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Not sure how many might be interested, but there seems to be some excitement at least when I joined here a few months ago, in that I am really at the beginning of discovery for all things Finn.

I may have already come a long way in that time, but as of today, I now have in my hands my very own copy of Crowded House. I am excited to start from the beginning of CH and if any care to come along you may read my blurts about it. You may post your own memories of your experiences.

Welcome to my journey, let's get excited about this together!
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I actually think it would be interesting to get a fresh/new perspective on this album.

I've noted elsewhere that the problem with playing the best/worst album game is that some albums have had much longer to become familiar than others and so the playing field isn't a level one.

For myself, I first heard the debut in 1992 when, flushed with excitement about my (re)discovery of the band as Woodface took off in the UK, I bought it and Temple Of Low Men.

At that time, the production of the debut was becoming dated but hadn't yet become the laughing stock it is now.

My initial response to this album was that it was wonderful: fun in part, moving in others but rammed to the brim with melody. Neil's raucous vocal delivery was a shock at first but soon became a part of the fabric of the album.

As the years have passed the album has become over-familiar. I know it so well that I don't even need to play it: any time I fancy hearing the song my own internal juke box happily obliges Smiler

Generally, what I find with albums is this: over time I begin to take them for granted. I start picking fault: the production of CH is, erm, dated; That's What I Call Love is the worst song in the band's catalogue bar none and I won't listen to a word of dissent. I forget that, well, it features 10 marvellous pieces of pop writing that every other songwriter in the world would give his strumming arm to have written.

Of course, Neil went on to even better things and this poor album has become something of a poor relation, it's charms and qualities taken for granted and overlooked because of its failings. In consideration of its place in the CH pantheon it probably scores poorly simply because we've all lived with it for years - familiarity breeds contempt.

But whenever I look at the track listing on the back cover I can't help but be reminded just what a phenomenal collection of songs live within the grooves.

So, sit back and enjoy. Your world will be a better place for it.
I think Paul H is too hard on the production of the first album. Sure it's dated, but I don't think it's any more dated than Woodface or Together Alone. Only Temple of Low Men seems to live in a world outside of conventional pop production (in terms of the original 4 CH albums).

I think the album is far more listenable than some of the 80's standards that are still played on radio today. Just last week I was walking through Baltimore's famous Inner Harbor and "Don't Dream It's Over" was blasting out of the speakers at the Hard Rock Cafe sounding just as immediate and relevant as any of the modern rock songs that came before and after it.

The success of the first album just hits you over the head. "Mean To Me", "World Where You Live", "Now We're Getting Somewhere", "Don't Dream It's Over" - after the first 4 tracks you already feel like you're listening to a greatest hits album!

"Love You Till the Day I Die" is a bit off-kilter but the bridge is epic. "Something So Strong" and "Hole in the River" are again greatest hits material. Only after that does the album show it's few minor weaknesses.

"Can't Carry On", produced by Eddie Rayner from Split Enz, is easily the most dated sounding song with some of Neil's worst lyrics but it is nevertheless still a strong track. "I Walk Away" is actually one of my favs but it is a re-work of a Split Enz song, so it's a bit strange to have to split my loyalties. "Tombstone" might not be a greatest hit but it's still has great curb appeal.

As for "That's What I Call Love", there was a time when I would have sworn that I would never listen to that song again. But now I think that if you can't listen to the song then you're just going into it with the wrong expectations. I have a bootleg from the mid 80's and when CH starts this song the crowd just goes wild. Why? Because it's a ton of fun! Great groove, great melodies! So what if it's just a pop song, it knows what it's doing and it's doing it really well!

As for my Finn journey, I discovered DDIO in 1993 and, even though I could have bought Woodface or Temple or TA, I bought the debut album and benefited from going through the CH discography in order. I believe I immediately loved the album more than any other album I had ever purchased - though it took me much longer to warm up to some of the others.
My Finn journey started in 1992 when I was on a 2 hour car trip from Brussels to Eindhoven with a New Zealander I barely knew (to play together in a cricket match), and he played Woodface repeatedly the whole journey. By the end I could sing most of the tracks and I knew I was hooked.

I bought Woodface, CH and TOLM all together and played them endlessly thinking music could never get any better. I was wrong, because TA came out the next year...

