes...

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OPB Welsh Dan:

I do remember reading in Melody Maker Thom Yorke referring to WWY whilst talking about good music.

Also, I believe Damon Albarn said CH 'did some clever stuff' (According to either the Private Universe or Something So Strong book - can't remember which).

There's a lengthy thread here somewhere about whether or not McCartney has paid any compliments to Neil. I honestly can't remember what the consensus was.

I'd had a few bevvies when I wrote it - I'm amazed anyone fell for it


If there's a past thread I'll find it, one year or the other...

About falling for it...I also had the radar down, and to be honest to the level of stupidity didn't help.
Anyway your bevvies started an interesting and funny thread Smiler

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OPB Welsh Dan:

Personally I'm not a fan of Take That


Nor me. Do you know what "fan" means? The only one I'm a fan of is Neil Finn. Smiler

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(idem) And if Neil did write a song for them, would it affect his credibility. in my opinion? Well probably, yes.


Again this thing... credibility? Can't you just listen and make an opinion of your own? I find this slightly strange.

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Dan - what was the song Turin Brakes wrote for Take That? Was it a specific 'write' or something from one of their albums?

Eudoxia - therein lies the difference. If Take That ask to cover a Neil Finn composition that is one thing; if he were to write something for a 90s boy band/10s man band, then yes I think it would affect his credibility within the industry.

Not gonna happen - Barlow' ego wouldn't let it!!
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OPB Bart:

Eudoxia - therein lies the difference. If Take That ask to cover a Neil Finn composition that is one thing; if he were to write something for a 90s boy band/10s man band, then yes I think it would affect his credibility within the industry.

Not gonna happen - Barlow' ego wouldn't let it!!


This Barlow guy seems to be very important to you all (in a very negative way, of course). I didn't even knew his face before looking KB's link.
And know very little about him even know. I'll have to investigate more.

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I'm afraid Gary Barlow is of no importance to me whatsoever Wink sorry to anyone offended by that!

Of Take That approaching T.B.:

More on Turin Breaks / Take That here

Turin Breaks point out they are by no means 'home and dry' financially, despite a couple of successful albums. Their angle is that is that it was purely business sense.

Re-reading this link reminded me of a quote Neil made TWT era - about he personally having to fork out for studio time to finish off stuff - always struck me as strange that an artist of his stature would have to pay for any of his recording time - especially at that time of his career - RD reelased in the not too distant past n' all..
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Originally posted by Eudoxia:
If we are talking about tastes, I perfectly understand. It's that sometimes I have the impression some of you listen to music by categories, and if something hasn't the right label you don't even really try (maybe I'm wrong, but sometimes the sensation is really strong).
As I stated elsewhere, I listen to everything, and then make my mind up...

Knighthood? Sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. Confused


No I never listen to music by category, not unless there's a category that includes: Finn Music, Billie Holliday, Michael MacDonald, Sam Cook, The Beatles, Bombay Bicycle Club, Turin Brakes, Guillemots, The Coral, George Benson, Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan (I could go on).

It's fair to say that I avoid certain artists like Take That. They've had a lot of exposure over the years on tv and radio and I can say with some conviction, that although Barlow can throw together a tune he's never produced anything I've ever wanted to buy.

Currently he's putting together a concert for the Queen's diamond jubilee, hence my reference to a Knighthood, it's all very much NOT to my taste. As for money grabbing, the whole Robbie reunion "circus" is just plain money grabbing opportunism for both sides IMHO. In fact I try to avoid Barlow, Williams and Take That but unfortunately they are everywhere over here, when they come on the radio I desperately re-tune, or press off.
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Originally posted by Welsh Dan:

Of Take That approaching T.B.:

More on Turin Breaks / Take That here

Turin Breaks point out they are by no means 'home and dry' financially, despite a couple of successful albums. Their angle is that is that it was purely business sense.

Re-reading this link reminded me of a quote Neil made TWT era - about he personally having to fork out for studio time to finish off stuff - always struck me as strange that an artist of his stature would have to pay for any of his recording time - especially at that time of his career - RD reelased in the not too distant past n' all..


Sorry to hear Turin Brakes were so short of money that they had to resort to this Frowner.

I can't really blame them, their a great duo and I think Ether Song is a brilliant album. I guess it's a case of needs must. I haven't heard Outburst yet, but I intend to look it up. I wonder if it's on Spotify.
For sure this thread is VERY useful for all the names I never heard before and I'll have to check.
Eels? Turin Brakes? Bon Iver???

Maybe the big difference is that you hear them very little in the italian radios I use to listen to. So I'm not that persecuted...
The only one they push very much here is Williams (I don't like him).

