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I'll precede this with: DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT take children under 10 to this movie. We were lucky...we decided to go see it first ourselves to determine whether the kids would enjoy it. That was a smart move that saved us a few months of night terrors.

Perhaps the best thing that can be said about Two Towers is that Gollum (the slimiest, slitheriest, most hideous and repugnant book creature ever to invade my childhood nightmares repeatedly) had me literally squirming in my seat. I guess it's to their credit I reacted just as strongly as an adult, now faced with a 40-foot wide Gollum in front of me.

Viggo Mortensen simply irritates me. He looks weaselly and greasy and gross, and when I saw lilywhite, beautiful (Liv Tyler elf name here, something-o-wyn...) kiss him, my stomach turned. She needs to listen to her father ("It's the smell!"), get on the boat with the other elves, sail away, and leave Aragorn to his new object of lust, the sword-totin' human mama over in Helms Deep.

They obviously hired the real-life neo-nazi skinhead who plays Legolas because of his uncanny ability to furrow his eyebrows at exactly the right time. Some of the dwarf's lines were completely out of character, for comedic effect. There were two places in the final battle scene where I groaned because director Peter Jackson resorted to utter cop-outs. Other places seemed stolen outright from Braveheart. That said, it was a pretty epic battle scene, worth the three-hour wait. Over in Eisengard, the thing with the water is doubtless the coolest part of the movie. Breathtaking NZ landscapes made me whimper and pine to go back and stay.

Isn't it sad that a cool young actor like Elijah Wood will forever be best remembered as the guy who spent his entire 9 hours as Frodo Baggins rolling his eyes, crying, or looking like he's about to puke. And speaking of grossly underused actors in this movie, poor Cate Blanchett! And where the heck was Bilbo?

The first movie was truer to the book, made you care about the characters in the fellowship, and had something in it for everyone. This one is a straight action-adventure movie, with little to nothing in it for women and everything in Middle Earth to appeal to 14-year-old boys (or men who want to spend three hours pretending they are).

My feminist streak was COMPLETELY OUTRAGED when the king of Rohan refused to let his daughter, one of the best fighters, fight...but insisted on sending in boys too young to wield a weapon. What about all the women hiding in the caves? How lame is it that all they could do was cry and rock back and forth??? Seriously!!! If you're that badly outnumbered, dammit, leave the children with the old men and women, and let the women fight alongside the men (I'd have been fighting!!!). They could have kicked ass in half the time, and I definitely don't remember women being as utterly weak and unempowered in Tolkein's original work.

JRR Tolkein left nothing unexplained and no plot point undone. This movie, however, had a couple of simple plot holes big enough to drive a truck through...I won't blow it, but after you've seen the swamp scenes, note how unrealistic (even in Middle Earth) and scientifically impossible some of that stuff is. Even in a magic-ridden land, there have to be some allowances for the basic laws of physics and nature.

This one may in fact walk away with Oscars for video and sound effects, art direction, make-up and costumes, possibly nominations for editing and screenplay adaptation. But I didn't see any performances this time that should result in actor/actress nominations of any kind (they were too busy introducing new characters), because a digitized Gollum might not really count as an actor. Ian McKellen was less likeable; Viggo Mortensen and Sean Astin, more annoying; and Elijah Wood...well...too bad the director forgot it was supposed to be FRODO's story.

What did you guys think, and remember this is a NON-SPOILER ONLY thread....thanks. Smiler
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I'm seeing it Saturday Heidi, already bought my ticket. I will have a review for you then.

The movie was sold out last night so lucky me, since my friend Amy had seen everything else, we got to see "Maid In Manhattan" Roll Eyes It was, passable... Man, Ralph Fiennes was so smily in that movie, I don't think I've seen a movie where he smiles that much! Anyways...

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Viggo Mortensen simply irritates me. He looks weaselly and greasy and gross
I used to think the exact same thing! I couldn't understand why people thought he was attractive or appealing. But after seeing Lord Of The Rings, I really like him now. I think he is perfect for the part. It's making me appreciate him in other things.
I've read the first book only and it took me a helluva long time to get into it and even then I think it was more looking at the words so I could turn the page and get it over with than actually taking in what I was reading. The books just never did it for me.