P.S. if you're a Forum member Stuart R. please let me know.
I can see my mailman coming from where I sit with my Frenz and coffee in the morning. I've been chasing him all week so I can see if one or both of my cds have arrived. Today the first made it to the mail box. And thankfully it really is the first!! Crowded House is in my house Wink The packaging is lame, but who cares!! It made it in one piece!!

Opening the jacket, I giggle that Nick is listed as Nicholas! Also a little miffed that there is a flaw on the photo on his nose Frowner

I pop the cd into the laptop, I don't want to wait for the ipod to sync and blah blah blah, but turns out I'm spoiled by my BOSE that I got for Christmas and I can't take the tinny sound of the laptop. Feels like it's taking forever! Probably doesn't help that I'm doing a hundred things at once. But thankfully it's my home alone no kids day so I have run of the place!

So checking out the jacket while I wait, I see there is 5 of the 11 tracks that I don't already own in some form. Of those I have not hear 2, I walk Away and Tombstone, and the others I haven't heard much.

Mean to Me, I already love it. Rocker Neil is my fave. Great kick off for an album! I'm dancing in the kitchen, then holding the jacket and reading the lyrics along with the music, even though I know them something settles over me like; justification, I got the words right!; immersion, feeling the music through me sight, sound, vibration, touch. There really is something about having the physical package in my hands. I'm loving the ease of iTunes, I can have it now if it's there. But I can't have the stuff!! I need the stuff!!

I'm also making notes while I'm listening so I can remember the little things like, while I was noting that my copy was printed in Canada... Love You Till the Day I Day came on and scared the crap out of me!! I'm guessing that's Hessie screaming at me?! Lmao!! I have only heard this on a live recording before, which I love. But the harder edge on the album, is very cool. I do see what someone had said in another thread about the band not quite knowing their place yet.

Really incredible my little Christmas gift to me, BOSE makes anything sound like it was recorded yesterday!

Hole in the River - I kinda like the jazzy interludes within the sadness of the recording, but the haunting live version I find much more moving. I find the switch in tempo too comedic for the apparent meaning of the song.

Can't Carry On feels very 80's is that because I've only heard it a couple times, or is it really that dated?

Now this is what I called confused... I have seen a live performance of TWICL on youtube and these are not the same lyrics. Is this a case of the Americans weren't allowed to hear about sisters kissing sisters and bothers kissing brothers? Or was I taken by a little funny business from the guys on once upon live tv?

So first run through. I still love the staples on the disc. I'll have to give the rest time to sink in, but isn't that how it seems to go with Neil's creations? Funny note: I'm so into my gadgets, I brought my iPod and plugged it into the car when I got there to do my errands today. I have the CD now. Cds sound better than my FM transmitter. Why didn't I bring the cd?

I will be listening to Crowded House all week. I'll post new findings as I go. Then onto TOLM!
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Originally posted by TruTwisty:
Love You Till the Day I Day came on and scared the crap out of me!! I'm guessing that's Hessie screaming at me?! Lmao!! I have only heard this on a live recording before, which I love. But the harder edge on the album, is very cool.

Can't Carry On feels very 80's is that because I've only heard it a couple times, or is it really that dated?

Now this is what I called confused... I have seen a live performance of TWICL on youtube and these are not the same lyrics. Is this a case of the Americans weren't allowed to hear about sisters kissing sisters and bothers kissing brothers? Or was I taken by a little funny business from the guys on once upon live tv?


LYTTDID is my fav track off CH, I love that it's so wild compared to the rest and a great song! Who doesn't love it when Neil yells "PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER BABY, PUSH WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT". Is that Hessie screaming? I'm not sure Confused could be Neil, does anyone else know?

Yes CCO is that dated, but it was also a bonus track, when I brought the album years ago, on tape, it wasn't on it.

This a question I've always had and maybe other Frenz could clarify. There are definitely two set of lyric for this song, I think the brothers and sisters lyrics were the original and then it was re-written for the album, maybe to sound less suggestive. You'll note Hessie gets a writing credit, I like to think the references to Vacuum cleaners, sweeping and "I tidy up your room, you tidy up my life" are Hessie lyrics. Don't know if that's true though.

Some people don't like this song because of it 80's funk arrangement and production, very ABC or Spandau Ballet. But I can't imagine it being done any other way, it just shows how versatile CH are.
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Originally posted by TruTwisty:
It's on every live version I have. Paul says it in one form or another same place, same time bang on.

