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Devastated he has gone . Really shoddy way to treat an integral part of the band .

If Neil’s entire musical output was Crowded House , I could understand if he no longer wanted to work with Mark . The truth however is we have Split Enz , Crowded House , The Finn Brothers , Neil Finn solo , Neil and Liam , The pyjama club , seven worlds collide , Fleetwood Mac .... have I missed any ?!

Why on Earth would you then purposely reconvene the Crowded House Brand , and then tell an integral member he won’t be involved ?! If someone could explain that I’d be grateful .

I now regret all the time I’ve wasted both here and on the Various FB pages .arguing about the validity of Crowded House , and what makes Crowded House .

This is like history repeating itself . He did the same to Nick in 1989 . That only made a bit more sense , because at least Crowded House were a full time thing then !

Imagine the scenario in 1995 . Paul - “ hey George , we’ve got this John Lennon Demo they want us to finish off to make a final recording . I hope you don’t mind , but me and Ringo have decided we are going to get Carlos Santana to play on it instead of you . Youre my dear friend and I love you - hope you understand “ ... 🙄

i could start again - you can depend on it

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I don't want to make any scathing criticisms without knowing how things will play out. All I'll say is I am a massive admirer of what Mark brought to the band. Together Alone was the high water mark of Neil's entire career and Mark's instrumentation played a critical role. I hope his importance is acknowledged and remembered by everyone.

At the Opera House three years ago, I queued up early to stake out a spot not at centre stage, but at stage right, to be as close to Mark's brilliance as possible. 

I’m just as shocked and equally disappointed with the news... Mark Hart is not only an integral part of the music, the history, and the overall brand, he’s genuinely one of the nicest guys ever. His presence added a level of maturity and musical sophistication that will be very-very hard to replicate. As a multi-instrumentalist and vocalist he will leave a gap that is virtually impossible to fill... Here’s hoping Rick Davies’ health is on the mend, and maybe Supertramp decides to do a world tour or Ringo Starr calls up and invites him back to his All-Starr band.

In terms of the future of Crowded House, the silver lining here is that the band will likely go on beyond just the single show in Sydney in April next year. Who will actually be in the band, and what (if any) new material will we get, will likely remain a mystery until after Fleetwood Mac wraps their tour later in the fall. Neil is intentionally and rightfully trying not take any attention away from the Mac; they’ve been really good to him and he owes them that much.

My guess is Matt is also out (I really hope I’m wrong, but how/why could they ditch Mark and keep Matt?).

The idea of Mitchell Froom joining them in Sydney (and maybe beyond) is exciting, and also indicates they’re covered in terms of keyboards (at least for the Bluesfest show). Still I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we see Eddy Rayner play some part in the future of the band.

In terms of who’ll be drumming, here are a few guesses (ordered in terms of probability): Elroy / Mick Fleetwood / Joey Waronker / Rob Hirst (Midnight Oil) / Glenn Kotche (Wilco) / Matt Eccles ( Betchadupa drummer who played with Tim once upon a time) / other lesser known session player / Matt Sherrod

Tim will very likely make an appearance at the show, and I think that because Mitchell Froom is in the mix, and Mark being gone, Tim will likely be involved in the future of the band. CH v3.0 is perhaps Woodface 2 or the evolution of a 3rd Finn Brothers project. Also, having Tim in the band would cover the harmonies and rhythm guitars.

If I’m wrong about Tim’s long-term role in the new band, then they’ll definitely need another guitarist, so while I’m on roll, here are my guesses of who that part might go to (again ordered from most probable to least likely): Liam / Mike Campbell / Johnny Marr / Jim Moginie / Don McGlashan / Connan Mockasin-Lawrence Arabia or any other of Liam’s cohorts.

One final conspiracy theory (why not) involves Sheryl Crow, Bic Runga, and/or Lisa Germano or someone accomplished in their own right (Johny Marr and some of the other names above fit into this category). The logic being, with the whole Fleetwood Mac thing Neil has seen firsthand how merging two legacies draws the attention of the media and ultimately sells tickets for shows that would otherwise go mostly unnoticed (except for hardcore fans).

Regardless of what/when we find out, my curiosity is firing on all cylinders and I’m very excited (similar to how I felt in 2006/2007 when we first heard about CH v2.0).

As Neil mentioned during his radio show last night, the key will be to TRUST (as we should) that he AND NICK, know what they’re doing. They know how to protect the CH legacy and wouldn’t (intentionally) do anything to betray their fans.

Exciting times ahead...

 

 

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PH, I don't know what any of this means.

What Mark Hart wrote on twitter was as follows:
"Hello All, I feel it’s time to let you all know that Neil has informed me that I will not be a part of the band’s new lineup. Being a part of Crowded House for 30 years was a pleasure and a privilege. I wish them well and hope you all enjoy the new band.
Best to you all,
Mark"

This is remarkable news. I'm somewhat in shock and feel extremely sorry for Mark. In my humble opinion (FWIW) he's been shoddily treated by Neil for a great many years. As much as Neil can often be extremely gracious and humble - and is clearly well-liked by a great many people - I think the way he's treated Mark over most of CH's career has been a real blot on his record. 

I will, of course, continue to show an interest in everything he does but he seems keen to chip away at the CH legacy with every turn. 

