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I have to admit I updated my own wikipedia page once or twice to correct a few mistakes- I (stupidly) didn't realise I couldn't (one of the kind wiki-frenz did inform me)..but have to say I didn't do it 16 times *GRIN*.

Sometimes I think by hiding from the truth of such things like the 'stalking' he is actually highlighting it as it just makes him look guilty.

Surely everyone that is interested in Judd knows and they can make their own minds up, I get it if he is ashamed of his actions but (still-for me anyway)- I think it just shines a light on it and people comment.

Gryph
Considering Phil Judd is described on Wikipedia as "a New Zealand singer/songwriter" (and not "NZ loony"), I kinda wish the paragraph on his musical adventures with the Enz were only half as detailed as his mental illness and criminal conviction. But that's probably just me.

On a totally unrelated note, maybe someone could fix the math on PG's Wikipedia page: "Entries from his diary have thus far been published in three books, "Hussy", "Bang!" and "Glamour" and "Trip"." Big Grin

Michael
the Record re: Newspaper Article November 1st 2009: Mr Philip R. Judd wrongly pleaded guilty to the charge of 'Stalking' due to his lack of finances to contest the charge of which he was innocent (and for which 'there was no evidence of sexual intent' - court records state ). The whole incident was blown out of proportion due to the greed of the mother of the girls in question, who believed she could gain monetary recompense in a civil case when she realised that he was once a member of the band 'Split Enz'.

Phil's judgement in this regard, at the time of his case at Heidelberg Magistrates Court in March 2009, was impaired due to his 'mental illness' and naivety as to the repercussions of his 'plea of guilty.' This court judgement was leaked to the press 8 months after the aforementioned proceedings. This was jumped upon by the press, creating sensationalist tabloids resulting in the besmirchment of his reputation, a major embarrassment to himself, his family and his associates past and present. This also created havoc in his personal life at a time when he was in the process of recording his 3rd solo work. He received 'death threats and threats to his property' and was put under major duress, which brought on a stroke and a near mental collapse due to the persecution he received at the hands of anonymous callers, the infiltration of his Facebook site by a hacker posing as himself who sent abusive emails to various friends and family.

The website 'frenzforum.com' , a fan website and forum for members of Split Enz and the various incarnations that have resulted from this band, were more culpable than most in crucifying Philip Judd, accusing him of 'pedophilia' and persecuting him publicly for months since the November article hit the stands. This website is run and owned by a Ms Debbie Levitt from the USA. Although there are obligations and policies of civility and so called 'moderators' on this website, from what was posted and allowed to be published worldwide, seems to have contravened the very policies of a public forum site, which seems to be a legal issue. This abuse of Mr Judd went unabated for almost 5 months adding to his distress and putting undue pressure on his loved ones. Mr Judd came close to a nervous breakdown due to the unhindered, uncensored slander that was publicly incited and propogated by the site's webmaster/owner Debbie Levitt and various other forum members including Mr Peter Green who runs the fan club for Split Enz, Neil Finn,Tim Finn, Crowded House etc.

None of Phil Judd's past associates from Split Enz publicly defended or supported him in his time of need. Instead there was a major silence surrounding the situation. Considering his contribution to the formation of the Split Enz and the input and impact he made on the reputation and sound of the original band up until his departure in 1977, it seems pathetic that his financial situation was in such dire straights and that there was no assistance, moral or financial, to alleviate or contest his court appearance in the first place. Admittedly, there obviously have been major communication breakdowns with 'old comrades' from the past , specifically Tim Finn, but this does not justify the reticence and obvious callousness that he has been subject to by his 'so called ' old friends.

This whole episode has been a 'miscarriage of justice' which seems to happen often in our legal system when dealing with people who have 'mental health issues' and is a testament to the need to revise the judicial system in these circumstances.

I would go as far as saying that Phil Judd's conviction of 'Stalking ' should be overturned and a new case put to the courts, considering he was not competent to make the call and to 'plead guilty' in the first place.

In this instance his barrister and solicitor should be hung out to dry!! They did not inform him of the potential damage this would incur and the consequences of his plea! To my mind this situation constitutes a 'failure in a duty of care' and should be severely reprimanded by the Bar Association, and the Law Society for such irresponsible behaviour!

On closing, I would like to add that "people who suffer from mental illness have been misrepresented in the judicial system for long enough and need 'advocacy' to adjust their sentences in a majority of cases."

The federal government needs to implement an overhaul of this abhorrent situation and institute a major inquiry into the 'mental health of convicted criminals' and their cases. There should be an investigation of 'mental health issues' generally amongst the penal population to truly have a progressive overview of the institutionalisation of recidivists.

Having worked briefly in this area, amd having done some research, I am of the opinion that much needs to be done to rectify these anomalies, and bring our Corrective Services into the 21st century.