There is a piece of this puzzle we're missing. I think we need Gryph or BART.


- can't help really, other than Paul appeared in a VB Bitter ad. and that was their 'strapline'.....guess it just caught on as a crowd thing?
So I have been listening to only Crowed House self titled since it arrived on Friday. Other than a couple hours on the weekend where I caved to peer pressure and put my playlist to Every thing Finn. I had company, I had to be somewhat accommodating Wink

I really am starting to get the other songs on the album. Still can't grasp Tombstone though. The lyrics are too obvious for my liking and for what Neil is capable of. Too lazy pop for me at this time. But I will not make that my final answer.

Can't Carry On, I found really dated, still do, but lyrically it's sinking in. It has a place in my life. I'm starting to really love it.

My intention is to continue to listen to CH exclusively until this Friday. Temple of Low Men should be here by then and then I will have more first time reviews for you!

Something that I mentioned on another thread, that I wanted to mention here.

I walk on days that won't give me frost bite. I'm a walking thinker. I have my tunes and that is the world where I live, or my private universe for that time.

Today I was calculating dates. CH came out in 1986. I was in grade 6 (Canadian school board I was 11yrs). I remember DDIO, I loved Much Music back in the day when they played music.

But being that I was preteen, CH did not grab me at that time. I regretted that for a moment then thought, who would I be today, if I had been wrapped up in CH the way I was pulled into (confession time) New Kids on the Block. Would I be more intelligent? Because really, no comparison! I can't imagine who I would be. But I'm happy with the person I am. And I'm loving my CH adventure today. This is the right time of my life for this music.

Yes I missed a lot!! Some of it, there is no retrieving. I'll never see Hessie on the drums live. I can only live this on video. If they boys don't get their asses in gear and get over here I will never see them live. But I have hours of amazing music, live and studio that I can have anytime I want.

But I think more important than that at this point is I have a world of people to share all this with everyday. I don't just mean in this thread, but in this forum and through Twitter and FaceBook I have joined an army of great, smart and interesting people and I am greatly thankful to all of Crowded House past, present, future for all this.

So now you have your warm fussies for the day!
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Originally posted by Kittybear:
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Originally posted by TruTwisty:
It's on every live version I have. Paul says it in one form or another same place, same time bang on.

There is a piece of this puzzle we're missing. I think we need Gryph or BART.


I'm happy to be mistaken/wrong, but I always thought it was Nick who said "the best cold beer is Vic" Confused.


- definitely Paul's ad - can anyone link to the clip?
I'm limiting myself to one album at a time as a way of sorting the songs in time.

Ask a more veteran fan what album a song was originally on and they could tell you right quick. When I opened my copy of CH, I learned that songs I had on my best of were some of the oldest CH songs.

I will work myself to where I can name track listings, seems fanatical, but um I think that's where the term came from? Wink
So TOLM arrived on Friday as planned!! Big Grin But of course I had a house full of kids all day and the weekend does not allow for me to sit and listen to music at my leisure as I'm sure you all have similar issues with life interrupting pleasure! lol

My first reaction however was, "Why is I Feel Possessed first on the track list?" Right off I felt that it should trade places with Kill Eye. Give me a big Neil yell right from the start and I'm in for the ride. But while I like I Feel Possessed, a lot, it's not a first track grabber for me.

I also really like Mansion In the Slums first time I heard it! Really like the way the tone of the melody slides around. Creates an interesting mood. I will get more time with it through the week and hopefully get a feel for some of the other songs that are new to me.
Here's an interesting pondering. My 4 and a half year old is convinced that something in Kill Eye sounds like Aladdin. I can only assume she means the Disney version, but every time the song comes on (cd is the only one allowed in the car atm) She says, "see Mommy!! It sounds like the one from Aladdin!!"

I am racking my brain trying to find a connection, because I don't discount that children can hear things just as well, if not better than adults at times. Sometimes adults are so trained to listen for specific things, we miss the simple things kids would catch.

So if anyone has a clue, let me know. I'll be convincing her to turn off Mario Kart this afternoon to watch Aladdin with me and maybe she can point out the part that sound like the song from those guys I like. (That's what the girls would say.)