The films though. Wow. Peter Jackson was one of my favourite directors before LOTR and I think he's just proved why with the films. I liked the second better than the first. Thought the first was a bit slow in places (10 minutes for Sean Bean to die?? I mean please, just DIE), but this one didn't feel slow at all.

I love Aragorn/Viggo Mortensen. I can fully see why Arwen would go for him Wink Legolas though - I was convinced he was a girl in the first movie for a while. And he has VERY girly legs. More girly than my own possibly. Going back to Viggo for a second, several scenes in this made me think he'd be a good Sirius Black...

I can't comment on how it compares to the books though. I can however see that if you like the books you'll probably hate the film - I cannot stand the HP movies. Utter butchery (they just reinforce the idea of the books/series as a kids only lame thing, which they're not).

Also enjoyed playing spot the Shortland Street actor again! Wink
I love special effects so gladly sat down to the first movie but even the spectacular scenery and effects could not keep me awake I'm afraid.

A few months previously I had seen a mickey take of the movie by a British comedy duo French and Saunders and every time I saw the size of their feet or noticed the clever camera angles to emphasise height/lack of it I couldn't help but giggle (which really annoyed hubby).

I'll probably watch the DVD of two towers Roll Eyes eventually and probably fall asleep again.
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I love Aragorn/Viggo Mortensen....... several scenes in this made me think he'd be a good Sirius Black...

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Uncanny Sara, I'd been thinking the same thing - although I have yet to see The Two Towers - can't wait though! I will hopefully get to see it when I get home.

Speaking of which, it's time to tear myself away from the keyboard and go get on a big plane.
Byeeeeeee. Big Grin
lol @ Sara re: "Boramir: DIE ALREADY!!!!" I felt like I was Elaine Benis watching the English Patient. I remember turning to my husband and saying "At least he hasn't said 'I'm so cold'" and then he said "I'm so cold." lol....and then when he was like. "my captain....my king...." I whispered "kiss me!" and while my husband thought it was really funny, my brother-in-law was far from amused.

I have a similar thread going on an unrelated list I'm on, and a friend there who read my same review pointed out a few areas where I should have been nicer to the film, particularly: how great the fortresses look, what a great job Billy Boyd does as Pippin, the fact that "keeping the girl fighter out of the battle" has a future purpose despite my angst, and finally...the fact that overall, Peter Jackson did a better adaptation job than we could have hoped for. So add those comments to my review because I agree. But the bottom line is, this is totally a GUY FLICK.
I found this review in the Daily Telegraph (UK) - written by a woman (as if that needs to be said after reading it, LOL). I particularly like the first paragraph............... Big Grin (not sure exactly what constitutes a 'spoiler' so if worried please skip this post!!!)

Is this the longest computer game in cinematic history? The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers is like being trapped in a nerd's bedroom. Whenever you take a step toward the door, he cries: "No, you must watch this bit, this really is amazing."

According to the distinguished critic Alexander Walker, the story "moves much more quickly from location to location" than in the first film. Since I left the cinema feeling as if I had got off a long-haul flight, I can only thank Providence that I missed part one.

Certainly, the locations change from one slab of rock with a Lego castle and dry ice, to another. Perhaps this is to make up for the lack of movement in the characters. The only protagonist with any human range is Gollum, who is computer-animated. Equity must be getting nervous that an animated green house elf called Dobby is the star of Harry Potter and now Gollum is the only character worth watching in Lord of the Rings.

More worrying than a geeky attachment to large armies and controlled explosions is the geo-political metaphor. The film is being described as a story for our times, post 9/11. I suppose Britain is where the hobbits come from and it is up to us to fight for Middle Earth. "There is good in the world and it's worth fighting for," says Sam, the yokel hobbit. But after that, the metaphor becomes unsettling. Who are these hideous, alien races with terrible teeth? And what do walking trees have to do with it?

