quote:I'm pretty sure Neil gets custom Matons.
This is it yes? .. Same model as seen here being played by Tommy Emanuel
This is it yes? .. Same model as seen here being played by Tommy Emanuel
This is it yes? .. Same model as seen here being played by Tommy Emanuel
quote:'Not the Girl'' is the one for me.
I'm sure it reminds me of a particular Beatles song, but I'm being driven bonkers trying to figure out exactly which one. If anybody can put me out of my misery, I'd be grateful.
Not the Girl is the most Lennonesque CH song I've ever heard.
well I know it does'nt really sound like it as such, but Not The Girl always reminds me of Yes It Is (one of my fave Beatles songs)
yep - it sounds reminicent of yes it is to me too.my wife once wanted to know why i had a beatles song(not the girl...) on a crowded house tape! - so there you go.it defo sounds beatles circa '65.
to be honest it might be quicker to list the songs that don't sound 'beately' - and for me thats no bad thing!
to be honest it might be quicker to list the songs that don't sound 'beately' - and for me thats no bad thing!
In addition to NTGYTYA and FSIOD, for some reason Mean to Me always sounded a little Beatlesey to me. Not sure why - maybe that scream before "I could not escape..." 
But also when I played a concert cd of theirs during a car trip with my mom last year, my mom heard the similarity during the same song (and being the Americans that we are, the only songs she'd ever heard beforehand were DDIO and SSS, so hearing the Beatles was unexpected for her).
But also when I played a concert cd of theirs during a car trip with my mom last year, my mom heard the similarity during the same song (and being the Americans that we are, the only songs she'd ever heard beforehand were DDIO and SSS, so hearing the Beatles was unexpected for her).
'Not The Girl' always reminded me more of Elliott Smith than the Beatles. To me, Neil sounds his most McCartneyesque during the bridge on English Trees.
I think Neil/CH aren't all that Beatlesque apart from their knack for crafting melodic songs. Chocolate Cake might be the closest I've heard them come to sounding like the Beatles.
I think Neil/CH aren't all that Beatlesque apart from their knack for crafting melodic songs. Chocolate Cake might be the closest I've heard them come to sounding like the Beatles.
Not the Girl always reminds me of Happiness Is A Warm Gun.
Just bits of it and the style it's sung I think.
Just bits of it and the style it's sung I think.
Am I the only one who thinks You Can Touch is also quite Beatle-esque? More like some of the earlier Beatles stuff.
i reckon you can touch could have easily fitted on 'revolver' - especially with the exellent bass part and chiming guitars.
the beatles and crowded house are my two fav bands.for me it's not difficult to see why.i find it impossible not to hear massive similarities in their sound and musical style.
the beatles and crowded house are my two fav bands.for me it's not difficult to see why.i find it impossible not to hear massive similarities in their sound and musical style.
A bit left of field this one, but I always hear Macca in All I Ask.
Definitely always heard Lennon in Kill Eye and Fame Is, as did a friend of mine way back that didn't know much Crowdies stuff.
I'm a big Beatles fan too, but something in me hates to think of the influence - i know that's weird and it's a personal thing with me. I must have some sort of condition.
Definitely always heard Lennon in Kill Eye and Fame Is, as did a friend of mine way back that didn't know much Crowdies stuff.
I'm a big Beatles fan too, but something in me hates to think of the influence - i know that's weird and it's a personal thing with me. I must have some sort of condition.
Hang on...no one has mentioned 'Into Temptation?' (Or did I miss it?)
It has more than a touch of 'A Day in the Life' about it.
Especially the long pauses between lines.
Melodically it's a little similar too.
It has more than a touch of 'A Day in the Life' about it.
Especially the long pauses between lines.
Melodically it's a little similar too.
This is a fun thread. My response, though, is to turn it around and wonder: which Beatles song is most Crowded House-esque?
Cry Baby Cry gets my vote. The acoustic guitar, the vocal phrasings, the melodic lines coupled with the weird minor and 7th chords, even the harmonium, all sound like elements of a Crowded House song ... I can hear in its DNA elements of Better Be Home Soon, She Goes On, Walking on the Spot, Nobody Wants To.
Cry Baby Cry gets my vote. The acoustic guitar, the vocal phrasings, the melodic lines coupled with the weird minor and 7th chords, even the harmonium, all sound like elements of a Crowded House song ... I can hear in its DNA elements of Better Be Home Soon, She Goes On, Walking on the Spot, Nobody Wants To.
