Mark Hart

Beatlebum posted:

Anyhow, with all the talk about Mark Hart being fired, it’s also true that Matt Sherrod has been fired.
Unofficially their replacements are:

Liam Finn - guitars  (possible keyboards as well)
Elroy Finn - drums  (possible guitars as well)
Mitchell Froom - keyboards
Sharon Finn - bass (just joking, lookout Nick)

If its true, if its not some joke from Beatlebum (mostly because Sharon Finn on drumms? what about Nick, Neil confirmed he will be a part of new CH?) or just deliberately left missrumour, its definitely not Crowded House... its Neil Finn & Family. Or Neil Finn & Momos & Sons

Product of that collaboration we know from Neil & Liams Lightsleeper, Meet me in the Air.. Altough I like this song and consider it one of the best from particular album, its very far from anything Crowded House ever did.. TOE and Intriguer with AfterGlow included..hope we wont see that scenario under the name of Crowded House...

As sad as I am to hear of Mark’s departure, I can’t help but speculate. 

Neil toured Australia with Nick a couple years ago and the rest of the band was Finn Scholes, Dan Kelly, and Elroy. That was a really strong lineup and I wouldn’t mind seeing it’s return, though I’d prefer it if Matt stayed on as drummer.

Also, Mark should start a band with Lindsey Buckingham...

Beatlebum posted:

Hi folks,

I’m new here and joined so I could post some pertinent information about the new Crowded House line-up. I used to be involved with them in a professional manner many years ago and still maintain contact with some of the band & crew. This is how I found out.
Anyhow, with all the talk about Mark Hart being fired, it’s also true that Matt Sherrod has been fired.
Unofficially their replacements are:

Liam Finn - guitars  (possible keyboards as well)
Elroy Finn - drums  (possible guitars as well)
Mitchell Froom - keyboards
Sharon Finn - bass (just joking, lookout Nick)

So there we have it, the new Crowded House members. It will be a pretty good band and Neil Finn usually knows what he is doing. I’m sure that an official announcement will be made as soon as the time is right.
I’m so sorry for Mark & Matt. They are awesome folks and very good musicians. Crowded House won’t be the same without them.

Thank you for reading,
Beatlebum

Hi Lindsey 🙄😏

Well. This all has me feeling fairly disgusted. I’m not really a Liam fan, but more importantly, in one fell swoop the concept of Crowded House has become fairly meaningless.

I’ve always defended Time on Earth, because although it didn’t begin life as a CH album, that aspect seemed to develop organically and in good spirit and remembrance of Paul. Only four tracks fully featured the band, but Mark did some overdubs and it all *felt* like Crowded House to me, both the songwriting style and the musical vibe. And they did the work of casting a wide net to find a drummer who was not only excellent but complemented the band’s chemistry.

This is different. TOE arose from a time when CH technically no longer existed in any form, so I feel they had much more leeway in how the name was resurrected. But now...the new lineup was well established with two albums and tours, the anniversary show and the ARIA award. It’s an entirely different prospect to f*** with the formula at this point. And Neil is doing that in the worst way possible, in my view.

I’ve been chuckling at spurned Fleetwood Mac fans who say “It’s not FM without Lindsey Buckingham.” Well, I’m feeling something similar right now. I don’t know what this band is. It’s *kind of* Crowded House with Neil and Nick involved, but the inclusion of his sons kind of negates a lot of potential they might have as a band. It’s not a new dynamic or a well-curated audition process. Its just his sons, who are quite good musicians, but there’s zero interest or excitement there for me. Don’t get me started on Conan Mockasin...I’ve never given a **** about his music, frankly. I expect competent performances with zero of the CH magic that made the band special to me. For the first time in the 25 years I’ve followed them and Neil Finn, I’m just not able to keep my faith in him. Just an all around disappointing state of affairs. It feels like Crowded House as we knew them — even considering previous personnel shuffling — is well and truly gone, and that’s a sad thing.

Are we sure that this is true? 

The new line-up is strongly rumoured, but no official announcement.

slowpogo posted:

Well. This all has me feeling fairly disgusted. I’m not really a Liam fan, but more importantly, in one fell swoop the concept of Crowded House has become fairly meaningless.