I imagine that when male critics say they feel "emotionally rewarded" or even "worshipful" towards this film, it may be because men do rather well out of it. They look great in armour; they do not have to say much more than "this is a good sword" or "let the battle begin"; they can fall off cliffs, wrestle with prehistoric beasts, fight off thousands of Orcs and remain shaven and unharmed. Women, on the other hand, are always being sent away. Liv Tyler floats off accompanied by folk music, and a spirited, if anaemic, blonde princess who takes a fancy to the warrior Aragorn (cue sword-play) is dispatched to a back passage with all the other toothless old women and grubby children.

The dialogue is mystical and banal, the facial expressions stoned. And I cannot overemphasise the length of this film. It took Peter Jackson nearly six years to make the trilogy and you feel that you have been with him all the way. As The Two Towers lumbered towards its overblown climax, I shook my numb body and looked at my watch. The hobbits were heading towards a flame on the horizon, a little far off for my liking, but perhaps they could get a lift on one of those winged dinosaurs. The beautiful, brave menfolk were galloping over the hills. "Are we nearly there yet?" I asked my rapt 10-year-old son.

Gandalf spoke. The battle of Helm's Deep is over, he exclaimed. Hurray, and not before time. Then he lifted his snowy head. "Let the battle of Middle Earth begin!" For a second, I froze, but then the credits rolled up. We were saving Middle Earth for part three. There was time to escape.
I watched the first one and walked out of it near halfway through. I just don't understand the plot and it's boring.

I watched traliers on DVD for the second one and those bored negative feeling re-surfaced again for me from the 1st one.

Give me Star Wars, X Files any day I say. Razzer
DISCLAIMER: Just my 2 cents opinion Smiler Cool

PS I did magange to watch the second Harry Potter movie all the way through though. Though you do get tired of it by the end.
Awww man, we don't get TTT over here in Aussie until Boxing Day, and I can't wait. I loved The Fellowship, in fact I went to see it three times at the cinema (ok ok the second and third times were just to perve on Legolas, I admit!).
I enjoyed reading your review Heidi, it was good to read a brutally honest reaction to the film; IMHO, newspaper reviewers and other film critics (esp here in aussie) can be too generous or sound as if they decided on their reaction before they even saw the film, which makes for unreliable reviews.

As for your comment on Orlando Bloom, who plays Legolas, I thought it was a bit harsh! Realife neo nazi skinhead... where did that description spring from?? Eeker And sorry, I disagree with your reasoning behind his casting in the series... it wasn't because of his brow furrowing abilities, but more for the eye-candy factor. Lol, he certainly held my attention in the first film! Wink Big Grin

Anyway, I was sorry to hear the The Two Towers is less true to the book than FOTR, I hope I don't get bored with the Helms Deep battle; I hate drawn out fight sequences. I guess I just have to wait and see. Cant wait to see Treebeard, and Gollum.
Well,I just saw TTT last night and LOVED it.I loved all the new characters..especially Gollum.I was afraid he was going to be another Jar Jar Binks,but Andy Serkis' performace was truly amazing.I also dig Viggo and Elijah,and had no problems watching Orlando Bloom furrow anything and everything he wanted for 3 hours. Wink And NO,I am NOT a LoTR "geek"...I've never read the books..I just enjoy one ripper of a story,and this most definately qualifies.And that's my 2 cents.

Brandi

Oh,the battle of Helm's Deep is ASTOUNDING.Period.
Re: Gemini's question...I saw a "making of LOTR" special on HBO last year, in relation to the first movie. Orlando Bloom, during his interview, had a mohawk, several piercings, and a black shirt with some sort of logo on it so offensive that even a station like HBO, who revels in shock value, saw fit to digitally blur it, and I have to admit I thought it looked like it could have been a swastika. (Then again, it could have been a Dead Kennedys logo....who knows.) But I wish I hadn't seen him that way because I can't react to his performances the same way anymore.

