Neil Finn-Fleetwood Mac

Stuart, I was typing essentially what you said till I realized I was sounding pretty whiny and selfish, but yes, I do feel it is taking Neil away from any new music of his own for a lengthy time, and after dangling the "burst of creativity" and three albums in 2017 in front of us, I do feel extremely let down.

I do realize that is part of being a Neil fan, but knowing there is so much promising Neil music hanging out there, I just can't be excited about hearing him sing Fleetwood Mac songs.

mattl posted:

Hello all---

I get it.  We're here because we love Neil's music, and him committing to a Mac tour means his own projects will be sent to the back burner for months, perhaps a year, depending on the length of the tour and/or his continuing participation in it.

Personally, I thought the same thing, but then I remembered how many of Neil's projects over the last 15 years involved collaborations of varying kinds.  I think he's just at a place in his career where he values different experiences, and this one should be unlike anything he's done before.  And he'll definitely bring something new and different to the band, that's for sure.

I regularly visit an FM fan website and message board, and the comments there have been overwhelmingly negative.  In fact, some of them have been downright ugly about Neil's participation, as if he was to blame for Lindsey Buckingham's dismissal.

For what it's worth, it DOES sound like the band might have treated LB unfairly, but who knows if we'll ever get the truth.  Supposedly, the band wanted to tour, but LB wanted time to release a solo record and do a short solo tour, and he was fired because of it.  LB fans are up in arms because the band waited on Stevie Nicks when she did the same thing a few years ago.  Clearly, the message is that Nicks runs the band now.

matt

I highly suspect that the Lindsey departure was MUCH more complicated than the band simply not wanting to wait for him to fish his solo stuff. The recent book that outlined some fairly negative Lindsey behavior may have had something to do with it. It also sounds to me like this tour was planned and booked and then Lindsey wanted out to do his solo album meaning that the other members would have possibly been on the hook for this tour with or without Lindsey. Who knows all the details but it was almost certainly more than the band simply dumping LB because they couldn't wait for him.

And no offense to Lindsey (who is a major talent), he ain't no Neil Finn. Neil is a far superior songwriter and vocalist than Lindsey (at least in my opinion) and Mac fans will ultimately be very happy how Neil blends with the band. 

stuartjb posted:

Sugar mouse , I appreciate this is a great oppurtunity for Neil , and having many Fleetwood Mac albums , would definitely go and see this gig if I got the chance . 

I can however totally see why people are feeling negative as well though . They will feel they are going to be deprived of “ Neil” material for the foreseeable ....

From my perspective , exciting though this is , I’d be 1000 % more excited  if a new crowded house album and tour had been announced . 

Regarding Stevie Nicks , she’s my least favourite Mac member musically , so I wouldn’t be overwhelmed if a collaboration between her and Neil came to pass . I always thought she was the most dispensable member of the group . 

 

For me, Stevie is a major songwriting talent and she wrote many of the classic FM songs (Dreams, Rhiannon, Sara, Gypsy, Beautiful Child, Landslide, Storms, Gold Dust Woman, Sisters of The Moon, Silver Springs ...). These are truly some of the best songs of all-time.

Lindsey is a major talent as far as song-crafting and production, but Stevie has written a ton of great songs.  She's frankly a far better songwriter than anyone else in the classic Fleetwood Mac lineup.

Check out her recent album of rarities (24 Karat Gold) as well - there are many outstanding songs there. 

FM was such a good band because each person played their part so well. Stevie with the songwriting and the mystery.  Lindsey with the production and the guitars. Mick with the drums. John with the bass. Christine with the keys and the harmonies and also some great songwriting. 

If you see Neil's website, you'll notice Neil & Liam album's still planned for release. So that equals new music in 2018. Therefore,

This comes only months after his last highly acclaimed solo album which we watched the production of online.

Neil is scheduled to perform with orchestra on three dates in Australia in May and June and is already booked for one in L.A. on March 24th.