I’ve always defended Time on Earth, because although it didn’t begin life as a CH album, that aspect seemed to develop organically and in good spirit and remembrance of Paul. Only four tracks fully featured the band, but Mark did some overdubs and it all *felt* like Crowded House to me, both the songwriting style and the musical vibe. And they did the work of casting a wide net to find a drummer who was not only excellent but complemented the band’s chemistry.

This is different. TOE arose from a time when CH technically no longer existed in any form, so I feel they had much more leeway in how the name was resurrected. But now...the new lineup was well established with two albums and tours, the anniversary show and the ARIA award. It’s an entirely different prospect to f*** with the formula at this point. And Neil is doing that in the worst way possible, in my view.

I’ve been chuckling at spurned Fleetwood Mac fans who say “It’s not FM without Lindsey Buckingham.” Well, I’m feeling something similar right now. I don’t know what this band is. It’s *kind of* Crowded House with Neil and Nick involved, but the inclusion of his sons kind of negates a lot of potential they might have as a band. It’s not a new dynamic or a well-curated audition process. Its just his sons, who are quite good musicians, but there’s zero interest or excitement there for me. Don’t get me started on Conan Mockasin...I’ve never given a **** about his music, frankly. I expect competent performances with zero of the CH magic that made the band special to me. For the first time in the 25 years I’ve followed them and Neil Finn, I’m just not able to keep my faith in him. Just an all around disappointing state of affairs. It feels like Crowded House as we knew them — even considering previous personnel shuffling — is well and truly gone, and that’s a sad thing.

Spot on . This sums it up perfectly for me . One of the best posts I’ve read on here . Thank you .

I think this Beatlebum is Neil Finn stoking the fire....it’s got to be. The way it’s worded looks too fake. 

In other words.....it is Neil joking around. My feeling anyway. 

We all know we will have to wait for official info and then judge the actual musical outcome on stage, an album, or whatever else will come.

It's just hard not to get all angry and pessimistic, because it matters to us. 

If there are people who try to deliberately cause a stir by claiming that our "worst case" scenarios are in fact true... We'll, that's a bit pathetic. It shouldn't drive us apart. 

The behaviour of some of the FM fans serves as a strong reminder for me (personally) to not go all ape-s**t before even having seen the outcome.

(Also: If we don't fully trust Neil due to some unpopular decisions in recent years, maybe we can trust Nick?) 

slowpogo posted:

Well. This all has me feeling fairly disgusted. I’m not really a Liam fan, but more importantly, in one fell swoop the concept of Crowded House has become fairly meaningless.

I’ve always defended Time on Earth, because although it didn’t begin life as a CH album, that aspect seemed to develop organically and in good spirit and remembrance of Paul. Only four tracks fully featured the band, but Mark did some overdubs and it all *felt* like Crowded House to me, both the songwriting style and the musical vibe. And they did the work of casting a wide net to find a drummer who was not only excellent but complemented the band’s chemistry.

This is different. TOE arose from a time when CH technically no longer existed in any form, so I feel they had much more leeway in how the name was resurrected. But now...the new lineup was well established with two albums and tours, the anniversary show and the ARIA award. It’s an entirely different prospect to f*** with the formula at this point. And Neil is doing that in the worst way possible, in my view.

I’ve been chuckling at spurned Fleetwood Mac fans who say “It’s not FM without Lindsey Buckingham.” Well, I’m feeling something similar right now. I don’t know what this band is. It’s *kind of* Crowded House with Neil and Nick involved, but the inclusion of his sons kind of negates a lot of potential they might have as a band. It’s not a new dynamic or a well-curated audition process. Its just his sons, who are quite good musicians, but there’s zero interest or excitement there for me. Don’t get me started on Conan Mockasin...I’ve never given a **** about his music, frankly. I expect competent performances with zero of the CH magic that made the band special to me. For the first time in the 25 years I’ve followed them and Neil Finn, I’m just not able to keep my faith in him. Just an all around disappointing state of affairs. It feels like Crowded House as we knew them — even considering previous personnel shuffling — is well and truly gone, and that’s a sad thing.

