Neil Finn-Fleetwood Mac

Lots of unnecessary panic about this. Neil's clearly just doing his mate Mick Fleetwood a favour to help keep the FM tour on the road, and likes the kick of doing something different. As a musician there'll be a lot of fun for him with none of the pressure of being the front man carrying the brand.

He'll love the Finn fan reaction I'm sure. Fleetwood Mac is this year's moustache. The more you hate it, the more he'll do it. 

horse 2 water ski-ing posted:

I honestly think Neil has gone for the vulgar $ on this... can't blame him I suppose.  Recording studios to run and probably salaried people.  I hope it helps Neil's music which I find has gone in a steady decline; playing away from his strengths of hooks and melodies.  I just hope that playing some Fleetwood Mac reminds him of these and gets him musically a bit more back on track.  it's probably not good to record with Fleetwood Mac as that would be a hiding to nothing.  Anyone remember the Time album... thought not! 

I feel uncomfortable speculating about Neil’s financial life but I doubt he’s doing this for $. I’m sure he could live happily on the royalties from DDIO alone, not to mention all the other hits, touring income and album sales, declining as they may be. And his studio has been around quite a while now, surely it’s profitable. That said, a big chunk of cash could facilitate more daring projects like Out of Silence (which, think about it, must have been quite costly), more frequent albums, etc.

I think this is just a fun exciting adventure for him, a once in a lifetime opportunity he’d be foolish to pass up.

Jaffaman posted:

If you see Neil's website, you'll notice Neil & Liam album's still planned for release. So that equals new music in 2018. Therefore,

This comes only months after his last highly acclaimed solo album which we watched the production of online.

Neil is scheduled to perform with orchestra on three dates in Australia in May and June and is already booked for one in L.A. on March 24th.

More people around the world are being exposed to and reminded of Neil's name and work. The graphs showing the increase of follower numbers on the Neil Finn Facebook page and visits to neilfinn.com look like something you see in movies.

It's very unlikely that Neil would have released more new music in 2019 so soon after the Neil & Liam album and Out Of Silence, but meeting and jamming with other musicians while touring the world could lead to new collaborations in song or on stage. Imagine 7 Worlds Collide 3.

I doubt there would have been new music from Crowded House in the next few years anyway. Joining Fleetwood Mac for this tour doesn't mean Neil's signed away all his time beyond that, so anything can still happen.

I would also add that increased exposure of Neil and Neil's music will likely have a positive effect on Roundhead Studios.

Above the Kitchen posted:

I would also add that increased exposure of Neil and Neil's music will likely have a positive effect on Roundhead Studios.

Possibly, but Roundhead already seems to be quite a destination.  Here is a partial list of famous artists who've recorded there:

Ed Sheeran - Lorde - Kanye West - Wilco - Arcade Fire - Mumford and Sons - Dinosaur Jr - Common

Of course that list could grow but it's certainly not just some little NZ studio nobody's heard of.

http://roundheadstudios.com/faq/

RobS posted:

Can’t understand it. Imagine LB taking Neil’s place in Crowded House. We wouldn’t like it although we know it couldn’t happen 

I guess the difference is that Neil Finn wrote all (or almost all) of Crowded House's significant songs.  I adore the other members of the band, but Crowed House was truly Neil's band.

Fleetwood Mac, on the other hand, is/was a much more complex entity.

First of all, Lindsey joined the band on their 10th studio album.  He wasn't an original member while Neil started Crowed House.

Second, Lindsey didn't write most of the band's significant songs. Stevie Nicks wrote most of the band's main songs with Christine McVie writing some others. Lindsey did write some songs but only a few of them have become "keepers". He is much more of a "songcrafter" than songwriter. He has an extraordinary gift for making other people's songs sparkle.

No doubt, Lindsey is a major talent. He's one of the greatest guitarist of all-time and he helped create the "sound" that we recognize as Fleetwood Mac.  He was essentially the producer and lead guitarist for the band while Stevie and Christine were the main songwriters and Mick/John were the rhythm section. 

