Neil Finn-Fleetwood Mac

This is interview with Sharon Celani (has worked with Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac for a very long tme as backing vocalist). If you go to 12 minute mark, she talks a bit about the new lineup. (They didn't go into the reasons why LB is no longer with the group.)

https://starworldwidenetworks....een-lucinda-williams

This is after she says they start rehearsals August 1st, start tour in October and go until March, with maybe small break in January.

Q: New blood this time around - Mike Campbell and Neil Finn. 

A: Yeah Mike Campbell's an incredible guitar player, and it's going to be amazing.

Q: Have you been in rehearsals with him yet?

A: Yeah, it was pretty amazing. And Neil Finn's voice with the two girls, with Stevie and Christine, sounds really special. 

Q: It's a big change, we won't get into it, but everyone knows Lindsey Buckingham's not going to be on this tour. But, you know, that's kind of the nature of Fleetwood Mac really. I mean they've gone through a lot of unexpected changes.

A: Yeah, it's very sad, and I'm a huge Lindsey Buckingham fan. It's very sad that he's not doing it, but you know... that's what happens. 

Q: Somebody made the decision and I have a feeling it's going to be really good.

c.houser posted:

I hope Neil keeps a journal on the road ahead.

He's in amid some strong egos and personalities. That's for sure.

As FM fan myself I'm trying to be understanding of people's reactions and their 'grief'. But I'm beginning to get annoyed at some of the ignorance being displayed on social media.

Having seen all five FM members together last tour, I know that they have their own special chemistry that can't be entirely replicated (even though there's been complaints about all the tours becomingsimilar to each other and repetitive). Lindsey is probably my favourite guitarist of all time but I know how he could be difficult, temperamental etc. At times it's been pretty extreme, which is why I'm not gonna be quick to judge or blame anyone.

The video above has sometimes been used as a supposed example of Stevie's inability to handle criticism and her ego. They think she was actually trying to compare herself to Bob Dylan. That's not how I see it. She was saying that Bob Dylan didn't always follow the standard songwriting conventions either but it worked regardless.

(My impression of Neil is that the technical part isn't the most important thing to him, so I dunno if he'd have had that conversation with Stevie. But Lindsey has always had a tendency to point out her lack of technical knowledge vs his.)

Stevie is obviously a very intuitive writer - not a super technical one - which means that her output can be very hit and miss, abstract, a bit all over the place. At her best though, with the method she's always employed, she's brilliant. 

During the recording of 'Say You Will' it's well known that Stevie and Lindsey began to butt heads and annoy each other. It's true that Stevie can be very precious about her lyrics. But Lindsey is also notoriously sensitive about criticism and people tend to be 'on guard' around him, careful to avoid upsetting him.

Great guitar player and obviously, more technically skilled than Neil. But Mike Campbell is obviously very well respected as a guitar player too. Rolling Stone magazine - though I don't know how credible they are anymore as authority on music - has Lindsey at number 100 on their list of guitar players, Mike Campbell 79, former FM guitar player Peter Green at 58. (I do think Lindsey probably deserves to be higher than that.)

Happy 60th for Neil today. Stevie Nicks has 70th birthday the day prior. But with time zone differences it probably lines up! For 70, I think Stevie is doing very well and aging gracefully, while remaining a 'rock queen'.

Expect Neil will be having great day with family and close friends.

Found a video from 1979, where Neil is having his 21st birthday, and his parents are there. While Neil and Tim are putting on their wild hair and makeup for a show...

https://youtu.be/q3Elie0-jdo?t=234

Neil tweet:

https://twitter.com/NeilFinn/s.../1000190683288776704

After thinking about this (Neil in Fleetwood) for a couple of weeks now I feel pretty strong that he made the wrong decision.  Ticket sales do not look good and if you read Fleetwood's facebook page and other areas where their fans are commenting, they are pretty irate that Lindsey is not in the band and is essentially being replaced by two other singer/players....basically saying that this will not be Fleetwood Mac without him and a fake version (etc, in stronger words than that).  So, in short, I feel sorry for Neil that he is in this position, especially at this point in his career.  He deserves better than what will be half sold concert venues and getting some of the negative Fleetwood Mac fan comments.  The good part is that he will be great vocally/guitar wise but unfortunately can't blow them away with his own material.

renzo posted:

After thinking about this (Neil in Fleetwood) for a couple of weeks now I feel pretty strong that he made the wrong decision.  Ticket sales do not look good and if you read Fleetwood's facebook page and other areas where their fans are commenting, they are pretty irate that Lindsey is not in the band and is essentially being replaced by two other singer/players....basically saying that this will not be Fleetwood Mac without him and a fake version (etc, in stronger words than that).  So, in short, I feel sorry for Neil that he is in this position, especially at this point in his career.  He deserves better than what will be half sold concert venues and getting some of the negative Fleetwood Mac fan comments.  The good part is that he will be great vocally/guitar wise but unfortunately can't blow them away with his own material.

The ticket sales will be fine. Many of the venues (interestingly in the south) are almost sold out. Some folks are clearly waiting to see how the tour goes before buying tickets but that's expected when the main creative force in the band is fired. I hope Neil and the band record a few new songs for an EP to release before the tour as that could help a lot.

I think a lot of it is because Neil is 'unknown' quantity for many right now, coming in after the person with 40+ year history.

But being that way, may also give them more opportunity for a 'fresh start'.

I think a lot of the negativity may actually be at Nicks, and that has some very deep roots. Since she refused to take part in another FM album with Lindsey a few years ago, things have really escalated. And whether wittingly or not, Neil may now be thrown right in the middle of it.

I have my concerns, and think maybe if they really couldn't get together for another proper studio LP to push them forward in direction, perhaps the traditional lineup should've just called it quits after the last tour. But I'm thinking this may be a different sort of show, going back deeper into the other side of the Mac - before the Buckingham/Nicks era, which in itself deserves a tribute. It will still have 'Rumours' but some of the earlier material there as well.

Just hopefully things begin to calm down as it all shapes up a bit more. Who knows? I think the band may be a bit more relaxed with Neil there and perhaps it will lead to some new creative work for them.

I just listened to a new interview with Mick Fleetwood on Sirius XM, Channel 106 ‘Volume West’. He called in from Maui on Memorial Day. (His interview starts about 29:30 into the show, and he begins talking about the upcoming tour just before 40:00.)

Went for about 30 minutes, some conversation about the new line-up, upcoming tour, other possible outcomes. Quite a lot to cover, I’ll try to condense some of it. (This is first part of it - which I wanted to get in Micks own words. I’ll post more in a second part. Sorry for any errors there may be.)

Chad Smith (drummer for Red Hot Chili Peppers) Lyndsey Parker were asking the questions.

CS: So you got some new band members and you’re going on tour? What’s going on?

MF: Yeah, in October… It’s a huge change. And as you know, if anyone out there has a sort of track record of the history of this crazy band that is Fleetwood Mac, it is certainly peppered with changes through the years, and this is most definitely one of those changes.

Without going into all the ups and downs and the details of where we ended up, but as players and as a band, we’re really positive about what we’re doing, and we’re blessed with two lovely new members – Mike Campbell from Tom Petty’s band The Heartbreakers… just a really brilliant guitar player. And Neil Finn who is out of Crowded House and if you go a little bit further back, Split Enz.

LP: Well I want to talk to you a bit about this, because the Mike Campbell - I mean obviously I was surprised about the news in general, Mike Campbell maybe not as much of as a surprise given his history working with Stevie. But the Neil Finn thing came out of nowhere to me and I’m a huge Split Enz and Crowded House fan, so I was really pleasantly surprised, like how did that come together?

MF: Well it came together with a lot of thought. With Lindsey departing from Fleetwood Mac and not all of it the most happiest of things, but needless to say, huge kudos and respect forever, and before and now, and into the future of what Lindsey Buckingham has always been within the ranks of Fleetwood Mac. But we needed to change, and I will leave it at that.

And with Neil, you know all of us thought 1. Are we even going to keep going? And Chad you may certainly know people if not from your own experience but moments when you thought, well is this something that’s negotiable? How can we go forward and feel good about what we’re doing? … And I have to say Fleetwood Mac has probably, almost more than anyone I can think of, for whatever reason, had those moments where you go – certainly me and John McVie, going back to 1967, we’ve probably had 4 or 5, 6, 7 major changes within the ranks of Fleetwood Mac.