While I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, at this point in time, the only information we have is from someone named “beatlebum” on a message board, who joined this community all of 3 days ago and has made exactly one post here.

brownie posted:

slowpogo posted:

Well. This all has me feeling fairly disgusted. I’m not really a Liam fan, but more importantly, in one fell swoop the concept of Crowded House has become fairly meaningless.

I’ve always defended Time on Earth, because although it didn’t begin life as a CH album, that aspect seemed to develop organically and in good spirit and remembrance of Paul. Only four tracks fully featured the band, but Mark did some overdubs and it all *felt* like Crowded House to me, both the songwriting style and the musical vibe. And they did the work of casting a wide net to find a drummer who was not only excellent but complemented the band’s chemistry.

This is different. TOE arose from a time when CH technically no longer existed in any form, so I feel they had much more leeway in how the name was resurrected. But now...the new lineup was well established with two albums and tours, the anniversary show and the ARIA award. It’s an entirely different prospect to f*** with the formula at this point. And Neil is doing that in the worst way possible, in my view.

I’ve been chuckling at spurned Fleetwood Mac fans who say “It’s not FM without Lindsey Buckingham.” Well, I’m feeling something similar right now. I don’t know what this band is. It’s *kind of* Crowded House with Neil and Nick involved, but the inclusion of his sons kind of negates a lot of potential they might have as a band. It’s not a new dynamic or a well-curated audition process. Its just his sons, who are quite good musicians, but there’s zero interest or excitement there for me. Don’t get me started on Conan Mockasin...I’ve never given a **** about his music, frankly. I expect competent performances with zero of the CH magic that made the band special to me. For the first time in the 25 years I’ve followed them and Neil Finn, I’m just not able to keep my faith in him. Just an all around disappointing state of affairs. It feels like Crowded House as we knew them — even considering previous personnel shuffling — is well and truly gone, and that’s a sad thing.

While I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, at this point in time, the only information we have is from someone named “beatlebum” on a message board, who joined this community all of 3 days ago and has made exactly one post here.

I also think its someones joke... good or bad, its on everyone to judge for himself... 

Mica posted:

We all know we will have to wait for official info and then judge the actual musical outcome on stage, an album, or whatever else will come.

It's just hard not to get all angry and pessimistic, because it matters to us. 

If there are people who try to deliberately cause a stir by claiming that our "worst case" scenarios are in fact true... We'll, that's a bit pathetic. It shouldn't drive us apart. 

The behaviour of some of the FM fans serves as a strong reminder for me (personally) to not go all ape-s**t before even having seen the outcome.

(Also: If we don't fully trust Neil due to some unpopular decisions in recent years, maybe we can trust Nick?) 

Until @Beatlebum provides convincing evidence to the contrary, I will treat him/her with utmost suspicion.

My guess would be that this person is one of a small clique of Lindsey Buckingham obsessives.

Anyone who's had the misfortune of encountering these people on social media will know that they are bat**** crazy. 

I wouldn't put anything past those weirdos. They are planning to ambush Neil on Fangradio with questions about FM and Buckingham's firing.  Stirring up trouble elsewhere would be a typical tactic they'd employ. Don't give them the satisfaction.  

Weightless Astronaut posted:

 

I wouldn't put anything past those weirdos. They are planning to ambush Neil on Fangradio with questions about FM and Buckingham's firing.   

Seriously?  Idiots.  They are barking up the wrong tree.  While I am no fan of the new Fleetwood Mac, and am firmly in the camp of “Lindsey got a raw deal,” I don’t think Neil had anything to do with firing Lindsey, and if does know anything, he’s surely not going to spill it all to some Skype callers.

I am so happy that my foray into social media never evolved beyond message boards like this.  

I realize my reaction is based on a questionable source, but even so, it’s all too believable. I hope I’m wrong and Neil isn’t just collapsing into the easy, boring, un-artistic arms of nepotism. But that’s kind of what he’s been doing for years, in my opinion.

slowpogo posted:

I realize my reaction is based on a questionable source, but even so, it’s all too believable.