Thus, the comparison between Lindsey and Neil is a tough one to make. While Crowded House was "Neil's band", Fleetwood Mac was much more of a team effort.

RobS posted:

Can’t understand it. Imagine LB taking Neil’s place in Crowded House. We wouldn’t like it although we know it couldn’t happen 

I think a better analogy would be if Split Enz decided to get back to tour again. At the same time, they also wrote material for a new album, but Tim didn't want to contribute to that and went off to do another project. They still released the album but not under the Split Enz name.

Then Tim came back for the next tour, but Neil said that he didn't like the sound of the proposed tour and had his own projects that he wanted to work on.  As a collective, the band decided to fire Neil and replace him with somebody else and still go ahead with the tour.

For me, it would still be a valid version of Split Enz and I would welcome the new member(s) with an open mind. The Enz existed prior to Neil and it also existed after Tim left. Phil Judd was the driving force behind it in the mid 70s. Yes, Neil produced the big hits in the 80s, but there was so much more to Split Enz than that. 

I would still go and see Split Enz without Neil in it. I would just hope that they decided to add more Phil Judd songs to the setlist as a result (and that the new member could do them justice). I just wouldn't want to hear them do Message To My Girl or I Got You etc without Neil. 

 

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

stuartjb posted:

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

I agree with you that Neil's writing isn't declining.  Some may prefer a more lushy produced album, but the songs on "Out of Silence" are some of the best he's ever written.

Sugar Mouse posted:
stuartjb posted:

Time is ok ! I have it . One of my favourite Mac albums however  Is Behind The mask which was recorded using Billy Burnette and Rick Vito right after the first time Buckingham left . 

In terms of Neil’s writing , I don’t think it’s declining ,but changing . Dizzy Heights isn’t as enjoyable to  me as Intriguer and it’s bonus stuff for the very reason you said .

I agree with you that Neil's writing isn't declining.  Some may prefer a more lushy produced album, but the songs on "Out of Silence" are some of the best he's ever written.

Out of Silence is beautiful . I think however it works more as a work than separate songs . I think Neil’s work has become a little more abstract . I know you can’t churn the same material out over and over ( although chuck berry did lol ) 

i do however yearn for Neil’s 90’s style of songwriting sometimes ....

Sugar Mouse posted:

 For me, Stevie is a major songwriting talent and she wrote many of the classic FM songs (Dreams, Rhiannon, Sara, Gypsy, Beautiful Child, Landslide, Storms, Gold Dust Woman, Sisters of The Moon, Silver Springs ...). These are truly some of the best songs of all-time.

Lindsey is a major talent as far as song-crafting and production, but Stevie has written a ton of great songs.  She's frankly a far better songwriter than anyone else in the classic Fleetwood Mac lineup.

Check out her recent album of rarities (24 Karat Gold) as well - there are many outstanding songs there. 

FM was such a good band because each person played their part so well. Stevie with the songwriting and the mystery.  Lindsey with the production and the guitars. Mick with the drums. John with the bass. Christine with the keys and the harmonies and also some great songwriting. 

Hello all,

For the sake of clarity, it’s important to point out that, while Nicks is recognized by the general public as the band’s lead vocalist, she is not actually its most successful songwriter.  I know that's not quite the same thing as "best" or "great," but sometimes those things can mean similar things.

Christine McVie wrote 10 of the band’s top 40 hits, which is double the number written by Nicks (who wrote 5) and more than triple the number written by Buckingham (3).

True, Nicks wrote the band’s only number 1 hit (“Dreams”), but McVie is without a doubt the band’s most successful singer-songwriter, based on the facts (Source: Billboard.com, US charts hot 100).  Here are the songs that reached the top 40 sorted by writer, including the highest chart position:

NICKS
Dreams - 1
Sara - 7
Rhiannon - 11
Gypsy - 12
Seven Wonders - 19

McVIE
Don’t Stop - 3
Little Lies - 4
Hold Me - 4
You Make Loving Fun - 9
Say You Love Me - 11
Everywhere - 14
Over My Head - 20
Think About Me - 20
Love in Store - 22
Save Me - 33

BUCKINGHAM
Big Love - 5
Tusk - 8
Go Your Own Way - 10

I’m a Buckingham fan first, but there are a few Nicks songs I count among their best (“Landslide” is actually my very favorite FM tune, and I think her best songs on their last full album, SAY YOU WILL, were actually better than most of his tunes on that record).

