Lost Fifth Album

The Pineapple Head posted:

What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994.

Has anyone made their own version using rarities?

Do you have an order?

Which tracks would be the singles?

I'd love to find out!

What lost fifth album?

Sugar Mouse posted:

The Pineapple Head posted:

What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994.

Has anyone made their own version using rarities?

Do you have an order?

Which tracks would be the singles?

I'd love to find out!

What lost fifth album?

The album that would have been made after Together Alone but wasn't completed/made.

The Pineapple Head posted:

What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994.

Has anyone made their own version using rarities?

Do you have an order?

Which tracks would be the singles?

I'd love to find out!

I have, but I'm not at home and don't have the iPod it's on with me. I'll try to remember to dig it out sometime and get back to you. 

The Pineapple Head posted:

Sugar Mouse posted:

The Pineapple Head posted:

What's everyone's thoughts on the 'Lost Fifth' album of Crowded House which would have been released some time after 1994.

Has anyone made their own version using rarities?

Do you have an order?

Which tracks would be the singles?

I'd love to find out!

What lost fifth album?

The album that would have been made after Together Alone but wasn't completed/made.

I don’t get the question. It’s confusing because they released Afterglow after TA, and then of course two more albums later.

I don't find it confusing at all. Afterglow was a "leftovers" album released after they broke up, some of which is post-TA, plus other material from that period exists. An "album" could be made from that material (and a pretty good one at that). The other two came years later after they reformed. 

Thanks for explaining, but the subtlety of the question was not implicit to me. I was unsure if the OP even knew there were albums after TA. 

I know they recorded a few demos with Peter Jones (ie Help Is Coming) but I didn’t know there was enough for a whole album. Are you counting the tracks with Paul recorded for Recurring Dream as well? B sides from Try Whistling This that were originally conceived as CH songs (ie Tokyo)? The parameters still aren’t very clear to me.

slowpogo posted:

Thanks for explaining, but the subtlety of the question was not implicit to me. I was unsure if the OP even knew there were albums after TA. 

I know they recorded a few demos with Peter Jones (ie Help Is Coming) but I didn’t know there was enough for a whole album. Are you counting the tracks with Paul recorded for Recurring Dream as well? B sides from Try Whistling This that were originally conceived as CH songs (ie Tokyo)? The parameters still aren’t very clear to me.

Let me rephrase the question. If you were to create a 'Lost Fifth' track listing using demos, Recurring Dream tracks, B sides, rarities ect, what songs would you pick from that period of the band?

slowpogo posted:

Thanks for explaining, but the subtlety of the question was not implicit to me. I was unsure if the OP even knew there were albums after TA. 

I know they recorded a few demos with Peter Jones (ie Help Is Coming) but I didn’t know there was enough for a whole album. Are you counting the tracks with Paul recorded for Recurring Dream as well? B sides from Try Whistling This that were originally conceived as CH songs (ie Tokyo)? The parameters still aren’t very clear to me

slowpogo posted:

Thanks for explaining, but the subtlety of the question was not implicit to me. I was unsure if the OP even knew there were albums after TA. 

I know they recorded a few demos with Peter Jones (ie Help Is Coming) but I didn’t know there was enough for a whole album. Are you counting the tracks with Paul recorded for Recurring Dream as well? B sides from Try Whistling This that were originally conceived as CH songs (ie Tokyo)? The parameters still aren’t very clear to me.

Do we know which songs from 'TWT" as well as the Afterglow demos, etc were actually considered for a new CH album? I hadn't heard "Tokyo" was considered for CH? any others? I assume many TWT songs, as well as Finn songs and others written after "TA" could have been new CH songs. Neil's often says he just writes and then decides where the songs should end up. I'd love to see a list.

The lost 5th album was also raised in the topic thread below.

https://www.frenzforum.com/top...lbum-finally-arrived

Camus presented a good track listing of:

Different order, but mine are basically the same as Camus'. Used the studio demo of Stairs and the rough mix of Loose tongue. Some have suggested that Astro was considered, but seems like Jaffa or someone shot that down. Have not heard it suggested that Tokyo was considered.

I don’t know if Tokyo was ever officially considered or rehearsed by Crowded House, but I recall reading that it was written during the band’s tenure.

Astro was kicking around at that stage, it was performed at a Finn concert in 1995/6 it's in one of the fan club CDs. Listening to the stuff recorded at the time there was some cracking material.