Repost from another thread:

I'll be honest, I still believe that is a band. I adore Mark but even without him, I'm sure that Crowded House will still be Crowded House. Just different. I think it will be a combination of the classic Crowded House sound we are all used to and the post Dizzy Heights style of Neil's music. 

I know change is scary but I think we should put more faith in the man that is a large part of the reason why we are all here together [alone]. I believe this will legitimately be Crowded House and also a new project. And that excites me.

 

What can I say?  In my opinion, Mark made what I consider to be an essential contribution to the sound of Together Alone, which is my favorite album ever.  Yes, they’re Neil’s songs, but it was the combination of Neil and Nick and Mark and Paul that brought them to life.  

I would be more accepting of this if it was Mark who decided to bow out, but his tweet seems to make it clear that it was Neil’s decision.

Perhaps the “new Crowded House” will create some great new music, but they should find another name because it ain’t Crowded House!

A band is not a brand.  Ugh at the thought.

brownie posted:

What can I say?  In my opinion, Mark made what I consider to be an essential contribution to the sound of Together Alone, which is my favorite album ever.  Yes, they’re Neil’s songs, but it was the combination of Neil and Nick and Mark and Paul that brought them to life.  

I would be more accepting of this if it was Mark who decided to bow out, but his tweet seems to make it clear that it was Neil’s decision.

Perhaps the “new Crowded House” will create some great new music, but they should find another name because it ain’t Crowded House!

A band is not a brand.  Ugh at the thought.

Absolutley spot on

stuartjb posted:
brownie posted:

What can I say?  In my opinion, Mark made what I consider to be an essential contribution to the sound of Together Alone, which is my favorite album ever.  Yes, they’re Neil’s songs, but it was the combination of Neil and Nick and Mark and Paul that brought them to life.  

I would be more accepting of this if it was Mark who decided to bow out, but his tweet seems to make it clear that it was Neil’s decision.

Perhaps the “new Crowded House” will create some great new music, but they should find another name because it ain’t Crowded House!

A band is not a brand.  Ugh at the thought.

Absolutley spot on

Also here! If I may give individual credits for best album ever, Together Alone, it would be:

1. Neil Finn

2. Producer Youth

3. Mark Hart

brownie posted

A band is not a brand.  Ugh at the thought.

I hate to break it to you, but many bands do in fact become brands once they achieve a certain status and level of commercial success. 

This doesn’t happen because I personally want it to (so don’t make it personal), it happens because the music ‘industry’ works this way, and as fans we play an integral part in making this possible. Think The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, Coldplay, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac and yes even our beloved Crowded House (just to name a few). These are brands that make millions of $’s whether it be on Royalties, Merchandise, Albums/Downloads or Concert tickets ( for those that actively tour).

So the idea that bands are simply in it for the love of music is very romantic but also naive. 

Make no mistake, Neil and Nick are (and deserve to be) looking to maximize the exposure and profit of their next project (whatever it may be).

Why shouldn’t they call it Crowded House? Why shouldn’t they be allowed to attempt to reach new audiences and achieve higher levels of commercial and critical success?

I find it funny how some fans become Uber-Purists who believe they know more and better, than the actual artists who’s  work they so passionately adore.

I get it, we’re all surprised, shocked even with this announcement. Nobody on this forum is happy to see Mark gone from the lineup, but lets wait until all the pieces fall into place and more information is disclosed, before we start questioning the integrity or motives of Neil Finn or Nick Seymour.

BRANDO BRANDT posted:
brownie posted

A band is not a brand.  Ugh at the thought.

I hate to break it to you, but many bands do in fact become brands once they achieve a certain status and level of commercial success. 

This doesn’t happen because I personally want it to (so don’t make it personal), it happens because the music ‘industry’ works this way, and as fans we play an integral part in making this possible. Think The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, Coldplay, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac and yes even our beloved Crowded House (just to name a few). These are brands that make millions of $’s whether it be on Royalties, Merchandise, Albums/Downloads or Concert tickets ( for those that actively tour).

So the idea that bands are simply in it for the love of music is very romantic but also naive. 

Make no mistake, Neil and Nick are (and deserve to be) looking to maximize the exposure and profit of their next project (whatever it may be).

Why shouldn’t they call it Crowded House? Why shouldn’t they be allowed to attempt to reach new audiences and achieve higher levels of commercial and critical success?

I find it funny how some fans become Uber-Purists who believe they know more and better, than the actual artists who’s  work they so passionately adore.

I get it, we’re all surprised, shocked even with this announcement. Nobody on this forum is happy to see Mark gone from the lineup, but lets wait until all the pieces fall into place and more information is disclosed, before we start questioning the integrity or motives of Neil Finn or Nick Seymour.

Neil and Nick can do whatever they want with their “brand”.  I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to follow along.

I’ve abandoned plenty of bands who have become brands over the many years I have been a music fan.  Fleetwood Mac among them.

I may be romantic, but I’m not naive.  And my music dollars will flow to those who are consistent with my ideals.  Trust me, there are plenty of them still around.

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If one more person tells me to “trust Neil” I’m going to throw up. Yeah, I know there is more to this than we know, but gimme a break. Like we’re not supposed to question his decisions because he’s some kind of God. Come on, people. I question everything. It would be really nice to know WHY this all happened and whether or not it’s permanent or temporary. 

All I know is that this doesn’t feel like Crowded House to ME.

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