But when McVie left the band, I quickly realized that she was the glue that held FM together.  She's probably the closest thing they have to someone being the soul or the heart of the band.

It will not be the same without Buckingham, but now he’s free to release solo music, which seemed to be his short-term goal.

The band, meanwhile, goes on, just as it always has. I’m eager to see how Neil and Mike fit into the group. Make no mistake, Nicks is running the band now, which means neither of the new fellows will step in her spotlight. But I think they’re both smart enough and talented enough to make the situation work and have fun doing it.

Matt

mattl posted:
Sugar Mouse posted:

 For me, Stevie is a major songwriting talent and she wrote many of the classic FM songs (Dreams, Rhiannon, Sara, Gypsy, Beautiful Child, Landslide, Storms, Gold Dust Woman, Sisters of The Moon, Silver Springs ...). These are truly some of the best songs of all-time.

Lindsey is a major talent as far as song-crafting and production, but Stevie has written a ton of great songs.  She's frankly a far better songwriter than anyone else in the classic Fleetwood Mac lineup.

Check out her recent album of rarities (24 Karat Gold) as well - there are many outstanding songs there. 

FM was such a good band because each person played their part so well. Stevie with the songwriting and the mystery.  Lindsey with the production and the guitars. Mick with the drums. John with the bass. Christine with the keys and the harmonies and also some great songwriting. 

Hello all,

For the sake of clarity, it’s important to point out that, while Nicks is recognized by the general public as the band’s lead vocalist, she is not actually its most successful songwriter.  I know that's not quite the same thing as "best" or "great," but sometimes those things can mean similar things.

Christine McVie wrote 10 of the band’s top 40 hits, which is double the number written by Nicks (who wrote 5) and more than triple the number written by Buckingham (3).

True, Nicks wrote the band’s only number 1 hit (“Dreams”), but McVie is without a doubt the band’s most successful singer-songwriter, based on the facts (Source: Billboard.com, US charts hot 100).  Here are the songs that reached the top 40 sorted by writer, including the highest chart position:

NICKS
Dreams - 1
Sara - 7
Rhiannon - 11
Gypsy - 12
Seven Wonders - 19

McVIE
Don’t Stop - 3
Little Lies - 4
Hold Me - 4
You Make Loving Fun - 9
Say You Love Me - 11
Everywhere - 14
Over My Head - 20
Think About Me - 20
Love in Store - 22
Save Me - 33

BUCKINGHAM
Big Love - 5
Tusk - 8
Go Your Own Way - 10

I’m a Buckingham fan first, but there are a few Nicks songs I count among their best (“Landslide” is actually my very favorite FM tune, and I think her best songs on their last full album, SAY YOU WILL, were actually better than most of his tunes on that record).

But when McVie left the band, I quickly realized that she was the glue that held FM together.  She's probably the closest thing they have to someone being the soul or the heart of the band.

It will not be the same without Buckingham, but now he’s free to release solo music, which seemed to be his short-term goal.

The band, meanwhile, goes on, just as it always has. I’m eager to see how Neil and Mike fit into the group. Make no mistake, Nicks is running the band now, which means neither of the new fellows will step in her spotlight. But I think they’re both smart enough and talented enough to make the situation work and have fun doing it.

Matt

Really interesting post.  I agree that Christine has been the glue that keeps things together amidst some truly dysfunctional dynamics.  And I completely agree that Christine has written a large number of the band's hits over the years. The band has been so fortunate to have three elite songwriters.  Most bands are lucky to have one great songwriter and FM has had three!  

Music, like all art, is subjective. For me, my Fleetwood Mac compilations are heavily slanted towards Stevie songs as I resonate most with her songs and find much greater depth of meaning in her songs especially Storms, Sisters of The Moon, Planets of The Universe, Hard Advice, Goodbye Baby, Italian Summer, Lady, She Still Loves Him, Kind of Woman, Beautiful Child, Mabel Normand, and Beauty & The Beast. Like Neil Finn's songs, Stevie's songs (for me) take on greater and greater emotional weight over time - the sign of truly exceptional songwriting.