More people around the world are being exposed to and reminded of Neil's name and work. The graphs showing the increase of follower numbers on the Neil Finn Facebook page and visits to neilfinn.com look like something you see in movies.

It's very unlikely that Neil would have released more new music in 2019 so soon after the Neil & Liam album and Out Of Silence, but meeting and jamming with other musicians while touring the world could lead to new collaborations in song or on stage. Imagine 7 Worlds Collide 3.

I doubt there would have been new music from Crowded House in the next few years anyway. Joining Fleetwood Mac for this tour doesn't mean Neil's signed away all his time beyond that, so anything can still happen.

Jaffaman posted:

If you see Neil's website, you'll notice Neil & Liam album's still planned for release. So that equals new music in 2018. Therefore,

This comes only months after his last highly acclaimed solo album which we watched the production of online.

Neil is scheduled to perform with orchestra on three dates in Australia in May and June and is already booked for one in L.A. on March 24th.

More people around the world are being exposed to and reminded of Neil's name and work. The graphs showing the increase of follower numbers on the Neil Finn Facebook page and visits to neilfinn.com look like something you see in movies.

It's very unlikely that Neil would have released more new music in 2019 so soon after the Neil & Liam album and Out Of Silence, but meeting and jamming with other musicians while touring the world could lead to new collaborations in song or on stage. Imagine 7 Worlds Collide 3.

I doubt there would have been new music from Crowded House in the next few years anyway. Joining Fleetwood Mac for this tour doesn't mean Neil's signed away all his time beyond that, so anything can still happen.

The last paragraph makes me very sad Jaffaman .

First of all, I hope Neil has a blast!   I would take the gig just to sing with Christine McVie. Her voice feels like a cashmere sweater that fits perfectly.  In the case of Neil's voice, I've always liked the juxtaposition of his sweet tenor with Eddie Vedder's sour gravel,  especially on Take A Walk from 7 Worlds Collide. I can see that possibly happening with Stevie Nicks. That could be magical.  (Hopefully, everyone is in good form.)  I think both Stevie and Christine will enjoy Neil's vocal prowess.  Add FM's undeniable rhythm section and the interplay with the very capable, song focused guitar chops of Mike Campbell, and musically this makes sense.  What I worry about is the historic baggage and periodic dysfunction that has peppered the Fleetwood Mac story as well as their fanbase's  response to this iteration of the band. Hopefully, there will be enough open ears and minds to appreciate this version of the Mac.  Lastly and selfishly I admit, I hope Neil's time with Fleetwood Mac fills his spirit with adventure, inspiration and positive influence for future projects.  Let's see what happens.  Fingers crossed.

Jaffaman posted:

If you see Neil's website, you'll notice Neil & Liam album's still planned for release. So that equals new music in 2018. Therefore,

This comes only months after his last highly acclaimed solo album which we watched the production of online.

Neil is scheduled to perform with orchestra on three dates in Australia in May and June and is already booked for one in L.A. on March 24th.

More people around the world are being exposed to and reminded of Neil's name and work. The graphs showing the increase of follower numbers on the Neil Finn Facebook page and visits to neilfinn.com look like something you see in movies.

It's very unlikely that Neil would have released more new music in 2019 so soon after the Neil & Liam album and Out Of Silence, but meeting and jamming with other musicians while touring the world could lead to new collaborations in song or on stage. Imagine 7 Worlds Collide 3.

I doubt there would have been new music from Crowded House in the next few years anyway. Joining Fleetwood Mac for this tour doesn't mean Neil's signed away all his time beyond that, so anything can still happen.

I LOVE all these happy faced, thumbs up bullet points!  I'm along for the ride.  if there is anything I've learned from being a fan of Neil's is to expect the unexpected.  Anything can still happen, as you said! 