I am quite fond of my lost CH album, which I call Something Divine. I chose to imagine a word where some new songs are being worked on at the same time that outtakes from TA are being considered and that Paul is still a member of the band.

1. New castle Jam

2. Anthem 

3. Instinct 

4. Everything is Good For You

5. You Can Touch

6. A Taste of Something Devine

7. Not the Girl You Think You Are

8. My Time is Now (Paul Hester)

9. Convent Girls

10. Help is Coming

11. Spirit is the Stairs (studio demo)

Paināporo posted:

I am quite fond of my lost CH album, which I call Something Divine. I chose to imagine a word where some new songs are being worked on at the same time that outtakes from TA are being considered and that Paul is still a member of the band.

1. New castle Jam

2. Anthem 

3. Instinct 

4. Everything is Good For You

5. You Can Touch

6. A Taste of Something Devine

7. Not the Girl You Think You Are

8. My Time is Now (Paul Hester)

9. Convent Girls

10. Help is Coming

11. Spirit is the Stairs (studio demo)

I can tastify that Painaporos album Something Divine is one of the best albums CH (never) released.  

Thanks, Mariola! And it has cover art:

Paināporo posted:

I am quite fond of my lost CH album, which I call Something Divine. I chose to imagine a word where some new songs are being worked on at the same time that outtakes from TA are being considered and that Paul is still a member of the band.

1. New castle Jam

2. Anthem 

3. Instinct 

4. Everything is Good For You

5. You Can Touch

6. A Taste of Something Devine

7. Not the Girl You Think You Are

8. My Time is Now (Paul Hester)

9. Convent Girls

10. Help is Coming

11. Spirit is the Stairs (studio demo)

Painãporo do you have a link of any description to "This is massive" as I can't find it.

The Pineapple Head posted:

Paināporo posted:

I am quite fond of my lost CH album, which I call Something Divine. I chose to imagine a word where some new songs are being worked on at the same time that outtakes from TA are being considered and that Paul is still a member of the band.

1. New castle Jam

2. Anthem 

3. Instinct 

4. Everything is Good For You

5. You Can Touch

6. A Taste of Something Devine

7. Not the Girl You Think You Are

8. My Time is Now (Paul Hester)

9. Convent Girls

10. Help is Coming

11. Spirit is the Stairs (studio demo)

Painãporo do you have a link of any description to "This is massive" as I can't find it.

If you mean "My Time is Now", it's by Largest Living Things and is available on Other Enz: Split Enz and Beyond.

I've made a playlist that could have been released in 1996 or so, it utiilizes a couple of outtakes from Together Alone, though. (And they do sound ever-so-slightly out of place.) But it's a great album full of fantastic mid-nineties rock. I actually really, really really like it and I think I would have just loved in 1996, which was right when I was getting into all things Finn. I even think it might have been a big international hit, it sounds so "of the times."

It goes like this:

1. Newcastle Jam
2. Taste of Something Divine
3. Help is Coming
4. I Am In Love
5. Convent Girls
6. Instinct
7. You Can Touch
8. Not the Girl you Think YOu Are
9. Anthem
10. I Don't Know You
11. Spirit of the Stairs
12. Everything Is Good For you

Depending on my mood I might add either "Loose Tongue" or "My Time Is Now."

SOOOO much good music from that time frame! Sad they called it quits in what seems in retrospect to be a very creative time for Neil. But at least this stuff is "out" and we can enjoy it, shuffle it around and create interesting playlists and "what ifs".

Another thought just came to me, "Walk Tall" was from that period. Though it was a live cut, would have been interesting to see it developed and see what would have happened in the studio. Could have fit well on the "lost album".

Steve Shealy posted:

Another thought just came to me, "Walk Tall" was from that period. Though it was a live cut, would have been interesting to see it developed and see what would have happened in the studio. Could have fit well on the "lost album".

To me, if these songs we know were on that "lost" album, it would be most probably second best album of CH, shortly after Together Alone, and maybe even with Woodface... Most of that songs are just brilliant, just to mention Anthem, Help is Coming, Taste of Something Divine, Everything is good for you, Spirit of the stairs are all just fantastic. Rest of them are also great...

I totally agree. My "Crowded House 96 " is my favorite Crowded House record after Together Alone.