It is believable, that's the problem. We've come up with these horror scenarios ourselves, and for a reason, after all :-)

slowpogo posted:

I hope I’m wrong and Neil isn’t just collapsing into the easy, boring, un-artistic arms of nepotism. 

Now THAT is a beautiful way of putting it. 

When this person says: "So there we have it, the new Crowded House members. It will be a pretty good band and Neil Finn usually knows what he is doing. "  But before that "unofficial".  I don't know....either Neil or NIck are playing with us....having some fun.  Maybe intentionally creating a Beatles type of mystery to things.  Also, I have a feeling Neil would do this after possibly reading things about his family members and some people not in favor of being part of Crowded House.  I don't think Neil would seriously have a family member as part of this group.  I also don't think he would let go of Matt.  If he did let go of Mark, there must be a solid reason....but even that, I'm suspicious of now.  They might all be in on this joke.  

renzo posted:

When this person says: "So there we have it, the new Crowded House members. It will be a pretty good band and Neil Finn usually knows what he is doing. "  But before that "unofficial".  I don't know....either Neil or NIck are playing with us....having some fun.  Maybe intentionally creating a Beatles type of mystery to things.  Also, I have a feeling Neil would do this after possibly reading things about his family members and some people not in favor of being part of Crowded House.  I don't think Neil would seriously have a family member as part of this group.  I also don't think he would let go of Matt.  If he did let go of Mark, there must be a solid reason....but even that, I'm suspicious of now.  They might all be in on this joke.  

Neil has confirmed the situation with Mark, so I don't think there's any doubt about that aspect.  

As for Liam joining CH, I don't think that would be so terrible. He's is great at harmonising with Neil and he's a talented musician.

I'd rather Mark was still in the band because he's part of that link back to CH's most successful period, but if Liam is to be part of the band, I do think he has something to offer.  And it's Neil's band, so he can do what he likes. 

brownie posted:

Weightless Astronaut posted:

 

I wouldn't put anything past those weirdos. They are planning to ambush Neil on Fangradio with questions about FM and Buckingham's firing.   

Seriously?  Idiots.  They are barking up the wrong tree.  While I am no fan of the new Fleetwood Mac, and am firmly in the camp of “Lindsey got a raw deal,” I don’t think Neil had anything to do with firing Lindsey, and if does know anything, he’s surely not going to spill it all to some Skype callers.

I am so happy that my foray into social media never evolved beyond message boards like this.  

 

 

We are talking about a small group of extremely juvenile LB fans who declare themselves to have been avid Fleetwood Mac fans, but who now hate all but Buckingham.  They are quite extreme and LB is their deity.  

For the past 18 months these fools have posted an endless stream of drivel about LB's ousting on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.  They attack anyone who expresses a positive opinion about the FM personnel or the post-LB live performances.  By association, Neil is considered fair game.   It's usual to come across all kinds of pathetic people on social media, but this bunch take some beating!

Weightless Astronaut posted:

brownie posted:

Weightless Astronaut posted:

 

I wouldn't put anything past those weirdos. They are planning to ambush Neil on Fangradio with questions about FM and Buckingham's firing.   

Seriously?  Idiots.  They are barking up the wrong tree.  While I am no fan of the new Fleetwood Mac, and am firmly in the camp of “Lindsey got a raw deal,” I don’t think Neil had anything to do with firing Lindsey, and if does know anything, he’s surely not going to spill it all to some Skype callers.

I am so happy that my foray into social media never evolved beyond message boards like this.  

 

 

We are talking about a small group of extremely juvenile LB fans who declare themselves to have been avid Fleetwood Mac fans, but who now hate all but Buckingham.  They are quite extreme and LB is their deity.  

 

For the past 18 months these fools have posted an endless stream of drivel about LB's ousting on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.  They attack anyone who expresses a positive opinion about the FM personnel or the post-LB live performances.  By association, Neil is considered fair game.   It's usual to come across all kinds of pathetic people on social media, but this bunch take some beating!