Also, if anyone has anything they feel they would like to contribute or share here, it's not my personal blog. Well, it is a little. But I like to think of it as an interactive one lol
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Originally posted by TruTwisty:
So TOLM arrived on Friday as planned!! Big Grin But of course I had a house full of kids all day and the weekend does not allow for me to sit and listen to music at my leisure as I'm sure you all have similar issues with life interrupting pleasure! lol

My first reaction however was, "Why is I Feel Possessed first on the track list?" Right off I felt that it should trade places with Kill Eye. Give me a big Neil yell right from the start and I'm in for the ride. But while I like I Feel Possessed, a lot, it's not a first track grabber for me.

I also really like Mansion In the Slums first time I heard it! Really like the way the tone of the melody slides around. Creates an interesting mood. I will get more time with it through the week and hopefully get a feel for some of the other songs that are new to me.


I think IFP is first on the album to lull you into a deep dark sense of insecurity, don't you find it a tad sinister?

Then KILLEYE comes along a BAM!!!!!, it's a bit like LYTTDID on CH, it scares the "bejesus" out of you Big Grin.

Mansion is my fav CH track of all time, I love it so much - if you haven't done so already Tru, listen to the lyrics, so pertinent for our times yet written such a long time ago.
you lucky person getting to discover all those gems for the first time! there's hardly a duff track on any of the first four albums.

in my opinion the first four albums get better with each release with the 4th being the best so listen to them in order.

ch 8
tolm 9
woodface 9.5
ta 10

there's not many other bands whose first four improve in quality. not even the beatles. their 3rd album "a hard day's night" was better than the 4th "beatles for sale".

the cure did it....
3 imaginary boys < 17 seconds < faith < pornography

anyone think of any other bands that achieved this? maybe led zep? led zep iv gets rated the higher but does led zep iii beat led zep ii?
So the conclusion to the Kill Eye sounds like Aladdin theory. My kids is 4. lol

The opening sequence to the movie has some brass that moves at a similar cadence to Kill Eye, so I kinda see where she draws a comparison. But as much benefit of the doubt as I give her, it is a stretch.

I won't dissuade her from attempting to make these kinds of connections in the future as I feel it will train her ear.

Thank you for your post Kare! I have spent a lot of time with Woodface as I recieved it back in the fall. But I will purchase a cd copy as I like to have the art work and call me a tree killer, but I like to have the whole thing in my hot little hands! lol

So I may just spend the extra time I have until I can track down and afford Together Alone, running through CH, TOLM and WF until I can memorize track order as well as all the words.

Something I have been trying this week, is to not sing a long! Trying to hear all the inflections in Neil's voice and enjoy it, without trying to best him in my head! It's very hard to do!
Sorry for being so late, Trutwisty, but I couldn't do this before.
I went back to listen to CH only for some days. Strange thing: I felt like last September was just yesterday and in the same time 2 years ago. Because it sounds so familiar now, but still all the memories of the first listenings come back as fresh as a thing just happened.

I knew DDIO by memory, it's the only song from this album to go on rotation on our radios, but listening to I realised I should have heard some other before, a long time ago. I suppose those were the ones played in the Eighties (like Something so Strong, Now we're getting Somewere, That's What I Call Love). Had a very strange feeling when I heard I Walk Away, then I realised it was a different version of a Split Enz One.

The first new, never heard song to emerge was Hole in the River. Undoubtedly magic for me, charming and elegant, really mesmerizing, but I understood words and sentences here and there and I was horrified because it apparently was about a suicide. I wondered if it was about something real, or if Neil made that up. Went to read the lyric just to be sure. Thought it was++ really a nightmarish lyric for such a beautiful music...
Nevertheless now I think it's a perfect match. It is quite the right music for such an experience. I was not used to Neil's lyrics, and the way he just writes about subjects that are unusual (if not taboo) in both pop and rock music. I read somewhere those are lyrics for adults, and I guess it's the perfect definition.
I enjoy it now, but in the beginning it was a shock.

Slowly other songs became more and more familiar: I found myself jumping on the car seat when Can't Carry On was on the speakers. It usally happened when I was going out of the highway on the industrial zone and that's always a mess in a working day: never loved so much a queue before!
After a few days the intro of Mean to Me was like meeting an old friend. Beautiful song, still perplexed by the lyric. Went to read and it was like "Eh?"
Does this man have a really big problem with life? Is this the kind of things to write about?