Stuart, I'm not having that nonsense about Dylan! Only joking, I can absolutely understand people not liking Dylan's voice. I can also understand not looking Nicks' voice, however, I far prefer it to Christine McVie's, which I find rather bland. I'd rather hear a worse singer (Dylan) with an interesting voice. Part of my concern is this - there are some in this thread (and Mac threads) under-appreciating Buckingham, and even worse, there is next to no appreciation of Neil's talents among Mac fans (that aren't already Finn fans). I really don't think there is going to be this mass conversion of fans, and instead FM fans will mostly compare Neil to the man who's missing. How many CH fans are guilty of comparing any other Neil project with Crowded House? It'll be the same here I suspect. It's like suggesting Finn or Dylan or Sting or Paul Simon have a 'hit' on their hands - great songwriters all, but it just isn't likely to happen anymore. They've just got to please themselves. I hope Neil has a ball, and it's all good. I don't expect a life-changing collaboration, or there to be any commercial upturn for anyone involved.

Jaffaman posted:

Good thing I don't do counselling for a living, then. All those bright points and you focus on that!

I get the points you make . I’m very happy for Neil ! 

I’m a Crowded House fan though Jeremy ! Saying you don’t envisage new crowded house stuff “ for years” is obviously going to make me sad ! The musical roles of the other guys are really important to me .

Considering you were a large part of these magnificent deluxe albums , I thought you’d get that more than most ! 

Possessed7 posted:

Stuart, I'm not having that nonsense about Dylan! Only joking, I can absolutely understand people not liking Dylan's voice. I can also understand not looking Nicks' voice, however, I far prefer it to Christine McVie's, which I find rather bland. I'd rather hear a worse singer (Dylan) with an interesting voice. Part of my concern is this - there are some in this thread (and Mac threads) under-appreciating Buckingham, and even worse, there is next to no appreciation of Neil's talents among Mac fans (that aren't already Finn fans). I really don't think there is going to be this mass conversion of fans, and instead FM fans will mostly compare Neil to the man who's missing. How many CH fans are guilty of comparing any other Neil project with Crowded House? It'll be the same here I suspect. It's like suggesting Finn or Dylan or Sting or Paul Simon have a 'hit' on their hands - great songwriters all, but it just isn't likely to happen anymore. They've just got to please themselves. I hope Neil has a ball, and it's all good. I don't expect a life-changing collaboration, or there to be any commercial upturn for anyone involved.

I Absolutley hope Neil has a great experience . It’s a fantastic oppurtunity . 

Re comparing everything Neil does to his work with Crowded House - hands up ! Guilty as charged  

Neil is my hero , but Mark , Nick and Matt deserve “ bigging up “ imo !

Stuart, I absolutely get that.  I love the chemistry of the four making music.  I love those individual players.  They each deserve the spotlight as well.  I hope they get in a room again, but I don't think Neil joining FM for this tour will delay another CH effort.  Maybe the opposite will occur, and his FM experience makes him yearn for his band and his friends for at least one more go around.  Let's see what happens.  

stuartjb posted:
Jaffaman posted:

Good thing I don't do counselling for a living, then. All those bright points and you focus on that!

I get the points you make . I’m very happy for Neil ! 

I’m a Crowded House fan though Jeremy ! Saying you don’t envisage new crowded house stuff “ for years” is obviously going to make me sad ! The musical roles of the other guys are really important to me .

Considering you were a large part of these magnificent deluxe albums , I thought you’d get that more than most ! 

I understand. I guess I like the idea of Neil trying different things from year to year. Intriguer and Time On Earth had some lovely songs but I found Dizzy Heights and Out Of Silence more satisfying as albums.

Steve Shealy posted:

Stuart, I was typing essentially what you said till I realized I was sounding pretty whiny and selfish, but yes, I do feel it is taking Neil away from any new music of his own for a lengthy time, and after dangling the "burst of creativity" and three albums in 2017 in front of us, I do feel extremely let down.

I do realize that is part of being a Neil fan, but knowing there is so much promising Neil music hanging out there, I just can't be excited about hearing him sing Fleetwood Mac songs.