In addition to the 1996 CH album I shared previously, I also have a "bonus disc" to that album, which I call the Lost Tapes '96. It includes the following:

1. Most Unwanted (MTV UK live)
2. Instinct (demo from FTTW DVD)
3. Be My Guest (live on the Internet)
4. Not the Girl You Think You Are (demo)
5. Dots on the Shell (live acoustic performance)
6. Everything Is Good For You (demo)
7. Loose Tongue (demo)
8. Falling Star (live acoustic radio performance)
9. I Don't Know You (demo)
10. Spirit of the Stairs (home demo)
11. I'm So Scared of Losing I Can't Compete (home demo)

And the cover art looks like this:

I always loved Dr. Livingston and the slew of Woodface and TA outtakes. Combined with the post TA tour singles and tracks worked on, I came up with two versions of the same 5th album. Kind of in the spirit of how 'Walking On The Spot' was a Mullanes track that finally made it on to TA. This even has Finn and Neil Solo output on it. The first 15 track album would've been released around early 1996, but suppose it was rejected by the record company and included some tracks he would have used on the first Finn Brothers album in 1995, but were too good to pass up on a CH album.  Neil went back to the drawing board, like Woodface, dumped the Woodface leftovers a second time, added some more Tim input and this 2nd version would have been released in early 1997 with some tracks Neil was working on for a potential solo album call 'Try Whistling This' in which he used some of his CH output to complete. He comes up with an improved, 16 track album that becomes a worldwide hit and Crowded House's status in the United States is regained, Rolling Stone calling the album 'masterful songcraft' and hailing the new and improved Crowded House 'the modern Beatles' as Tim rejoins to round out the band as a legit 5 piece (lol!). The newly empowered group enters the new millennium with classic album after another classic album, until a good Friday in 1995, Paul Hester, exhausted from the riggers of touring and unable to maintain a meaningful private life, and properly treat his manic-depression, tragically ends his life in an Australian Park while walking his dog. The world mourns his loss

Crowded House The Ghosts Of Dr. Livingston - Version One

I Am In Love
808 Song
Instinct
You Can Touch
Angel's Heap
Help Is Coming
Only Talking Sense
She Will Have Her Way
Suffer Never (Remix)
Not The Girl You Think You Are
Eyes Of The World
Loose Tongue (Rough Mix)
Everything Is Good For You
Left Hand
Time Immemorial

The Ghosts Of Dr. Livingston - Version 2

Prelude - Marina (Finn)
I Am In Love
Newcastle Jam (Studio Version)
Anthem
Instinct
You Can Touch
Angel's Heap
Convent Girls
Spirit Of The Stairs
Suffer Never (Remix)
Not The Girl You Think You Are
She Will Have Her Way
A Taste Of Something Divine (Studio Demo)
Everything Is Good For You
Loose Tongue (Rough Mix)
Dr Livingston

P.S. I added Tim's 'Marina' because it's hauntingly beautiful and befitting of the album's title, I thought it would make a good album opener and another reason for Tim To rejoin the band, lol!

Tell me if you like it, or if I'm full of ****, I don't care, lol! Oh, btw, my version of 'Spirit of the Stairs' is unlike any other. It's actually a hybrid of the CH studio version with parts of Neil's TWT version edited in to round out the full lyrics, some that weren't included in the CH version he added later during TWT. It's rough because they are at slightly different speeds and slightly different pitch. The part 'In the dark in the pouring rain, into the trap she steps again' edited in, and the part on the final chorus where Neil ad libs lyrics over spirit of the stairs on the TWT version, then blends back into the long guitar solo ending. A more definitive version IMHO.

@Lance LaSalle posted:

I've made a playlist that could have been released in 1996 or so, it utiilizes a couple of outtakes from Together Alone, though. (And they do sound ever-so-slightly out of place.) But it's a great album full of fantastic mid-nineties rock. I actually really, really really like it and I think I would have just loved in 1996, which was right when I was getting into all things Finn. I even think it might have been a big international hit, it sounds so "of the times."

It goes like this:

1. Newcastle Jam
2. Taste of Something Divine
3. Help is Coming
4. I Am In Love
5. Convent Girls
6. Instinct
7. You Can Touch
8. Not the Girl you Think YOu Are
9. Anthem
10. I Don't Know You
11. Spirit of the Stairs
12. Everything Is Good For you

Depending on my mood I might add either "Loose Tongue" or "My Time Is Now."

Very good track list, almost matches mine exactly, great songs!!!