Many of the songs I mentioned above are more obscure Stevie songs and weren't "hits", but they are some of my favorite songs of all-time. While I like Christine's and Lindsey's songs, I don't find the same long-lasting power in most of their compositions.   

Very strange. I'm not a FM fan, but I'd like to see them in concert more than other bands I've paid to see in concert. Not in these $200.00 ticket days, mind you.

I imagine a combination of Neil popping in here and there, supporting every front-person in ways most effective.  And the rest. 

Buckingham Nicks were very popular in Bham long ago, so I wouldn't be surprised by a little local vocal backlash on the news blog.. But we're a walk-up crowd, so sales should be good. (And FM has done well here in the past). It will be bigger than Tuscaloosa where the All-Starrs and Steely Dan : (  played recently.   Ringo also played the concert hall. It's a little depressing seeing Neil Finn in a room larger than a concert hall, if only from the patron's perspective.

I believe there will be a bit of interest.  But for $200.00?  (And forgive me for asking, is there a presale detail?  I'll scope the room.)

You know, I'm beginning to make my peace with Neil's move to FM. My instinct is still to mourn the decision but, on giving it some deeper thought, it doesn't seem so bad. This, I must confess, is partly borne of the fact that I've been less than enamoured with his most recent offerings: DIzzy Heights had two stone-cold classics, a couple of very good songs and the rest was fairly forgettable; Out of Silence has one great song, a couple of good uns and the rest I can take or leave.

So, if Neil finds himself having to contribute three, maybe four songs to a new FM album that probably won't be too great a loss at present. I'm sure Neil welcomes the chance to share the mantle of band leader/songwriter and I hope it allows him to really focus on a smaller number of potentially great songs rather than him having to labour under the requirement to fill whole albums on his own. If we get three or four NF classics on the next FM album, I personally will be one happy bunny. And it really doesn't matter if the "backing band" is FM or a bunch of unknown sessions players...

Couple this with my own personal circumstances (young son) which limits my ability to catch Neil on stage, and I find myself quite welcoming an absence from NF-centric stage appearances.

Given that FM aren't exactly prolific themselves, and that Neil is "restless", I can see that he could easily fit on-going FM commitments around future solo or even CH projects.

So, onwards and upwards...

Here’s my take:

The good:

1. Neil’s vocals will be awesome with FM on Rhiannon and Tusk.

2. This will seriously raise his profile  in mainstream music.

3. There’s a chance to hear FM version of Neil’s songs. Message to My Girl would be perfect.

4. For the first time in more than twenty years, Neil’s playing my hometown.

 

The bad:

1. For the first time in his life, Neil is working with a group that, while very good, isn’t exactly relevant.

2. Neil has an uphill battle convincing the hardcore FM fans he’s a worthy replacement for Lindsay Buckingham.

3. I’m  not happy with the whole long term  thing. One tour is fine but I’d hate for this to overshadow the projects where he gets creative control.

 

The ugly:

1. How will a guy like Neil do in a band as volatile as Fleetwood Mac? 

 

On further reflection, I can see even more parallels with Tim's decision to join CH. I think Neil in FM will work well in the studio, but I really can't see this working live. For a start, FM setlists are pretty similar every night. That has never been Neil's way. Also, playing stadia makes bonding with an audience so much more difficult. In this case, it won't even be Neil's audience. I'm not sure he'll enjoy 50-odd identical tour dates where he never gets to chat to the crowd or try his hand at some kind of impromptu request.

I think the thing I'm most disappointed about is the live aspect. Without wanting to be over-dramatic, Neil has effectively set aside his whole catalogue and fan base in order to go play second fiddle in someone else's band for a while. I have no doubt that he'll "return" at some point but, even though I know this is an over-reaction and massively childish, I can't help but feel this as some kind of rejection of his own fanbase which, given it's devotion to him, is really disappointing.