Then World Where You Live and Now We're getting Somewhere emerged. I still like them very much (even if they pale near the ones I still had to discover). Not masterpieces, but I would like other writers to do more non-masterpieces like those.
Love You 'Til The Day I Die was very strange for my ears, pleasurable, but with a dark mood, even ominous, still strangely captivating.
After that Something So Strong is a minor shock: flat, banal, foreseeable, very "symmetric" (just what I don't like that much). I know it was a hit, but I don't understand what people finds in this song.
Tombstone and That's What I call Love are nice but didn't impress me. I just listened to the album so many times that they became part of the family (again, like old friends).

I read posts in this forum complaining about the dated production, the Eighties sound, and (if my memory is correct) even saying that the album is almost unlistenable... Well, you maybe are only too used to it! You seem not to understand how beautiful this music is compared to other songs that was made in the same time.

I mean: it has an Eighties sound beacause it was made in the Eighties. The "dressing" seems old now, but the material is very good and I bet most of the songs would still be fine with a more modern production.
I know someone will verbally kill me on this, but if you want to hear very old-sounding, dated music go and listen to Escapade.

Luckily our man had more surprises for me to discover, but more of this in another post. I wrote really too much!
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I read posts in this forum complaining about the dated production, the Eighties sound, and (if my memory is correct) even saying that the album is almost unlistenable... Well, you maybe are only too used to it! You seem not to understand how beautiful this music is compared to other songs that was made in the same time.


I'm glad you said this. I don't care so much about the production myself. If the sound is pleasing to me, touches me It's good with me. I don't really know what people mean when they complain about production either I like the way it sounds or I don't.

Some of these songs do sound very 80's, and good! That's when they were created! But what amazes me, and probably makes the 80's sounding ones stick out, is that some of the songs are completely timeless!! DDIO, Hole in the River, LYTTDID - if I had heard them on the radio for the first time tomorrow, I wouldn't know they were 30 years old. So much music now is a throw back to the past, so it could totally pass!

I find this through out Crowded House library. And it is one of the reasons that although I didn't know what had happened with them the past decade, I could always come back to my one disc I had and fall in love over and over.
I think the issue with 80s production is that some of it does sound good, but some of it also can sound very over-the-top, which can push it into comical and therefore unlistenable.

I agree with you both, Eudoxia and TruTwisty, that the original Crowded House album sounds 80s in a good way, but if you listen to Tim Finn's mid-80s albums - Escapade and Big Canoe - then perhaps you will see what we mean, when we wish that the over-the-top 80s production on those albums could be stripped away to let the excellent songs underneath reach their full potential.

One other reason why the original Crowded House album's production sounds good is that Mitchell Froom is a brilliant producer.
I think you're right, Runner, for most of your post.
I don't have Big Canoe, but I have Escapade, and in the enthusiasm of (re) discovering the Finns music I listened to it full of hopes... what a sore disillusion! But here we go to the point:

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I think the issue with 80s production is that some of it does sound good, but some of it also can sound very over-the-top, which can push it into comical and therefore unlistenable.


I honestly find Escapade unlistenable. Just to be sure not to go back to the "Wish I could have held my tongue" post I will wait and listen several times to Tim's albums in the future, before expressing a judgement, but I can say now without any problem that I find Neil's music much more modern (would be better say timeless) than Tim's one.
What I mean is that even if the production can do harm, if the stuff is very good it survives after years or decades. I don't know if this could be said of the Escapade songs, to me they are old-fashioned in production AND in structure, but as I said before I could be wrong.

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One other reason why the original Crowded House album's production sounds good is that Mitchell Froom is a brilliant producer.


Quite right. The other one is that Neil is a Hell (Heaven?) of a composer!
I'm having a Woodface day. I have been spinning CH and TOLM every chance I get, the kids are begging for "normal" music in the car. I feel a little craving for the music I know is yet to come, but I'm doing my best to stick to my plan!!

I listened to the 1999 live Split Enz while making dinner. I figure that counts as pre CH so it's not really cheating Wink Love it!! It totally gets me dancing in my kitchen. And the kids love it!

I would like to mention that the Frenz community is amazing!! One of our fellow members had read in one of my many posts around here that I am in the process of collecting everything and anything I can get my hands on. Music is my top priority at the moment. I don't even know her name on the forums! lol
But she contacted me on Twitter and let me know that she had a brand new still wrapped copy of Afterglow that I could have as a gift if I wanted it. I don't actually know where in the world she is either!