So we thought very, very hard and long about, are we going forward? Once we all felt that we really wanted to do that, it got hot and heavy as to how this is going to be really musically uplifting for the existing band, and the band that we have now, and have it be believable for everyone out there that has been loyal and taken that journey with the crazy band Fleetwood Mac.

And we arrived at what we have with Neil. And Neil I’d met many years ago, hugely respect his talent, and after about nearly three months of cogitating other opportunities of who it might be, we arrived and we all convened, and I invited everyone here to convene in Maui, and we all just felt completely correct and on line with the chemistry that was being offered up with all of us joining together, and that led to a decision that we have with these two lovely guys in the ranks of Fleetwood Mac now.

CS: Mick, is it right now just the thought of touring together and seeing how that chemistry gels, but also writing and new music, and looking forward to this being another chapter in the long lifetimes as you like to say, of bands and musicians?

MF: All of the above. Right now we’re going into rehearsals at the beginning of August. I’ll actually be there a little bit before, just working with all the guitar players with me and John and stuff.

But truly I don’t think we can keep the horse in the trap so to speak, when it comes to Christine and Stevie. They’re still connected to everything again you know about – writing and having a whole new approach to it. But Mike as you well know is hugely conversant with production and in truth has written way more than I ever, ever knew. And he’s worked with Stevie, writing and producing, and a lot of stuff that Stevie did through the years with Tom and of course The Heartbreakers.

And Neil is a given – just a hugely connected songwriter, that really covers a huge emotive gamut… All of that is to look forward to and I truly believe that that will happen. I’m hoping that we can throw out a couple of ‘calling cards’ before we go out on the road. Not quite sure that we can apply ourselves to do that, but all of that is to look forward to and it’s hugely important, whichever way you look at it, for a band is to remain being creative, not treading water, and this is definitely not treading water. We’re all in a new world.

(The moment that was ‘turning point’ in deciding to go ahead.)

It was a huddle really. It was a team huddle of the existing band members to really not panic and to do anything other than really following our hearts as to what this meant, which was huge, you know, any which way you look at it. And once we had galvanised that approach among the four remaining folks, the ladies and the guys in the band, we took the bull by the horns to go forward.

And it was really as simple as that, but it certainly took, as I mentioned earlier, a real meaningful breath, and all of us probably in our various ways came to that decision that we want to, we need to, we feel good about it. And then it was like, and now what do we do? Which was humungous. We’re looking forward to putting on an incredibly vibrant show that is truly groundbreaking for us, and that’s about as good as it can get, for a musician to be in that sort of non complacent place.

Second part, summary:

Mick says of the upcoming tour they’re still in the ‘formative, not the detailed part of it’ but the ‘overview’ of what they want to achieve is to do some ‘spotted revisiting’ of the very early ‘blues based rock and roll’ material they did, to celebrate the band’s recent 50 year anniversary. (They started 1967.) Such as ‘Black Magic Woman’ and ‘Oh Well’.

(I think there are signs that Mick Fleetwood was considering a celebration of the group's 50 year history since last year, from some of his interviews. Irish Times and Rolling Stone.)

He added that they’re ‘also always looking to have a set that is definitely satisfying people that love to hear Fleetwood Mac’s music’. (By which I think he’s assuring fans there will still be some of the more conventional set numbers that people expect to hear at a FM show.) But ‘we’re also having a more played out approach as players’ with a bit more ‘jamming things out here and there’.

He says that Mike Campbell is actually ‘very specifically insisting’ that they include some of the early blues guitar numbers. And they’re ‘making note of from whence these two lovely gentlemen - that their heritage and their background is going to be appropriately part of the show. I mean they come from their own world and I think we’re big enough and should be of that mind where we just really want the whole thing to come together musically about this bunch of people, this new line-up of the band.’

So all in all he says that when he and Mike recently visited Stevie at her house, they realised they could have a show getting close to three hours in length… It will be awhile before they get it all finalised, but sounds like they definitely have a vision.

(Some FM fans are already deciding that because Christine wasn’t mentioned, she’s somehow being left out of the process… It sounds however like this wasn’t a real formal meeting but a social one between Mick, Mike and Stevie, touching base. He says they’re actually ‘all exchanging lists, emailing madly backwards and forwards’ suggesting ideas, before getting to the stage of actually narrowing it down and deciding what works best with everything else.)