Sorry for sounding whiny and selfish

i wish Neil nothing but the best , but we only come on here as fans to discuss our feelings and preferences of course

Steve Shealy posted:

... I do feel it is taking Neil away from any new music of his own for a lengthy time, and after dangling the "burst of creativity" and three albums in 2017 in front of us, I do feel extremely let down...

We know these things always stretch out for all sorts of reasons. I can't recall a third album being mentioned though.

Jaffaman posted:
stuartjb posted:
Jaffaman posted:

Good thing I don't do counselling for a living, then. All those bright points and you focus on that!

I get the points you make . I’m very happy for Neil ! 

I’m a Crowded House fan though Jeremy ! Saying you don’t envisage new crowded house stuff “ for years” is obviously going to make me sad ! The musical roles of the other guys are really important to me .

Considering you were a large part of these magnificent deluxe albums , I thought you’d get that more than most ! 

I understand. I guess I like the idea of Neil trying different things from year to year. Intriguer and Time On Earth had some lovely songs but I found Dizzy Heights and Out Of Silence more satisfying as albums.

Yesterday I mentioned on the other thread that I suddenly found “ Two minutes Silence “ to be a revelation . This reinforced my Crowded House Love , because I found it to be instantly better than anything on Dizzy Heights . Out of Silence is beautiful as an entire work , but again I don’t think it has a song on there that compares to “Two minutes “ or “ nonsense of course “ for that matter ..

i will follow everything Neil Does with interest and excitement , he’s my musical hero - but I do have preferences ... 

Above the Kitchen posted:

Stuart, I absolutely get that.  I love the chemistry of the four making music.  I love those individual players.  They each deserve the spotlight as well.  I hope they get in a room again, but I don't think Neil joining FM for this tour will delay another CH effort.  Maybe the opposite will occur, and his FM experience makes him yearn for his band and his friends for at least one more go around.  Let's see what happens.  

 

sounds good to me ! 

Its certainly making the forum nice and busy - which is great

Oh and another request for the upcoming Fleetwood Finn tour ... the incredible song "Sisters of The Moon" penned by Stevie. Unbelievable song ...  see below for those who don't know the song from the Tusk album. How freaking amazing would it be to have Neil and Mike Campbell accompany Stevie on this one ...

Sugar Mouse, I love both Sisters of the Moon and Storms, but the thought of Neil and not Lindsey performing those songs onstage as a member of Fleetwood Mac  is making me cringe.  I’m not really sure why I feel that way, although I think I would be cringing if it was anyone other than Lindsey under the “Fleetwood Mac” banner, not just Neil.

 

Above the Kitchen posted:

Yes, it's really nice to see familiar fans back online. Never say never on bands playing together again.  The Benny Goodman Quartet took nearly 25 years between projects.  That band had far more friction than CH, as far as I know, and they still reunited for an album. 

I got to see two bands reconvening after even longer lay-offs:

Tom Petty's pre-Heartbreakers band Mudcrutch evolved into the Heartbreakers in 1975 and re-emerged in 2007 to belatedly record their debut album released in 2008 and supported with tour of California that lasted a few weeks with Tom playing bass as he originally did in the band. A second album and national tour followed in 2016. So 32 years dormant there (and a connection with Neil's new bandmate Mike Campbell - lead guitarist in Mudcrutch and the Heartbreakers)

Buffalo Springfield broke up in 1968 and 42 years (!) later the surviving members reformed for two superb shows at Neil Young's Bridge School Benefit concerts in Mountain View, California, followed by a handful of performances in 2011.

Never say never indeed!

The Ligature posted:
Above the Kitchen posted:

Yes, it's really nice to see familiar fans back online. Never say never on bands playing together again.  The Benny Goodman Quartet took nearly 25 years between projects.  That band had far more friction than CH, as far as I know, and they still reunited for an album. 