This is getting further away from our subject (Mark Hart!), but this makes me smile.  I am a Fleetwood Mac fan, too, but it cracks me up to see Lindsey fans being characterized as crazies.  I'm sure there are some of them who fit that description, but in the 30-plus years I've been an FM fan, I've seen exponentially more Stevie Nicks crazies than I've seen Lindsey ones.  Just sayin'.

I mean, the woman (with support from Mick) destroyed one of the greatest bands in rock 'n' roll history, so I think fans have a right to be upset.

Just like fans have a right to be upset that Mark is no longer part of Crowded House.  But, really, even that comparison is a stretch, as much as I like and respect Mark and his contributions to CH.  Really, since Lindsey was both the band's producer and a major contributor to the songwriting, singing, and musicianship of the group, a better comparison would be like The Beatles kicking out George Harrison.  Hmm.  Even that one doesn't feel right.  Maybe like the Enz kicking out Neil?  Again, it's not a great comparison because Neil wasn't the band's sonic architect.

Bottom line, regardless of how they feel about the circumstances of Buckingham's dismissal (anyone who has read anything about the band's history knows he can be a terror in the studio every bit as much as Nicks can be a prima donna), blaming Neil for it is just silly.  I hope better thoughts prevail and those folks accept that Neil had nothing to do with Lindsey's firing.

On the other hand, looking at the CH situation, it's kinda sad to think that Neil is the Stevie Nicks to Mark's Lindsey.

And the idea that it's truly Neil's band is a hard one.  I mean, did anyone really ever doubt Neil's dominion over the band, going all the way back to Paul's "two dorks and a dictator" description of CH?

You know...I guess I did.  And that was my mistake.  I thought it was a band, but it was less so in Neil's mind.  Maybe things changed after Paul left, but maybe not.  Perhaps it was always Neil and whoever was with him at the time.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that they made some of the best music of the rock era.  And maybe they're not finished yet.

matt

mattl posted:

And the idea that it's truly Neil's band is a hard one.  I mean, did anyone really ever doubt Neil's dominion over the band, going all the way back to Paul's "two dorks and a dictator" description of CH?

Makes me think of a line in the Something So Strong book about the nature of Paul and Nick's contributions around the time Paul quit - what Paul was mainly doing on the road was increasing the value of Neil's publishing catalog, rather than earning anything much for himself. 

It seems reasonable to consider, in all of this, that Neil's work with CH from '07-'16 gave the impression of him having a sentimental attachment to the band that he really doesn't have. Which is fine, I suppose, it just takes us all a while to unwind from that.

Though anyone can say anything on the internet and it's to be taken with caution until an official announcement, the focus on family in the band is consistent with recent activity.

The only thing we know for sure is that Neil, Nick and Mitchell Froom are getting together and playing a gig at the Byron Bay Blues Festival under the Crowded House name and that Mark has been advised by Neil that he is not required.

While I feel really bad for Mark, I’m still excited by this prospect. Mitchell Froom played a major part in the first 3 albums and in creating the early sound of Crowded House. I’ve really been enjoying re-listening to the deluxe versions of those albums in the last week.

Crowded House was a different beast when it came to Together Alone and Mark’s contribution was huge there. Mark is an incredible multi instrumentalist, vocalist and a producer in his own right (he produced a couple of tracks on Tim Finn’s  Before and After). In some ways it feels like after Woodface both Neil and Finn dropped Mitchell Froom for their next albums (Froom also produced Tim Finn) in search of a new direction and Mark seems to be in many ways the Froom replacement at that time.

I do find it a bit weird that Froom is playing live as part of CH, as I can’t recall him ever touring with them (but he was on keyboards for the 1990 MTV show and no doubt played some other one off shows). 

I don’t know we can say Mark has been ‘fired’ - he just isn’t included for this particular reunion. The saddest part is that Paul is no longer with us, so we will never hear the original CH play again. 

If Neil is going for a reunion of an older version of CH for a gig because Nick and Mitchell both happen to be around, it is pretty harsh on Matt and Mark but Neil has never said he is starting up CH as an active ongoing band again. He has said that he and Nick and Mitchell are performing as CH at the Blues Fest and Mark won’t be. For me, that is still a valid version of Crowded House. I don’t begrudge them performing under the name. If they need somebody on Drums and guitars, I don’t have a problem if it’s Liam and Elroy. They grew up on the road with CH. I would rather them than some random brought in for a one off show to fill a gap. I would also rather them than Matt in this instance. Matt is really special too, but he is part of the fabric and identity of the post 2007 Crowded House.