Phil Judd is a victim of circumstance and of his own condition. That's not to say that the man is incompetent generally speaking. ON THE CONTRARY , HE IS EXTREMELEY OVER-INTELLIGENT IN MANY RESPECTS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY BIPOLAR PEOPLE DO NOT FUNCTION IN THE WORLD ON THE SAME LEVEL AS EXPECTED. Most Bipolar people have extraordinarily productive lives professionally and otherwise. It is on the very subtle levels of practical functionality that some, not all, faulter. Research into these areas is ongoing and only touching the surface. Science has a lot to answer for and catch up with.

Phil Judd is an extremeley talented example of the brilliance that emanates from the bipolar imagination and genius. Hopefully he will continue to produce his illuminary works,both musical, literary and of course his superb visual arts.

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the infiltration of his Facebook site by a hacker posing as himself who sent abusive emails to various friends and family.


Yeah Right! Roll Eyes

Who's writing this BULLS.H.I.T?
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I would go as far as saying that Phil Judd's conviction of 'Stalking ' should be overturned and a new case put to the courts, considering he was not competent to make the call and to 'plead guilty' in the first place.


Funny that because if he was deemed "not competent" there would have been mention made of this in the form of a report from the Psych assessment team.



The facts: - He did the crime & will now have to do the time (on an unrelated matter).And this is all just Crying over spilt milk because he threw the baby out with the bathwater Boo Hoo Hoo stuff! The author also fails to mention that Phil Judd has a list of previous convictions that a long arm would have a very hard time accommodating.
The biography has just been nominated for "Protected Status" on Wikipedia, meaning people won't be able to edit it willy-nilly. The reason cited for nomination?

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This page is currently a victim of a nasty Split Enz fandom war between Phil Judd fans and fans of the Finn brothers. (The fandom war predates Phil's arrest for stalking a minor by about ten years, although it got much, much worse afterward.) Both sides have been using IPs and one-subject user accounts to vandalize this article.
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Originally posted by Finngirl:
Wonder who he had write that for him.

It was signed (before it disappeared again).

I'm fairly certain the Intriguer is involved as well.

Michael


Thought I'd point out that the recent Wiki additions were signed by Mira (last name forgotten), who coincidentally shares the same first name as FF member Rezno from another, more vitriolic thread about Phil. She appeared to be his mouthpiece in that thread - I don't see why not on his Wiki page too.
Thought I'd point out that the recent Wiki additions were signed by Mira (last name forgotten), who coincidentally shares the same first name as FF member Rezno from another, more vitriolic thread about Phil. She appeared to be his mouthpiece in that thread - I don't see why not on his Wiki page too.[/QUOTE]

Make that "Jezno". Didn't she also start a fan page for him on FB for his art?
If Judd spent half the effort used on editing his Wikipedia page on getting counselling, admitting what he did and just making good music agan people would respect him more again.

But altering and editing the recent stuff from his wiki page just makes him look twice as guilty.

That other person who wrote that diatribe, wow. If they really believe that then they need help as badly as Judd does. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Odd things happening on Phil Judd's wikipedia page again. There are now claims that "it was found at a court hearing" the Herald Sun published "a falsified series of events".

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As of July 2010, it was found at a court hearing that The Herald Sun newspaper printed a falsified series of events in the article which was published in November 2009, especially the accusation of Judd posing as a 17 year old boy online.[citation needed]


This was added by Wikipedia user "PlayItStrange". Wikipedia contributions by PlayItStrange have only been to modify Phil Judd's wikipedia entry a few times.

I contacted The Herald Sun, and they say that they have checked their own records and those of other papers, and there is no sign of any court case where it was concluded that they had published a falsified series of events.
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Originally posted by Flicker:
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Originally posted by hk:
Peter, why has your page been deleted?


According to Wikipedia's deletion log several users decided Peter didn't meet Wikipedia's "Notability" criteria.


Oh wow! I didn't realise that there was such a concept in Wiki! That's a bit harsh. Eeker And subjective.

Golly, bit of a wiki wars going on here. How silly. Grow up people.
To be honest i don't think I've even looked at my page for ages. It was nice of whomever put it up (thanks). Because we spend so much of our work time on the net I rarely even think of the other stuff. Hunter (chuckling) yeah don't give a rats ar$e *GRIN*. Love that line- funny.

I think Judd's just desperate that the truth not be on the net anywhere, a bit delusional really, if the Sun made stuff up he could/ sue them 2/ get them to print a retraction. To my knowledge he's done none of that. The paper originally printed the Facebook Conversation on June 12, 13th and 14th 2008 along with the story. It seems a pretty weird thing to make up- multiple days of Facebook conversation.

By altering stuff like that people are going to wonder why and it just makes you look suss.

Anyway why are we opening this can of worms again, it's so past it's use by date. But maybe it proves the point, altering your wikipedia does re light all this stuff.

Gryph
old post, but...