I got to see two bands reconvening after even longer lay-offs:

Tom Petty's pre-Heartbreakers band Mudcrutch evolved into the Heartbreakers in 1975 and re-emerged in 2007 to belatedly record their debut album released in 2008 and supported with tour of California that lasted a few weeks with Tom playing bass as he originally did in the band. A second album and national tour followed in 2016. So 32 years dormant there (and a connection with Neil's new bandmate Mike Campbell - lead guitarist in Mudcrutch and the Heartbreakers)

Buffalo Springfield broke up in 1968 and 42 years (!) later the surviving members reformed for two superb shows at Neil Young's Bridge School Benefit concerts in Mountain View, California, followed by a handful of performances in 2011.

Never say never indeed!

Excellent examples, Ligature.  I was hoping like many were, that Buffalo Springfield would have played more gigs.  That Neil Young is the prototypical "expect the unexpected" artist. Our Neil has followed in his footsteps to a certain extent.  What was unique about the Benny Goodman Quartet was that all the musicians had some level of success in between recordings, leading their own groups.  

brownie posted:

Sugar Mouse, I love both Sisters of the Moon and Storms, but the thought of Neil and not Lindsey performing those songs onstage as a member of Fleetwood Mac  is making me cringe.  I’m not really sure why I feel that way, although I think I would be cringing if it was anyone other than Lindsey under the “Fleetwood Mac” banner, not just Neil.

 

I get it, Brownie.  I suspect that the setlist will be light on Lindsay songs. When Rick Vito and Billy Brunette replaced  Lindsay in the 80's, I think they played one (Go Your Own Way) maybe two Lindsay songs on tour.  No one can match the tense and ascerbic quality of Lindsay's vocals or the emotionally complicated interplay between him and Stevie.  I would cringe too if Neil and Stevie tried to replicate that. 

brownie posted:

Sugar Mouse, I love both Sisters of the Moon and Storms, but the thought of Neil and not Lindsey performing those songs onstage as a member of Fleetwood Mac  is making me cringe.  I’m not really sure why I feel that way, although I think I would be cringing if it was anyone other than Lindsey under the “Fleetwood Mac” banner, not just Neil.

 

Hi Brownie,

"Sisters of The Moon" was written by Stevie and I thought it was about her relationship with Christine (perhaps I'm wrong).  So I would love to see her sing it with Christine taking the "counter" vocal although, of course, Neil would be my first choice.

Jaffaman posted:
Steve Shealy posted:

... I do feel it is taking Neil away from any new music of his own for a lengthy time, and after dangling the "burst of creativity" and three albums in 2017 in front of us, I do feel extremely let down...

We know these things always stretch out for all sorts of reasons. I can't recall a third album being mentioned though.

Apart from "Out of Silence" and the Liam album, I thought Neil was teasing some musical project he was working on with Tim. That they'd written a bunch of songs, but hadn't decided exactly how they'd present them - maybe as a stage musical - was what he seemed to be suggesting. 

I think THAT is the "third" album or musical project everyone might be thinking of.

As for Neil in FM, why not? I know collaboration inspires him and it may open new ideas for him, creatively. At the very least, I imagine he'll have a blast being in FM for a tour. I just hope he doesn't sleep with anyone in the band (particularly Mick Fleetwood). I don't want to hear "Rumours 2" with an angry Neil bemoaning Mick's neglect for his feelings.

mattl posted:

Hello all---

I get it.  We're here because we love Neil's music, and him committing to a Mac tour means his own projects will be sent to the back burner for months, perhaps a year, depending on the length of the tour and/or his continuing participation in it.

Personally, I thought the same thing, but then I remembered how many of Neil's projects over the last 15 years involved collaborations of varying kinds.  I think he's just at a place in his career where he values different experiences, and this one should be unlike anything he's done before.  And he'll definitely bring something new and different to the band, that's for sure.

I regularly visit an FM fan website and message board, and the comments there have been overwhelmingly negative.  In fact, some of them have been downright ugly about Neil's participation, as if he was to blame for Lindsey Buckingham's dismissal.