So she's let me know that the package will be in the mail when she is able to get to the post. Just one of our generous frenz that we have here. And I want to acknowledge and thank her here, once I find out her tag name!
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Originally posted by Runner:
I think the issue with 80s production is that some of it does sound good, but some of it also can sound very over-the-top, which can push it into comical and therefore unlistenable.

I agree with you both, Eudoxia and TruTwisty, that the original Crowded House album sounds 80s in a good way, but if you listen to Tim Finn's mid-80s albums - Escapade and Big Canoe - then perhaps you will see what we mean, when we wish that the over-the-top 80s production on those albums could be stripped away to let the excellent songs underneath reach their full potential.

One other reason why the original Crowded House album's production sounds good is that Mitchell Froom is a brilliant producer.


It's funny, I've been listening to the first CH album quite a bit lately, on account of recently acquiring a US first press LP to go with my Aus pressing. To me the production does veer into a negative at times (I certainly feel a little self-conscious playing it at my preferred volume with the windows open!), but on the other hand, this album has more upbeat energy than any of their others, and I can't really imagine how they would have kept that if the 80s-ness had been removed. Would be interesting to hear though!

As far as comparing the two versions, I much prefer having I Walk Away on the US rather than Can't Carry On on the Aus, but moving Mean To Me to track four on the US is just wrong! Sound quality wise, both of them completely trounce my UK CD, with the edge going to the US copy (not really a surprise given it would have been mastered from the original tapes in L.A. by the excellent Wally Traugott, rather than from a copy tape in Aus by ???) which has a bit more clarity and bass. If anyone is looking for a copy, look for 'Wally' in the deadwax, both sides.

What does the UK CD have going for it? Well it has 11 tracks in the 'right' order, and, um... that's about it. Other than that, it's totally embarrassed by both LPs.
Interesting point Geoff. It hadn't occurred to me that different countries had different releases. I bought my copy of CH from a Quebec shop through Amazon.ca It says printed in Canada, and Mean to Me is the first track and I have both I Walk Away and Can't Carry On. Now I want to start a thread to learn all the different releases of albums!! Or we can certainly discuss it here as we get to each album.
I know with One Nil there were two releases at least, because I have both of those Wink Thanks to "Steve"

Vinyl. Now there is something special. I have heard the preference of many in this regard and I have a few vinyls that are looking for a good player to be exercised on. None of them CH, or Finn for that matter. But someday!
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Originally posted by Suffer Never:
...too tempting! Away to ebay I go then...


Good work! I've not heard a UK copy, but if it is anything like either the AU or the US then you are in for a treat.

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Originally posted by TruTwisty:
Interesting point Geoff. It hadn't occurred to me that different countries had different releases. I bought my copy of CH from a Quebec shop through Amazon.ca It says printed in Canada, and Mean to Me is the first track and I have both I Walk Away and Can't Carry On. Now I want to start a thread to learn all the different releases of albums!! Or we can certainly discuss it here as we get to each album.
I know with One Nil there were two releases at least, because I have both of those Wink Thanks to "Steve"

Vinyl. Now there is something special. I have heard the preference of many in this regard and I have a few vinyls that are looking for a good player to be exercised on. None of them CH, or Finn for that matter. But someday!


I believe all current CDs run the 11 track order (Mean To Me track one, both CCO and IWA on side 2). I'm not sure what the original US CDs were, but my wife has a copy of the original AU CD, and that is the same as the AU LP - no I Walk Away. First time she heard my UK CD she was confused!

As far as I'm aware (and I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out how wrong I am) the only other album with a different version available is the Japanese CD of Together Alone which has 1 or 2 extra tracks on the end, as often happens with JP CDs. Can't remember what those tracks are, though...

Oh, and Paul, VocalicPage backs me up on the debut... Big Grin

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listen to the first album on CD and listen to it on vinyl. No contest, the record wipes the floor with the CD.


Yes. 1000 x yes.
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Originally posted by GeoffR:
the only other album with a different version available is the Japanese CD of Together Alone which has 1 or 2 extra tracks on the end, as often happens with JP CDs. Can't remember what those tracks are, though...


I think the extra track on the Japanese CD is You Can Touch which the rest of us have on Afterglow.

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