And it turns out, Mike also has a home in Hawaii – where Mick is mainly based these days - so there will be more get togethers there. He sounded sad about some of the recent events, but still trying to look to the future.

I tried to include all key parts of the interview - I'll leave for others to make what they will of it, and whether they believe it or not.

Southern Cross posted:

I just listened to a new interview with Mick Fleetwood on Sirius XM, Channel 106 ‘Volume West’. He called in from Maui on Memorial Day. (His interview starts about 29:30 into the show, and he begins talking about the upcoming tour just before 40:00.)

Thanks for posting all this! 

I wasn't a huge Tom Petty fan but Mike Campbell is sounding like a good fit. Gets along well with Stevie and Tom Petty's 'Mojo' album was very blues style, ala early FM.

Interesting video with him discussing technique and playing some licks:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kjWYnKQxP4M

I thought the last FM tour was great and went cos I knew would probably be the last chance to see all five together. It's sad to lose Lindsey but as many critics were also saying, I do think things needed to change. For creative as well as perhaps for some practical reasons. Christine's return seemed to rejuvenate them for awhile but then they were back to square one.

Lindsey didn't seem very willing to accomodate needs or interests of others in the group. Not even for a segment. He's such a great guitar talent but his other insecurities had eventually alienated him from rest of the group. Despite efforts of their 'peacemaker' Christine. She and Lindsey tried something together (Mick and John got some studio credits way down the list while Lindsey also had himself doing drums and bass) but it didn't really make a huge impact.

Lindsey seemed to have his own vision which didn't give much to the others who understandably would perhaps like to celebrate their own legacy while there's still time. Unfortunately they all seemed to in the end be holding each other back. I don't think it was just all about Stevie not wanting him there.

Especially after Mick's most recent interview, I think this perhaps sums up the situation. He doesn't want to linger on the personal issues, but is stating that this wasn't done rashly - it was with a lot of consideration, and sadness, but I'm sure they're wishing LB the best in future.

https://medium.com/@brianscott...resting-5f00dbabe559

That's not to take away from what they did with Lindsey - which was spectacular and he deserves credit for.

Mike will obviously be handling much of the guitar, but Neil's vocals I think will be good support for Stevie and Christine when they have the main part.

Another interesting video with Mike Campbell, discussing his approach and range of influences. I'll leave it with that for awhile.

Jaffaman posted:

It won't be the first time Neil's been on a tour with Stevie Nicks and Mike Campbell. Split Enz toured US and Canada with Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers in 1981.

And wasn't there some story that Split Enz (the lowly support band) were refused permission to go anywhere near Stevie Nicks during that tour? LOL.

Flicker posted:

Wasn't there some story that Split Enz (the lowly support band) were refused permission to go anywhere near Stevie Nicks during that tour? LOL.

 Yes - true! Not the best start. This was 1981, probably her craziest era.

Another odd connection - Split Enz once supported John Mayall on tour, I think in 1973.  Mick Fleetwood and John McVie had both been in Mayall's blues band in their early days.

May I add an anecdote?  In 1983 Stevie Nicks came to the University of Missouri to perform, and I was a student and lived in a house on campus. One of our members was on the student activities committee, so they borrowed our nice couch from the formal, for Stevie's dressing room.

(I shan't include the lewd comments, but you can imagine.)

Sugar Mouse posted:

https://www.facebook.com/abcne...s/10156448485374516/

Neil and Liam discuss the elder Finn joining Fleetwood Mac.

Cool! I think Neil has broad shoulders. That's how you needed to be, to get through the NZ/Australian pub music scene back in the day. It was quite a testing ground.

I like him a bit scruffy, and it doesn't really matter, but looks like he may have spruced up a bit? I saw one person on Twitter bagging him for wearing a cardigan lol! And another on FB who said "OMG you joining one of the most iconic bands Fleetwood Mac, be very careful as you tour with them and the drugs etc pleaseeee keep sane for us kiwi's Neil Finn. I wonder what your brother Tim, thinks about you joining????"  Apart from a few good wines, I don't think the band do that anymore! And at this point I'd say Neil can look after himself...

I've been listening to a few more Mick Fleetwood interviews from last year, when they released the new book about the very early history of Fleetwood Mac. It's very notable how emotional he still gets when talking about Peter Green. I can be a bit cynical, but he still seems to miss Peter very much - says he was the best guitar player, but very generous, no ego. Peter Green probably won't ever be able to do anything big with FM again, but it's nice I think he will get some recognition next tour.