For what it's worth, it DOES sound like the band might have treated LB unfairly, but who knows if we'll ever get the truth.  Supposedly, the band wanted to tour, but LB wanted time to release a solo record and do a short solo tour, and he was fired because of it.  LB fans are up in arms because the band waited on Stevie Nicks when she did the same thing a few years ago.  Clearly, the message is that Nicks runs the band now.

matt

I have to agree with you here. We have been a witness to Neil's incredible musical journey and truly blessed in watching this genius and I should've written genius in capital letters, morph into the amazing talented man he has become. Yes, I am gushing now but a few days ago was angry and feeling selfish. Like most of you feeling ripped off but now the shock has settled am in the realization Neil is wanted and loved by all. Why not share him with another group. Another style or genre shall we say. Neil is obviously jumping at this opportunity to help a friend in need, but I somehow feel this was on the cards for a little while just waiting for a break. So jump off that cliff Neil and explore the depths of where this may take you. For you have stood at that cliff for way too long and I fear we your fans may have held you back. We are blessed and FM are truly gifted to have you play with them. There will be more exposure no doubt and the beauty of internet, I do hope for a live performance or I believe there may even be a filmed final release for FMs goodbye tour. It only makes sense :-)  so yes whinge and whine but I don't think we should hold Neil back. I for one am letting him jump

As far as projects there are positives, as mentioned on the NEWS page at www.frenz.com/neilfinn/ the Liam-Neil album is still on release for late August (around the 24th) and various promotional ideas are being talked about. (more on that closer to release).  There have been time periods where Neil hasn't toured etc  we all survived those and new music (and gigs) were created and performed.  I like that he makes detours, maybe it also keeps the adventure fresh for him too? 

It must be all those Fleetwood Mac fans discovering Crowded House this week. The "Very Very Best Of Crowded House" jumps back into the Top 50 at #47 and moves up to #15 on the ARIA Catalogue chart. The Fleetwood Mac best Of is #8 on the Catalogue chart. 

I'm really pleased to hear the Neil/Liam record is stilled scheduled to happen this year - really pleased to hear that there is even a tentative date next to it now as well. Like the bits and pieces I've heard on you tube - think I read that Tchad Blake is the producer so that (if its right) gives me a good feeling.

I think I read elsewhere that FM are touring later in 2018 anyway. I have no opinion on Fleetwood Mac - have neither liked or not liked them. Joining them fits with Neil's now routine of making it impossible to second guess what he does next so you could say joining a band is a continuation of what he does. I'll be looking out for some live 2018 Fleetwood Mac to have a listen based on being a Finn fan. 

Who knows what will happen after the FM tour - I bet Neil probably isn't sure either but I think thats is how he prefers it nowadays... and good for him.

 

 

I like FM and I enjoy their music I have never seen them play live and I doubt Neil joining them to tour will change that, although I'd love to hear a duet between Neil and Christine.

Why Neil has decided to do this is bemusing but then I didn't understand why he toured with Paul Kelly until I heard the SOH show - I learnt a lot from that collaboration.

So I guess I will have to monitor events and see whether this detour proves fruitful however if anyone needs a Neil/Liam distraction someone has kindly posted the twilight at Taronga gig on YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpkzR3SdsAY

After listening to some rants on YT about Lindsey's firing, Neil has his work cut out for him.  Most of what I watched were Americans who didn't even know how Neil was.  It could also be that the fans against it are likely to be the most vocal but not necessarily the most in number.  Some did mention that they thought that Irving Azoff was behind this.  He was also supposedly behind getting Vince Gill and Deacon Frey into the Eagles.  The theory was that a FM tour was pencilled in.  But when Lindsey started making a fuss, Irving supposedly told Mick that Lindsey has to go.  He was hell-bent on keeping the tour on track.  This could explain why the decision to get Mike and Neil went apparently so quickly.  Again, this is all speculation but it does make sense to me.  If Irving's hands are all over this, then it is unlikely Neil will be doing much if any of his material.  Neil will mostly likely just be a sideman on this tour, so I really doubt this will win over any new CH/Neil fans.  I wish Neil much luck as it appears that he may be walking into a "lion's den".   My mind is still boggled by this decision.  Someone mentioned the NF/PK tour.  Well, that one made sense to me from the get go.  I am forever grateful that these two artists did not have managers that were as overly controlling as Irving Azoff otherwise that tour may never have happened. 