The gig could be really special if they did something like play TOLM in its entirety as part of it (I doubt it would happen, but that would be special). I would prefer that they didn’t play anything post 91 or at least kept it at a minimum out of respect for Mark and in recognition that it is an early Crowded House reunion gig.

I am just trying to keep as an open mind as possible until we have more information.

I completely agree with others that a new CH album that included Liam and Elroy as a key part of the band would be disappointing. But I see Neil, Nick and Mitchell getting together to perform (with some additional help to cover for Paul’s absence) as a celebration of the early years of CH.  

Similarly I would have no problem (not that it would ever happen!) if Phil Judd, Tim Finn, Mike Chunn, Emlyn Crowther, Eddie Rayner and Noel Crombie got together and performed as Split Enz and told Neil and Nigel that they weren’t going to be required.

Mariola posted:

So obsessed with that half-talented Lindsey guy??? What the heck... From pure curiosity I was watching some videos with this guy when he was in FM, and my conclusion is that 80s chew and spit out tones and tones similar musicians.. Neil Finn is for that guy Nikola Tesla!

I don’t think there’s any point being frustrated at Neil because Lindsay was fired, but that’s no reason for calling him half-talented.

It is possible to be both happy for Neil having such a good time in FM *and* irritated with Mick and Stevie for throwing the band’s lynchpin out on his ear.

Mark tweeted that it was an honor to be in CH and he hopes we like the new band, or words to that effect. He’s been fired.

Whysus posted:,

I don’t know we can say Mark has been ‘fired’ - he just isn’t included for this particular reunion. 

 

The band has been dormant for most of the past decade. Neil has repeatedly used the ‘car in the garage’ analogy which is a gracious way of saying he’s more interested in pursuing other musical avenues. For him to now actually want to perform with Nick as Crowded House, means that there’s most likely a very reasonable and legitimate reason, which we will likely not know until early 2020.

Mitchell Froom’s involvement is the curveball in all this; don’t forget that Neil and Nick performed with Eddy Rayner and I believe Joey Waronker on drums, at some point prior to the 2007 official reunion.

I’ve already said this; I don’t think this is a one-off performance at Bluesfest next year. There has to be more to this and Mark’s departure cannot be resolved with Liam and Elroy’s inclusion in the band. I think it will be Mike Campbell and maybe someone else, who will complete the ‘new lineup’. 

I personally hope it’s not Mick Fleetwood on drums; I’ll take Liam or Elroy any day over the 70 year old version of MF (sorry).

If Neil needs a guitarist, drummer, scissor player.... 👨‍🎤

My guess is that Neil wants to do a reverse of his current situation and have some of Fleetwood Mac in his band and play his songs.  He could easily do that without calling it Crowded House.  

Reading through everyone's reactions, they all seem valid and understandable. I think for me the main point is we've all made a deeply emotional connection to Crowded House; it's dynamics, the love, the losses. There is an attachment to that name, it does mean something to all of us. Something that is not Neil Finn, or Finn Brothers, of Pajama Club, or any other moniker. 

We've all gone along for the ride, through its mutations and additions, some natural, some tragic. This latest move, however, seems like something has finally concluded for me. Crowded House are no more. And I can accept that. It's just not possible, however, in my heart to ever think of any other line-up being Crowded House. There has to be some essence of history to it, something indescribable but you just know, that's Crowded House.

If your dad remarries and says you have to call this women Mum now, that doesn't make her your mum. Names matter. 

For me, Crowded House are the best band ever and the Sydney 2016 gigs were a spiritual experience, and I don't say that lightly. But any other reformation will not be Crowded House in my heart. And every one's heart is different. And that's okay.

Disappointed at the news that Mark is out. I’m open to seeing who Neil is planning to bring into the band with three exceptions: his wife and sons. If they are going to be part of the new iteration of Crowded House, I will be tuning out completely.