The line "you're not the girl you think you are" isn't a million miles away from "and any time you feel the pain" in Hey Jude. Not note for note and note phrased the same way, but very similar.
As for Watney's little turn around: this needs more thought but I think Sexy Sadie has a "later Neil" feel about it.
As for Watney's little turn around: this needs more thought but I think Sexy Sadie has a "later Neil" feel about it.
"Not the girl you think you are" - definitely sounds a lot like John Lennon. But so does "Pour le Monde", which has a lot of the feel of "Imagine" to it. And "Into Temptation" sounds a lot like something Paul McCartney would have done.
"Left Hand"
You know, it's funny. I used to think of Crowded House as "Beatle-esque" until I actually thought about it.
And now? Not at all.
The problem is, there are many shades and grades of Beatle-esque. In many ways, it's a Rohrschach Test of the listener (and of the band that's being compared, I guess). There are different ways that a group or an artist can be compared to the Beatles. There's the Lennon Beatles (a comparison with the style of song that he wrote and performed). There's the subset Lennon Vocals Beatles (where you compare the sound and quality of someone's voice with John Lennon). There's the psychedelic Beatles (where held A chords on the piano fade into nothingness or sound effects drift in and out of the musical landscape like so many leaves down the street drain, or backwards tape loops compete with snippets of musical fragments or a sitar plucks an odd musical scale while swirling phased effects zip from left ear to right). There's the McCartney Beatles (the dance hall vaudvillian or the wistful romanticist or the rather keening vocals that he was famous for). There's the '65 era Beatles where they played wooden music and told tales of post-adolescent love affairs and made certain chords that remain with us as rock and roll icons (such as the famous Fadd9 add McCartney's high D add George Martin's Steinway D2-G2-D3 opening of A Hard Day's Night), There's the way the Beatles put together Abbey Road, The white Album or Sgt. Pepper's. there's the chimey George Harrison or the mystic George Harrison or the Carl Perkins wannabe George Harrison and the goofy but sincere Ringo. There's the odd anti-syncopated beat that only Ringo could make when propelling a song, the odd miss-hit string that Harrison might deliver, that characteristic high lopey sound on bass that McCartney made famous.
Well, you get the idea.
While there are whispers (and moans) of Beatles, I really find it hard to call anything that CH or Neil Finn has done "Beatle-esque" (yeah, "Not the Girl..." might come the closest) . I'm not surprised that Neil seems just a shade puzzled when people talk about him being "Beatle-esque". He always seems to come off as not wanting to dismiss the idea completely, but I think that, as a musician, he has a hard time seeing anything past the obvious idea that most modern rock/pop acts owe more than a little of their gestalt to the Beatles.
Wow, all of that seems rather ponderous, and for that, I apologize.
Now, if you want to hear some "Beatle-esque" stuff that folds together some of the above concepts, you might try the first album from Future Clouds and Radar (Robert Harrison - ex. Cotton Mather). It's obvious that he sounds a lot like John Lennon, but the double album concept owes more than a small debt to The White Album and some of the songs sound, to my ears, quite "Beatle-esque". Of course, he's rather tired of the comparisons as well, but sorry Jocko, they are warranted. And my ears might be quite whack. That's always a possibility, especially since I haven't listened seriously to the Beatles in ages.
And now? Not at all.
The problem is, there are many shades and grades of Beatle-esque. In many ways, it's a Rohrschach Test of the listener (and of the band that's being compared, I guess). There are different ways that a group or an artist can be compared to the Beatles. There's the Lennon Beatles (a comparison with the style of song that he wrote and performed). There's the subset Lennon Vocals Beatles (where you compare the sound and quality of someone's voice with John Lennon). There's the psychedelic Beatles (where held A chords on the piano fade into nothingness or sound effects drift in and out of the musical landscape like so many leaves down the street drain, or backwards tape loops compete with snippets of musical fragments or a sitar plucks an odd musical scale while swirling phased effects zip from left ear to right). There's the McCartney Beatles (the dance hall vaudvillian or the wistful romanticist or the rather keening vocals that he was famous for). There's the '65 era Beatles where they played wooden music and told tales of post-adolescent love affairs and made certain chords that remain with us as rock and roll icons (such as the famous Fadd9 add McCartney's high D add George Martin's Steinway D2-G2-D3 opening of A Hard Day's Night), There's the way the Beatles put together Abbey Road, The white Album or Sgt. Pepper's. there's the chimey George Harrison or the mystic George Harrison or the Carl Perkins wannabe George Harrison and the goofy but sincere Ringo. There's the odd anti-syncopated beat that only Ringo could make when propelling a song, the odd miss-hit string
Well, you get the idea.