Paul H posted:

On further reflection, I can see even more parallels with Tim's decision to join CH. I think Neil in FM will work well in the studio, but I really can't see this working live. For a start, FM setlists are pretty similar every night. That has never been Neil's way. Also, playing stadia makes bonding with an audience so much more difficult. In this case, it won't even be Neil's audience. I'm not sure he'll enjoy 50-odd identical tour dates where he never gets to chat to the crowd or try his hand at some kind of impromptu request.

I think the thing I'm most disappointed about is the live aspect. Without wanting to be over-dramatic, Neil has effectively set aside his whole catalogue and fan base in order to go play second fiddle in someone else's band for a while. I have no doubt that he'll "return" at some point but, even though I know this is an over-reaction and massively childish, I can't help but feel this as some kind of rejection of his own fanbase which, given it's devotion to him, is really disappointing.

An alternative way to look at this is that our pride and joy is getting a once in a lifetime opportunity to be a major player in one of the biggest bands in rock history.  I can't imagine how he could have turned down the offer. And the Fleetwood Mac fans who attend the shows will have a chance to discover his brilliant back catalogue. 

Paul H posted:

I can't help but feel this as some kind of rejection of his own fanbase which, given it's devotion to him, is really disappointing.

Totally disagree. He’s under no obligation to do what you or I want him to do. He doesn’t owe us anything. He’s been excellent to his fans for 40 years now and if he wants to do this he has every right. Not saying people can’t be disappointed, but to see this as a betrayal seems very self-centered to me.

Paul H posted:

...I can't help but feel this as some kind of rejection of his own fanbase which, given it's devotion to him, is really disappointing.

I can't agree with this and I hope you'll come to revise your view. It's not all about you!  

The man can do what he likes, when he likes. The artist-fan relationship brings no obligation on the artist to entertain, just as it brings no obligation on the fan to purchase records/tickets. Neil could do nothing at all. He could retire completely. He could make six albums of duets with Meatloaf between now and 2025.

I'd have a view but I wouldn't feel rejected if it didn't interest me. Fleetwood Mac doesn't interest me but I'm happy for Neil and hope he has a great time. I'll see him some other time, somewhere else.

Indeed (to both Sad CLaude and Slowpogo); I quite agree. He is absolutely free to do as he pleases. Which is why I described my own reaction as an "over-reaction and massively childish"

I'm quite happy to accept that I'm being unfair but I'm also being honest. Of course, it depends how it all pans out but there is a possibility that for the foreseeable future I won't get a chance to see/hear play a concert of his own songs but will, instead, only be able to pay a HUGE amount to watch him sing/play someone else's songs. Great for him if he's excited about it, but I can only talk about my own relationship with his career and songs. I'm sure over time I'll get over it in the same way I got over the split of CH in 1996

Sugar Mouse posted:

Another great option for the Fleetwood Mac setlist would be one of my favorite FM songs "Temporary One (The Bridge)" which is a Christine McVie composition that could easily be a Neil Finn song. Complete ear candy ... enjoy!

I've always loved that song, and it's one of the FM tunes that I think fits right in stylistically with some of Neil's more pop-oriented work over the years.  But I've never had the impression that serious FM fans like that song, which surprises me.  I mean, it's a pop song, but it's quite catchy.  Christine writes those kinds of songs in her sleep, and Lindsey was always so good at arranging them and bringing them to life.

matt

Here is a fascinating video of Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks "discussing" her lyrics for the Fleetwood Mac song "Thrown Down".  Lindsey was clearly bothered that Stevie changed tenses from verse to verse while Stevie thought she was taking poetic license.  I wonder how Neil would have handled such a situation.

 

Those who have the AXS TV network, be sure to watch Dan Rather's weekly interview show where he does "deep dive" interviews with some of the most influential musicians of all-time. Here is the fascinating interview Rather did with the man that Neil is replacing in Fleetwood Mac.