The Eagles situation is a lot different as it involved the passing of a founding member and he was replaced by his son and a highly respected country music legend in Vince Gill.

The Mac situation had to do with a very complex set of personalities and events most of which are likely unknown to the public.

I've been reading some of the posts on the Fleetwood Mac forum and wow there is a lot of angry folks.  I get it.  I felt that way when a similar thing happened to two of my favorite bands: when Mick Jones was kicked out of The Clash and when Fish was "fired" from Marillion.

Lindsey, while not the best songwriter in Fleetwood Mac, was the creative driving force without a doubt. That being said, the new FM lineup is likely to be a completely different beast than the soft yacht rock of past tours.

Look for Neil and Mike to instill some much needed energy into the tour. I see folks posting that they expect very few if any Neil or Petty songs but I bet you will. Maybe even a Split Enz song (Message or I Got You would sound great with the Mac). It's obviously going to be mostly Mac songs but I could see 1-2 songs for Neil and 1-2 songs for Mike. Maybe even a mid-show segment for that.

Few have mentioned the events of last year related to the Buckingham/McVie album. That album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album but Stevie Nicks refused to participate. In retrospect, that decision hinted at a large strain in the band.

In prior years, it would be unthinkable that Stevie would refuse to participate in a project if the other four members (especially Christine) were on board. I suspect that there's a lot more to the story than we know at the moment.

All the more reason why I do not understand Neil's decision.  I also always thought that Neil hated Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty.  The Tom Petty tour that SE opened up for left a sour taste in his mouth.  Neil was also very quiet when TP died.  Again if Irving Azoff has his way, and he will if anything that I know about him is true, Neil will be relegated to a sideman position.

Here's an article that may speak to the underlying tension between Irving Azoff and Lindsay Buckingham as well Lindsay and Stevie

  It's just odd that Stevie refuses to play on a new Fleetwood Mac album that morphed into a Buckingham-McVie album with Mick and John the rhythm section.  Stevie stays in the group but Lindsay doesn't want to tour and he's fired.  Obviously, touring makes money, new albums generally do not.  And touring is a manager-led process.  The hardcore FM fans may be right.  This may be an Azoff decision.

 

 

http://www.latimes.com/enterta...7-story.html?ref=yfp

amjfrenz posted:

All the more reason why I do not understand Neil's decision.  I also always thought that Neil hated Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty.  The Tom Petty tour that SE opened up for left a sour taste in his mouth.  Neil was also very quiet when TP died.  

Not so sure about this.

I can't find the Tweet but someone did ask, at the time of Tom's death, Neil if he had a favourite Tom Petty song. Neil replied with "Free falling". 

I also wouldn't read too  closely into Neil's views of other musicians back during Split Enz. Didn't he actually make a disparaging remark about Stevie during his time in Split Enz where Stevie didn't want any photos taken at a gig? 

From what I remember, someone had tweeted him and asked what he remembered about that tour.  He said that they were not given adequate time to do sound check and that they were told not to photograph or film Stevie.  She had been tagging along with TP on that tour.   In the 'Stranger than Fiction' book, they also talked about her erratic behaviour.  But, I believe at that time she was going through her cocaine addiction.  It ended up sounding like it was a tour that they would rather forget.

I honestly think Neil has gone for the vulgar $ on this... can't blame him I suppose.  Recording studios to run and probably salaried people.  I hope it helps Neil's music which I find has gone in a steady decline; playing away from his strengths of hooks and melodies.  I just hope that playing some Fleetwood Mac reminds him of these and gets him musically a bit more back on track.  it's probably not good to record with Fleetwood Mac as that would be a hiding to nothing.  Anyone remember the Time album... thought not! 

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