While there are whispers (and moans) of Beatles, I really find it hard to call anything that CH or Neil Finn has done "Beatle-esque" (yeah, "Not the Girl..." might come the closest) . I'm not surprised that Neil seems just a shade puzzled when people talk about him being "Beatle-esque". He always seems to come off as not wanting to dismiss the idea completely, but I think that, as a musician, he has a hard time seeing anything past the obvious idea that most modern rock/pop acts owe more than a little of their gestalt to the Beatles.
Wow, all of that seems rather ponderous, and for that, I apologize.
Now, if you want to hear some "Beatle-esque" stuff that folds together some of the above concepts, you might try the first album from Future Clouds and Radar (Robert Harrison - ex. Cotton Mather). It's obvious that he sounds a lot like John Lennon, but the double album concept owes more than a small debt to The White Album and some of the songs sound, to my ears, quite "Beatle-esque". Of course, he's rather tired of the comparisons as well, but sorry Jocko, they are warranted. And my ears might be quite whack. That's always a possibility, especially since I haven't listened seriously to the Beatles in ages.
"Not the girl you think you are" does remind me of the Beatles and John Lennon sound, but not of any song of theirs in particular.
However, having said that I agree with your point Dave that the Beatles music was varied and often experimental. Therefore what sound is Beatles and what part of them can anyone or group be compared to?
I think Neil simply stands alone as himself as a great talent who is blessed with the ability to write great music, does fantastic arrangements and unusual and 'out of the square' lyrics. IMO Neil's ability to write words to songs is under appreciated. He doesn't necessarily follow the usual pattern of making things fully rhyme and doesn't necessarily have a timed pattern or sometimes in fact make total sense. But it works!!! Brilliant!!
I think he is one of the great songwriters of the world and the most correct analogy with the Beatles is that they could churn out brilliant song after song on any subject and so can he.
However, having said that I agree with your point Dave that the Beatles music was varied and often experimental. Therefore what sound is Beatles and what part of them can anyone or group be compared to?
I think Neil simply stands alone as himself as a great talent who is blessed with the ability to write great music, does fantastic arrangements and unusual and 'out of the square' lyrics. IMO Neil's ability to write words to songs is under appreciated. He doesn't necessarily follow the usual pattern of making things fully rhyme and doesn't necessarily have a timed pattern or sometimes in fact make total sense. But it works!!! Brilliant!!
I think he is one of the great songwriters of the world and the most correct analogy with the Beatles is that they could churn out brilliant song after song on any subject and so can he.
Been on a Beatles kick this last week... my love and interest waxes and wanes. Anyhow, "Not the Girl" is one of my least liked Ch songs, so I keep wondering if someone can find a Beatles-que song to compare that I actually like.
If I were to suggest one, off the top of my head I would go with "Now We're Getting Somewhere" as far as a straight ahead story told simply and well, like early period Beatles.
If I were to suggest one, off the top of my head I would go with "Now We're Getting Somewhere" as far as a straight ahead story told simply and well, like early period Beatles.
"Now We're Getting Somewhere" has ALWAYS reminded me of a combination of George's "Everybody's Tryin to be my Baby" and Ringo's "Honey Don't"
I just go straight to those songs in my head whenever I hear NWGS, so Carl Perkin-ish/George Harrisongs-ish.
Perhaps not lyrically or even musically, but the same swing
I just go straight to those songs in my head whenever I hear NWGS, so Carl Perkin-ish/George Harrisongs-ish.
Perhaps not lyrically or even musically, but the same swing
quote:Originally posted by Martine:
"Now We're Getting Somewhere" has ALWAYS reminded me of a combination of George's "Everybody's Tryin to be my Baby" and Ringo's "Honey Don't"
I just go straight to those songs in my head whenever I hear NWGS, so Carl Perkin-ish/George Harrisongs-ish.
Perhaps not lyrically or even musically, but the same swing
Most of that probably has to do with that guitar lick he plays going into the chorus. I've always thought that it was very Beatles For Sale/Beatles '65.