Sorry SM, maybe it’s a matter of semantics, but it seems inaccurate to characterize Neil as the man replacing Lindsey  - although both he and Mike Campbell are filling his slot in FM for now  - since he’s irreplaceable (just as Neil would be in SE or CH). However, personally don’t see need for anyone to throw shade on either Lindsey or Neil over this...

mikelm posted:

Sorry SM, maybe it’s a matter of semantics, but it seems inaccurate to characterize Neil as the man replacing Lindsey  - although both he and Mike Campbell may be filling his slot in FM for now  - since he’s irreplaceable (just as Neil would be in SE or CH). However, personally don’t see need for anyone to throw shade on either Lindsey or Neil over this...

Not throwing any shad on anyway ... to be more exact in my language ... Neil is replacing Lindsey in all ways outside of his lead guitar playing; so Neil is replacing Lindsey in the following roles:

1. Lead male singer

2. Lead male songwriter

3. Lead Arranger

4. Rhythm guitar player

I realize I am pretty late to this thread.  But I just had to comment.  I am pretty disappointed in Fleetwood Mac for seemingly ditching Lindsey Buckingham.  Obviously none of us know exactly what happened, but I would like to hear from Lindsey at some point for his take on what happened.  Regardless of what one may think about Lindsey, he absolutely was the creative brains / soul behind the music during the rumors 5 era.  I think who ever is inserted as touring musicians / singers in place of Lindsey is going to face an uphill battle with a lot of the fans. 

I also am bewildered as to why Neil would make this move for himself.  I guess it comes down to just going for the oddball move.  It seems like he wants to go against the grain a bit sometimes, and maybe that is what this is?  Maybe it is the money?  I am not sure.  To me, it is just so strange, and off putting to me, and I am a fleetwood mac fan as well as being a huge Neil fan.  I would much rather Neil put his efforts into writing / recording new music as opposed to being a fill in hired gun / member for another band's world tour.  To me, it just seems a bit beneath Neil at this point in his career.  Obviously, he sees it as something awesome to be involved in.  I hope it works out for everyone.

I pretty much agree with Blink; if it makes Neil happy, fine, but it is a head-scratcher. I liken it to Dave Mason's stint in FM. Well established and respected singer-songwriter joins FM for a time, which is already pretty much forgotten/ignored by Mason AND FM fans. It will never be considered the high point in Mason's career, nor FM's arc. I suspect Neil's time there will fare pretty much the same.

mikelm posted:

Lindsey's comments about his dismissal from FM this past Friday night at a political fundraiser:

https://youtu.be/ZEI3ftV3y1s

He's such a class act, but so is Neil and hard not to continue to feel uneasy about this...

I'm a huge Lindsey Buckingham fan with Tusk being one of my favorite albums of all-time. That being said, Lindsey is taking quite a one-sided view of recent events.  Lindsey agreed to this tour and then backed out at the last minute. The band apparently bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn't honor his commitment to the tour.  That left the band with two choices: cancel the tour or fire him. They took the latter option. From listening to Lindsey's comments, you'd think that the band just fired him for no apparent reason. C'mon Lindsey ... you're better than that.

Sugar Mouse posted:

Lindsey agreed to this tour and then backed out at the last minute. The band apparently bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn't honor his commitment to the tour.  That left the band with two choices: cancel the tour or fire him. They took the latter option. From listening to Lindsey's comments, you'd think that the band just fired him for no apparent reason. C'mon Lindsey ... you're better than that.

What is your evidence that “apparently the band bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn’t honor his commitment”?

I am perfectly willing to change my mind about what went on here, but I have not seen any evidence.

All I seek is the truth.

Sugar Mouse posted:
mikelm posted:

Lindsey's comments about his dismissal from FM this past Friday night at a political fundraiser:

https://youtu.be/ZEI3ftV3y1s

He's such a class act, but so is Neil and hard not to continue to feel uneasy about this...

I'm a huge Lindsey Buckingham fan with Tusk being one of my favorite albums of all-time. That being said, Lindsey is taking quite a one-sided view of recent events.  Lindsey agreed to this tour and then backed out at the last minute. The band apparently bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn't honor his commitment to the tour.  That left the band with two choices: cancel the tour or fire him. They took the latter option. From listening to Lindsey's comments, you'd think that the band just fired him for no apparent reason. C'mon Lindsey ... you're better than that.