Neil has a dry, glib sense of humour - which is similar to the Brits, but I think may not always be picked up on elsewhere. What's supposed to be 'ironic' can end up being taken too seriously and I think that's something he's run up against previously.

Sounds like he's got a lot going on and will be extremely busy. I would've assumed that joining FM would mean he'd probably have to sideline a lot of other things for awhile, because that's how this group seems to be - very 'all-encompassing', as Stevie has put it. But I guess they would've had that discussion with him.

OAN... In listening to Mick's interviews about the very early history of the band, they also talked about how Bob Welch and Christine McVie's entry into the band sort of paved the way for the Buckingham/Nicks era, by introducing more harmonies along with Danny Kirwan. Mick describes it as an important but even more overlooked era in the history of the band.

It seems crucial therefore that if they intend to revisit the Peter Green blues era, they should also include some of the work that served as a connection between the original and the modern incarnation of Fleetwood Mac.

I'm very interested in seeing how they put all this together for the show, and bring it 'full circle'. Get this at first sight disjointed, jumbled and fragmented story to flow together. There's so much history they can go through, depths stories and meanings to some songs. Gl to them!

It would appear that the new line-up will be making their debut at a music festival September 21, before they start their tour. That will probably be our preview, and people who are still undecided about this new FM will make up their minds.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/musi...ew-lineup/ar-AAyxDh0

It still doesn't seem real to me and probably won't until I see them together in performance. Maybe they'll have a new song? Who knows.

And of course Danny Kirwan sadly passed away a few days ago. When I'Ve been listening to the stories about the group it usually comes up how they had three non bass guitarists in the band at one point. All of them very skilled but also very different. I don't know how they got all that to work but part of it likely due to Peter Green being willing to share out roles and spotlight.

Mick says it was a situation a bit like having Christine, Stevie and Lindsey out the front, when they were all so different but together, more than sum of parts. At times it seems like the group didn't have much of a leader. It was more about group vibe and 'chemistry'.

In later years however, Lindsey seemed to became more dominant. To be fair though - maybe he had to step up to the plate sometimes or they wouldn't have got anything done, they were all so messed up.

Mike Campbell will obviously be principal lead guitarist, but I'm interested to see if Neil does some of his own.

(Corny to say but FM have truly had their own 'split ends' over 50 year period!)

Just looking at previous set lists from similar legacy artists at the iHeart festival.  You can expect anywhere from 5 to 8 songs from Fleetwood Mac.  U2 had the longest set of 8 songs in the last three years at iHeart in Vegas.  Fleetwood Mac is probably the oldest group that has ever played iHeart.  Older solo artists like Elton and McCartney have played iHeart though.  Elton played 5 songs and McCartney played 8. iHeart usually caters to a younger more mainstream radio crowd.

Above the Kitchen posted:

Just looking at previous set lists from similar legacy artists at the iHeart festival.  You can expect anywhere from 5 to 8 songs from Fleetwood Mac.  U2 had the longest set of 8 songs in the last three years at iHeart in Vegas.  Fleetwood Mac is probably the oldest group that has ever played iHeart.  Older solo artists like Elton and McCartney have played iHeart though.  Elton played 5 songs and McCartney played 8. iHeart usually caters to a younger more mainstream radio crowd.

Seems like a fairly 'safe' venue to start with. I think the band still appeal to a range of ages. Band posted announcement and details below in official FB post. (Perhaps should be posted in new thread - I'm still learning my way here...)

Still a share of angry comments, but a fair few more open to the new arrangement. Tbh, I can understand people delaying getting tickets for a band they haven't seen much of yet, when they aren't cheap. We'll see how this debut goes.

This looks to be a new interview with Mick (some I think are just quoting what he said during the SiriusXM interview mentioned above). There is mention of Neil towards end of it.

https://www.iheart.com/content...de-gave-perspective/

Another that I think is new, but without specific mention of Neil or the lineup change https://www.musicradar.com/new...-with-mick-fleetwood

And btw, I think this appears to be a good (unofficial) general information site for updates about FM, without taking sides on the breakup...

http://www.fleetwoodmacnews.com

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