I was listening to a live version of See My Friends from Ray Davies "Storyteller" and was surprised to find the raga guitar part reminding me of some of Neil's live improvs for some reason (which seems weird to me). And he's been sounding awfully Neil Young-ish when it comes to solos at times recently.
Ok since we are all on the bandwagon. I'd have to admit that "Don't dream it's over" beginning reminds me of George Harrison's "while my guitar gently weeps." beginning, but it doesn't remind of it for long and digresses quite quickly.
And "Instinct" reminds me of INIXS.
Come to think of it, the words at the beginning of "Love you till the day I die" and the entire "There goes God" reminds me of .... some bible bashers I ran into once.. Does that count?
<==== And while I'm here on my soapbox, I'd just like to mention that I don't think a cute little ducky like me should be referred to as a "pitted rino". No, does not fit my cutie persona. No, really.
And "Instinct" reminds me of INIXS.
Come to think of it, the words at the beginning of "Love you till the day I die" and the entire "There goes God" reminds me of .... some bible bashers I ran into once.. Does that count?
<==== And while I'm here on my soapbox, I'd just like to mention that I don't think a cute little ducky like me should be referred to as a "pitted rino". No, does not fit my cutie persona. No, really.
quote:Originally posted by Fluffee Duckee
the words at the beginning of "Love you till the day I die" and the entire "There goes God" reminds me of .... some bible bashers I ran into once
- not unless it was Reverend Lennon and Cardinal McCartney.
Pineapple Head V (god there I go again when 'and' would do) Norwegian Wood.
Apologies if this was suggested earlier but I haven't got time to wade through 4 pages - supposed to be doing online banking but got sidetracked. TMI.
quote:Originally posted by BART:
Pineapple Head V (god there I go again when 'and' would do) Norwegian Wood.
Apologies if this was suggested earlier but I haven't got time to wade through 4 pages - supposed to be doing online banking but got sidetracked. TMI.
I did suggest this back on page 2, but it's really nice to have somebody agree with me at last!
Have always thought
Frost on the window pane
The sound of pouring rain
all makes me glad of you
Is the most beatles few sounding seconds there is.
Frost on the window pane
The sound of pouring rain
all makes me glad of you
Is the most beatles few sounding seconds there is.
I have always found the white album similar to many Finn songs. Now I've come up with an (unfinished) album with tracks by the Finns that closely match the white album song of the respective position. Beatles track names are in initials. This is partly inspired by Frenz comments.
Key
M: Similar melody
E: Simlar effects or instrumention
L: Similar lyrics
F: Similar feel
1. Shark Attack (BITUSSR) (F,L)
2. Falling Dove (DP) (F,M,E)
3. Souvenir (GO) (L)
4. Fraction Too Much Fiction (OLDOLD) (F)
5. Mental Notes (WHP) (F,E,L)
6. ? (TCSOBB)
7. Fingers of Love (WMGGW) (F,L,E)
8. Faster Than Light (HIAWG) (L)
9. My Mistake (MMD) (F,M,E)
10. ? (IST)
11. Time Immemorial (BB) (F,L)
12. ? (P)
13. ? (RR)
14. Evelyn (DPMB) (F,M,E)
15. Left Hand (WDWDIOTR) (F,M,E)
16. Lester (IW) (F,E)
17. A Sigh (F,L)
18. Weather With You (B) (F)
19. ? (MNS)
20. ? (EGSTHEMAMM)
21. ? (SS) If I'd included Finn friends, I would definitely pick Karma Police
22. Abu Dhabi (HS) (F,L,E,M)
23. Addicted (LLL) (E,F)
24. Chocolate Cake (R1) (L)
25. Late Last Night (HP) (F)
26. Dr. Livingstone (ST) (F,E)
27. Italian Plastic (CBC) (E)
28. Under The Wheel (R9) (F)
29. I Found It (GN) (F)
Key
M: Similar melody
E: Simlar effects or instrumention
L: Similar lyrics
F: Similar feel
1. Shark Attack (BITUSSR) (F,L)
2. Falling Dove (DP) (F,M,E)
3. Souvenir (GO) (L)
4. Fraction Too Much Fiction (OLDOLD) (F)
5. Mental Notes (WHP) (F,E,L)
6. ? (TCSOBB)
7. Fingers of Love (WMGGW) (F,L,E)
8. Faster Than Light (HIAWG) (L)
9. My Mistake (MMD) (F,M,E)
10. ? (IST)
11. Time Immemorial (BB) (F,L)
12. ? (P)
13. ? (RR)
14. Evelyn (DPMB) (F,M,E)
15. Left Hand (WDWDIOTR) (F,M,E)
16. Lester (IW) (F,E)
17. A Sigh (F,L)
18. Weather With You (B) (F)
19. ? (MNS)
20. ? (EGSTHEMAMM)
21. ? (SS) If I'd included Finn friends, I would definitely pick Karma Police
22. Abu Dhabi (HS) (F,L,E,M)
23. Addicted (LLL) (E,F)
24. Chocolate Cake (R1) (L)
25. Late Last Night (HP) (F)
26. Dr. Livingstone (ST) (F,E)
27. Italian Plastic (CBC) (E)
28. Under The Wheel (R9) (F)
29. I Found It (GN) (F)
I'd nominate "Everything Is Good For You" especially the stanza:
Bring back your head
Here comes trouble
To turn me and be well
Cover your heart
Bring back your head
Here comes trouble
To turn me and be well
Cover your heart
I always think It's only Natural would fit nicely on Rubber Soul.
