Neil and Liam Finn video of Twilight at Taronga up on Youtube!

Just to let everyone know, that this video was taken down by Youtube, because of a copyright claim by PIAS, apparently the label the new CD "Lightsleeper" appears on, with a copyright strike against my Youtube account. Needless to say I'm disappointed. I'm merely a fan and thought this live video promotes the new album, 3000 viewers are 3000 potential buyers of the new album. The least they could have done is contact me with a request   to take it down, which I would have done without hesitation. Swinging the big legal hammer against fans, not a smart choice in my opinion. Anyway, take notice of this incident if you're inclined to post videos of this  act, and apply caution in your own interest.

I understand the disappointment, but labels have their own carefully considered plan to market and expose an album...so something like this is considered a threat to their plan (and thus the album’s success) more than a help. Is that true? Probably not, and I doubt Neil & Liam would object, but I can understand the label being cagey before the album comes out.  Hopefully when the dust settles they won’t be so litigious.

babaluma posted:

Just to let everyone know, that this video was taken down by Youtube, because of a copyright claim by PIAS, apparently the label the new CD "Lightsleeper" appears on, with a copyright strike against my Youtube account. Needless to say I'm disappointed. I'm merely a fan and thought this live video promotes the new album, 3000 viewers are 3000 potential buyers of the new album. The least they could have done is contact me with a request   to take it down, which I would have done without hesitation. Swinging the big legal hammer against fans, not a smart choice in my opinion. Anyway, take notice of this incident if you're inclined to post videos of this  act, and apply caution in your own interest.

That is disappointing. Sadly most labels are short-sided in their thinking not realizing that a YouTube video is great marketing for the new album. And they can claim the video without taking it down and generate some ad revenue.

babaluma posted:

Just to let everyone know, that this video was taken down by Youtube, because of a copyright claim by PIAS, apparently the label the new CD "Lightsleeper" appears on, with a copyright strike against my Youtube account. Needless to say I'm disappointed. I'm merely a fan and thought this live video promotes the new album, 3000 viewers are 3000 potential buyers of the new album. The least they could have done is contact me with a request   to take it down, which I would have done without hesitation. Swinging the big legal hammer against fans, not a smart choice in my opinion. Anyway, take notice of this incident if you're inclined to post videos of this  act, and apply caution in your own interest.

Yes I think it's a shame sometimes that they don't send a request/alert before giving a strike without notice that has considerable impact on an account for a term.

I also believe that many of these videos actually help increase awareness of an artist. As long as you're not trying to claim the work as your own or monetise it for yourself in some way...

The line unfortunately isn't always clear and some claims are 'automated' on youtube with the Content ID system. For those perhaps not familiar with how this works, the following link may be helpful:

https://support.google.com/you...answer/2797370?hl=en

When you upload a video to youtube, it's scanned for Content ID matches. If there is a match with copyrighted material, you are given a range of options. I don't think there is any penalty at this stage of the process. But if you get a Content ID match after uploading because it's been lodged at a later point by the 'content owner', you may get restrictions put on the video, have terms of use applied or you may get a strike if it's removed completely.

If YouTube recognises your content when you upload it and you can attribute the proper credit, I think you're quite safe and it's really a win-win for both parties. The artist gets the credit and if they allow use with some advertising, they can get some revenue from the views.

But the system isn't without shortcomes and potential errors. (I think I've even heard of people getting copyright claims on privately filmed video containing natural bird noises! because the bird sound happened to resemble part of a Content ID track. You can lodge an appeal with youtube and sometimes get a video reinstated, but in the more contentious cases it's likely to be a complicated legal process.)

 

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