Ah, the FM drama continues...which is the main reason I don’t understand why Neil accepted the offer. I think he and Christine will get along well personally and musically. But the drama of just being in that band...!

As for the reasons behind Lindsey’s firing, it’s a terribly complicated story. First, it’s important to note that this is a band that spins its version of a story and sticks with it, regardless of how silly or transparent or absurd their version of the facts might seem. And Lindsey has been part of that, so he’s guilty, too. 

There are all kinds of dynamics involved. Lindsey is known to be quite controlling in the studio, which is something that Nicks resisted but Christine, on the other hand, appreciated. Nicks hated him messing with her songs (i.e. arranging her often rough and overly simple demos into polished recordings), but Christine praised him for that same approach.

So, Nicks has resented Lindsey’s control, as producer, of their recording process to the point where she, in recent years, has refused to record with the band. Fleetwood views himself as the band’s leader, but really, Nicks and Buckingham have had the wheel for decades. So I suspect there’s a little resentment there, too. And with Lindsey and Stevie pretty much hating each other, I’m sure Mick has felt torn between them for most of that time.

Lindsey is a super creative guy who thrives in the recording studio. He’s been pushing for the band to record a new album for years, but Nicks has managed to hold him off. He finally gave up last year when the rest of the band recorded more than an album worth of new songs.  Nicks never showed up, so they called the project a Buckingham-McVie duo album (with Fleetwood and John McVie on drums and bass).  But it was, in essence, an FM album without Nicks. And a very good one, too. 

While Nicks, Fleetwood, and John McVie prefer touring because of the huge profits  it brings, Lindsey enjoys playing live but prefers the recording studio. I suspect Christine is probably somewhere in the middle.

So, Lindsey has been waiting for the band to make new music for years, and Nicks has refused to participate, all the while releasing a few solo albums and touring on her own. In fact, twice the band delayed its plans in deference to Nicks’ solo plans.  

Yet now, when Lindsey asked for the same respect, he was kicked out of the band.

Without a creative outlet in the band, Lindsey’s only option was to do a solo record, which he’s reportedly already recorded. And he wanted to support it with a tour. 

In the band’s defense, Lindsey would have had them spend a year in the studio (their typical turn around him), which is daunting.  I sorta can’t blame them for not wanting to make that kind of commitment at this point in their lives. They’re not young.

That’s just a tiny part of the situation Neil is entering. But I think he will also be, in some ways, a calming presence in the group.  He enjoys both studio work and live shows. He loves collaboration. He’s very flexible and creative, as is Mike Campbell, so I think the two of them will find a way to fit the band and maybe even help mold it’s personality into something a little new. 

Make no mistake, this is Nicks’ band, and Christine will surely get her share of the spotlight, too. But I really do hope they manage to record a few singles. I know that would be the ultimate irony with respect to Lindsey, but Buckingham, in spite of the fact that he basically created what we now call “The Fleetwood Mac Sound”, was also probably the biggest obstacle to a band album happening. With him gone, I think the chances are a tiny bit better for new recordings. 

The fact that Campbell played with Neil at a recent Largo show is also very good news. I really hope they develop a strong friendship and spirit of collaboration.

matt

brownie posted:
Sugar Mouse posted:

Lindsey agreed to this tour and then backed out at the last minute. The band apparently bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn't honor his commitment to the tour.  That left the band with two choices: cancel the tour or fire him. They took the latter option. From listening to Lindsey's comments, you'd think that the band just fired him for no apparent reason. C'mon Lindsey ... you're better than that.

What is your evidence that “apparently the band bent over backwards to convince him to stay but he wouldn’t honor his commitment”?

I am perfectly willing to change my mind about what went on here, but I have not seen any evidence.

All I seek is the truth.

The band said this in the CBS interview and the Rolling Stone interview. They said they spent weeks trying to get Lindsey to honor his commitment to tour, but he wouldn't so they had to make the tough decision to fire him. Lindsey has not denied that story.

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