Here's an odd thing: I was just - just - beginning to accept the notion that a band on stage featuring Neil, Nick, Mitchell and others might just be a valid version of CH when along comes some speculation - I'll call it that for now - that the "others" might in fact be the Finn family. And suddenly I can find no shred of acceptance that such a line-up would be CH. Any such line-up would be the Finn family with Nick. I think Perfectchord has hit the nail with the old mallet:

If you listen to the first thirty minutes of the latest instalment of Fangradio, it's perfectly apparent why Crowded House isn't a band that can merely have its members replaced on a whim. That's the sort of magic that nobody can bring to an audition. 

I'll finalise my thoughts of this decision by just telling you to listen to the first thirty minutes of today's Fangradio. 

TryWhistlingThis posted:

If you listen to the first thirty minutes of the latest instalment of Fangradio, it's perfectly apparent why Crowded House isn't a band that can merely have its members replaced on a whim. That's the sort of magic that nobody can bring to an audition. 

I'll finalise my thoughts of this decision by just telling you to listen to the first thirty minutes of today's Fangradio. 

I completely agree with you. 

A new band is totally fine with me, just please give it a new name!

Crowded House has changed line-up about 5 times over the years. This is just the latest incarnation. It hasn’t hurt their musical output in the past. I’m excited about this new version.  

koala_sprint posted:

Crowded House has changed line-up about 5 times over the years. This is just the latest incarnation. It hasn’t hurt their musical output in the past. I’m excited about this new version.  

Disagree . 86-89 aside , Mark has been there for the whole journey . This in my opinion is a very bad move .

brownie posted:

TryWhistlingThis posted:

If you listen to the first thirty minutes of the latest instalment of Fangradio, it's perfectly apparent why Crowded House isn't a band that can merely have its members replaced on a whim. That's the sort of magic that nobody can bring to an audition. 

I'll finalise my thoughts of this decision by just telling you to listen to the first thirty minutes of today's Fangradio. 

I completely agree with you. 

A new band is totally fine with me, just please give it a new name!

Spot on

koala_sprint posted:

Crowded House has changed line-up about 5 times over the years. This is just the latest incarnation. It hasn’t hurt their musical output in the past. I’m excited about this new version.  

I really agree here. I'm willing to accept the change and look forward to new music from my favourite band.

stuartjb posted:

koala_sprint posted:

Crowded House has changed line-up about 5 times over the years. This is just the latest incarnation. It hasn’t hurt their musical output in the past. I’m excited about this new version.  

Disagree . 86-89 aside , Mark has been there for the whole journey . This in my opinion is a very bad move .

Tim Finn would disagree with that. 

Look at Split Enz. They barely made more than 2 consecutive albums with the same line-up. 

I find it weird that an auxiliary band member who has co-written approx 1% of Crowded House’s output can cause someone to question their love of their favourite band. 

But, each to their own. 

koala_sprint posted:

stuartjb posted:

koala_sprint posted:

Crowded House has changed line-up about 5 times over the years. This is just the latest incarnation. It hasn’t hurt their musical output in the past. I’m excited about this new version.  

Disagree . 86-89 aside , Mark has been there for the whole journey . This in my opinion is a very bad move .

Tim Finn would disagree with that. 

Look at Split Enz. They barely made more than 2 consecutive albums with the same line-up. 

I find it weird that an auxiliary band member who has co-written approx 1% of Crowded House’s output can cause someone to question their love of their favourite band. 

But, each to their own. 

What makes Mark an “ auxiliary “ member ?! I’m curious . I’m actually curious to what an auxiliary member is ! 

Looking at Together Alone , time on earth , and Intriguer album covers , Mark just looks like a member of a 4 piece band . He’s hardly a mention on the album credits if that’s what you are getting at . 

Does that make Ringo Starr or John Entwhistle or Brian Jones an “ auxiliary “ member ?!

Up until Mark Hart officially joined the band for their fourth album Together Alone, Nick Seymour's entire Crowded House songwriting credits consisted of a co-write on Woodface bonus track I'm Still Here... But I don't see anyone going around whitewashing his role in the band as an "auxiliary member"...