Also, regarding "honest" reviews...I learned in college why this happens with real-life professional critics. A writer on the newspaper staff, I was given free passes to movies so that I could review them. The movies were really, really bad [EDIT: I just remembered that the 2 movies in question were "Broken Arrow" starring John Travolta and Christian Slater, and "Demolition Man" starring Sylvester Stallone...] and I gave "honest" reviews. That's when I got in trouble with the Entertainment editor because apparently, studio reps who give out media invites to premieres pay pretty close attention to reviews, and if you give a movie a truly bad review (even if deserved) they might not be as eager to let you in on future releases by that studio...so it's a bit of a self-preservation move on the part of these critics.

If you are a movie buff, you'll have a ball reading "I Hated, Hated, Hated This Movie" by Roger Ebert. He took every brutal review from the last 20 years and put it in book form. Some of these are so true, so funny, you laugh out loud. I believe Ebert is one of the few critics who can get away with saying whatever he wants, and I read his reviews religiously (and disagree rarely). His attitude seems to be...OK...CONVINCE ME! If you fellow movie buffs wanna do Oscar pool in a few weeks, let me know...but be warned -- I have a system, and have won every Oscar pool I've been in for the last 5 years.
Oh, one thing I really loved about the movie which Brandi mentioned was the character Gollum. Wow, he was incredible! So realistic looking! I was in total awe!
The funny thing is, I remembered this character because of Joanna's dream about Neil Finn last night. Her description of how Neil looked when his wig fell off, balding with only tufts of hair, made me think of Gollum. Big Grin
I popped in my "Fellowship" DVD tonight to clear the shirt question up. It's a picture of Robert Deniro in Taxi Driver. I've never seen that movie, but from what I can see it looks like he's holding a gun to his head? And the mohawk was cut that way to accomodate the Legolas wig.

Robin Smiler

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[qb]Re: Gemini's question...I saw a "making of LOTR" special on HBO last year, in relation to the first movie. Orlando Bloom, during his interview, had a mohawk, several piercings, and a black shirt with some sort of logo on it so offensive that even a station like HBO, who revels in shock value, saw fit to digitally blur it, and I have to admit I thought it looked like it could have been a swastika.[/qb]
the two towers - fantastic. i'm gonna go back and see it again soon.

can i tell you my joke? okay.

man : "doctor, i had this very strange dream last night. i was sitting at my desk, in my study, writing frantically. upon closer examination i realised i was writing 'the lord of the rings'".

doctor : "don't worry young man, you've just been tolkien in your sleep"


i thank you.

sorry.
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More worrying than a geeky attachment to large armies and controlled explosions is the geo-political metaphor. The film is being described as a story for our times, post 9/11.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Not only had principal photoraphy of all three films wrapped by then, Tolkien also furiously resented any claim of allegory, and allowed for applicability in the rarest of cases. That is one of the reasons why I love the film (man, would I have HATED it if Jackson had bowed to American pressure to rename "The Two Towers" because of "9/11 sensibilities"! I think this is one of the very few examples in movie history when a film actually manages to sway both the aficionados and the casual filmgoers; the latter of which may not be overjoyed at the mythical epic parts of the story that stray from standard storytelling principles.

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Women, on the other hand, are always being sent away. Liv Tyler floats off accompanied by folk music, and a spirited, if anaemic, blonde princess who takes a fancy to the warrior Aragorn (cue sword-play) is dispatched to a back passage with all the other toothless old women and grubby children.
Well, it's true that Tolien's saga is rather "male oriented", to put it mildly. Jackson, Walsh and Boyens actually worked overtime to "activate" the female characters without diluting the original work, and they succeeded IMO. Much as I disliked the "more likeable" males in the adaptation of Jane Austen's work, I also dislike changing an original work beyond recognition and intent because "audiences could not possibly relate to this old-fashioned stuff". The fact that the major studios missed out on the LOTR films because they underestimated the commercial potential of a faithful adaptation is a very good statement that moviegoers do care about these things nevertheless.

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