quote:Originally posted by stuartjb:
I always think It's only Natural would fit nicely on Rubber Soul.
I agree that the harmonies sound like something from Rubber Soul. But don't you think the bassline is too prominent for a Rubber Soul track? It sounds more like what Paul McC. was doing around the time of Revolver, playing melodic octave figures that intertwine with George's (or John's) arpeggio guitar notes in songs like Rain or And Your Bird Can Sing ... but that's just pedantic old me!
Here's an outlier for a Beatles sound-alike: Heaven That I'm Making. With its sitar, acoustic guitar, and Fender Rhodes organ-sounding hurdy gurdy, it almost sounds like a first cousin-once-removed of a lost Rubber Soul track.
George Harrison always thought that Rubber Soul and Revolver were part 1 and 2 of the same album ! so....
For me It's only Natural has a more lighter acousticy feel more akin to Rubber Soul than Revolver - but I get the revolver comparisons too.
I've used "akin" twice today !
For me It's only Natural has a more lighter acousticy feel more akin to Rubber Soul than Revolver - but I get the revolver comparisons too.
I've used "akin" twice today !
Never realy liked the comparison as I think CH songs are better, but must admit there is a teeny tiny bit of 'Imagine' in 'Pour le Monde'Anyone else hear that?
Only in the sound of the piano, and maybe how Neil's voice is processed. Not the song itself.quote:Originally posted by thepearls42:
Never realy liked the comparison as I think CH songs are better, but must admit there is a teeny tiny bit of 'Imagine' in 'Pour le Monde'Anyone else hear that?
I reckon Pour Le Monde sounds very "Lennonesque".
In fact,Neil often does.
In fact,Neil often does.
quote:Originally posted by Beajai:quote:Originally posted by BART:
Pineapple Head V (god there I go again when 'and' would do) Norwegian Wood.
Apologies if this was suggested earlier but I haven't got time to wade through 4 pages - supposed to be doing online banking but got sidetracked. TMI.
I did suggest this back on page 2, but it's really nice to have somebody agree with me at last!
I've thought that as well since the very first time I heard Pineapple Head.
quote:Originally posted by adidasman:
A big part of what makes "Not the Girl..." sound Beatlesque has nothing to do with the song - it's the double-tracked vocal. The Beatles were very fond of that technique, especially John, so I think many of us equate that vocal sound with the Fab Four. That's not to say that the song doesn't have Beatles elements - virtually all pop music does - but that's why this particular track sounds more overt than others.
Sorry, but I think it's got a lot to do with the chord structure,melody and harmonies !
My wife once heard ntgytya on a crowdies Mix tape I had, and wanted to know why I had put a Beatles song on a crowded house tape.for me that says it all really .help/or rubber soul era for me .
The most Beatlesque song is obviously "Something" (So Strong....)
*rim shot*
Yes, I went for the joke, but how could I not? Especially when shortly after George Harrison's death Neil performed their "Something" after a fan called out for it. (The fan could have been asking for SSS, but the world will never know for sure.)
*rim shot*
Yes, I went for the joke, but how could I not? Especially when shortly after George Harrison's death Neil performed their "Something" after a fan called out for it. (The fan could have been asking for SSS, but the world will never know for sure.)