I have to go, more on this this evening...................

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Ha! I've being listening to the Eels and Bon Iver while wrinting my reply to FutureDave on the CH forum.

I'm listening to Turin Brakes this very moment!

Anyway thank you for the help: when you search on YT there's always so much material, and you're never sure the most popular video/song is the one that can hook you. Smiler

I'm ready and open to listen to listen to everyone signaled on this forum. I love music so much, and here there's not that much worthful.
The level is better than inthe past decades, but there's always something missing (I'm speaking of Italy). You don't hear really original, vibrant songs, or the masterly use of sounds Neil get me used to... People that sing doesn't 'mean' it.

OK, don't use this againt me: when I said I would be happy to hear a TT song penned by Neil I was serious because:

A) a new song of him is always a joy

B) He's so good at it I guess it would be fantastic (barlow notwithstanding)

BTW, Full Of Stars is really beautiful, but at first listen I've been more struck by the Eels. Anyway I'll go back hunting for names!

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OPB Bart:

Yep, Eudoxia check him/Take That out if you dare......in the end it does largely come down to personal taste I guess, but if you haven't tried it, you can't really comment?


I have just one Take That CD: Beautiful World. I listened again to it today (I don't know why, but in the last months I was absorbed but another kind of music) so I guess I'm entitled to comment.

My idea didn't change. Nothing to do with Neil's level, but there are much worser things around. I still like Shine madly, I guess the author was really happy in the moment he composed, as it really oozes joy, and it never fails to uplift my mood if I'm depressed.
I like Mancunian Way too (even if some parts are a little bit flat), and Patience and Hold On are not that bad. In the end the arrangements are really too much prevedible and mainstream, but it's good musical tapestry (IMO).

I want to propose you a swap: you give us Take That, and we give you Modà (no returns accepted). I can put a late Ligabue into it (he's a very big name in Italy), he used to be very good, ... 20 years ago.

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Originally posted by Eudoxia:

I still like Shine madly,

I want to propose you a swap: you give us Take That, and we give you Modà (no returns accepted). I can put a late Ligabue into it (he's a very big name in Italy), he used to be very good, ... 20 years ago.-


Over here in the UK, Shine is now the music for the tv adverts for Morrisons supermarket.

I have just checked out Moda on YT and (although that's not my taste either) it's seems like a fair swap to me. Please you can have Take That, we'll have Moda, no complaints, no returns Smiler .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...sznOE&feature=relmfu Moda Vittima
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
[Over here in the UK, Shine is now the music for the tv adverts for Morrisons supermarket.

I have just checked out Moda on YT and (although that's not my taste either) it's seems like a fair swap to me. Please you can have Take That, we'll have Moda, no complaints, no returns Smiler .


....he's just done an advert for M & S as well.....ruining 'Here Comes The Sun' (so sorry, George!)....surprised he hasn't got an ad. contract with Pukka Pies.....
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OPB Kittybear:

I have just checked out Moda on YT and (although that's not my taste either) it's seems like a fair swap to me. Please you can have Take That, we'll have Moda, no complaints, no returns.


It's OK for me, but you'll have to suffer them singing in English, so you'll understand the lyrics Eeker . This is not one of the worst, by the way. I guess they had 7 singles out by now, their album was the second on the best selling in 2011. I can't stand them anymore...

The music is not indecent, but in general they are the triumph of the obvious, so banal and totally conformistic.

And they did nothing even near as good as Shine.

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Originally posted by Kittybear:
I have just checked out Moda on YT and (although that's not my taste either) it's seems like a fair swap to me. Please you can have Take That, we'll have Moda, no complaints, no returns Smiler .


Great idea Kittybear. The music is equally naff, but at least with Moda I can't understand the lyrics, which is much better than listening to Gary and Robbie's simplistic nonsense.
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OPB Bart:

....he's just done an advert for M & S as well.....ruining 'Here Comes The Sun' (so sorry, George!)....surprised he hasn't got an ad. contract with Pukka Pies.....


Bart, you should stop to slip in between while I'm replying to a post Wink

I guess this is the third time it happens...

Anyway who is "he"? Your dear friend Barlow? Wink Wink Wink (I hope 3 is enough to avoid to be killed...)

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OPB Runner:

Great idea Kittybear. The music is equally naff, but at least with Moda I can't understand the lyrics, which is much better than listening to Gary and Robbie's simplistic nonsense.


Another unpolite slipper Wink!

Runner, I hate to admit it, but you hitted it here: maybe I can stand Take That because I don't understand the lyrics. And actively avoid to do so.

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