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Originally posted by hk:
Oh wow! I didn't realise that there was such a concept in Wiki! That's a bit harsh. Eeker And subjective.

yeah, the same thing happened with a page i made for a band i liked. they've released three albums, one of which was produced by a big time musician, but apparently they weren't notable enough. whatever. i can understand them not wanting a page for every two-bit band or "celebrity" blogger or something, but if other music managers get a page, why not gryph? once a band's released multiple albums, shouldn't they deserve a page too?

re: phil editing his own page, it sounds like they need to just ban him from doing it like they warned about last year. it never occurred to me you couldn't edit your own page, but it makes sense. on one hand, that person would be the best source for information about them, but on the other hand they can fudge facts and claim of course it's true, it's their life so they're the authority on it.
No I didn't know you couldn't either, I corrected an error on my page ages ago ... without even knowing. It wasn't anything major but just thought it should be correct. So I can't throw stones at that one as I have unknowingly done it myself.
To be honest I haven't looked for ages so no idea if my WIKi page still exists. Not that fussed either way.
As far as Judd, you'd think he'd move on, anyone that cares would surely know what really happened no matter which way he likes to attempt to change history. Seems pretty strange after all this time that he still obsesses over it.
The more you try to change it the more people will notice and think you are hiding stuff...
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Originally posted by gryphon:
As far as Judd, you'd think he'd move on, anyone that cares would surely know what really happened no matter which way he likes to attempt to change history. Seems pretty strange after all this time that he still obsesses over it.


Gryphon (and everyone), While I understand that you were replying to another member, your assessment is yet another cheap shot, and far off the radar in relation to the current shape of things.
Phil has not edited that page, and it is wrong of you to state otherwise. You knew that facts behind everything many months prior to anything being made public via Herald Sun etc.

He was an idiot - let's make that clear.
In 2009, the courts sent a clear message to all; that taking a couple of aesthetic based photos, getting pissed and messaging a high school teen equals bad press, a fine, and serious loss of face. I think we all know this has had an effect on his career, even though there was nothing sexual involved, as is shown in the court record.
Those facts are unchanged from the outset.

And for the record people, he was jailed for a domestic fallout, not the stalking conviction. Many a man who finds himself cornered by constant pressures and his own mental and social failings is bound to fall apart ungracefully. The extent would vary. That's no excuse, it's the truth. Ask any therapist and they'll explain it better than me.

Phil has served his time for the domestic, paid his debt(s), completed (successfully) every court order, sought out ways to regain his health, and is doing the very best he can given the overall picture. He has some rock solid people around him too, and they are ready to step in when needed.
PJ may not be 'respected' around here as such, but that's life, and life will move on regardless.
However, other respected types should act in a more professional manner and stop putting the boot in. That has to stop.

Give the man a fxxxing break, and let him improve his life with the help of his family, friends and those who truly care for him !
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Originally posted by Mishima:
Phil has not edited that page, and it is wrong of you to state otherwise.


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So this Wikipedia editor is someone else using Phil Judd's name then?
Mishma

I actually wasn't the person originally stating it, I responded to that person comments. It's a true enough assumption that the more someone (whether it's Phil or someone else) try's to change history the more suss it will look. Nothing cheap about the comment it's just a fact.

You also fail to mention that when the Herald Sun called our office it was me who was the first to call and warn him, and also pass on a contact number later on in case he wanted to give his side of the story. The Herald Sun "stuff' had zero to do with us, ours was the only contact number they had & I thought it was the right thing to give him a 'heads up' even if
we were not mates, so yeah we've given him a few 'fxxxing breaks'.

Also, there were a lot of 'facts' that I didn't know (example Phil pretending to be a 17 year old boy on Facebook ) so no, don't assume we knew all that was going down, that is actually incorrect. Some of the article comments I most certainly didn't know about.

There are things Phil has mentioned which I have never told to anyone else, simply, it was his private stuff, told in confidence and even now, no matter what I feel about Mr Judd I still would not betray that trust. Why do you think the Auckland newspaper follow up article only had a few lines of quote from me, if one wanted to put the boot in surely that was the time.

End of day Phil is not part of our life,that isn't a bad thing, I don't miss the masses of horrible emails, the endless Finn jealousy B.S. etc. If his life is improving that is a good thing, but you ARE making a mountain out of a mole hill- till your post I rarely even thought about Judd, maybe YOU are re-igniting fuses Mishima ever thought of that?
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Originally posted by Mishima:
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Originally posted by gryphon:
As far as Judd, you'd think he'd move on, anyone that cares would surely know what really happened no matter which way he likes to attempt to change history. Seems pretty strange after all this time that he still obsesses over it.


Gryphon (and everyone), While I understand that you were replying to another member, your assessment is yet another cheap shot, and far off the radar in relation to the current shape of things.
Phil has not edited that page, and it is wrong of you to state otherwise. You knew that facts behind everything many months prior to anything being made public via Herald Sun etc.

He was an idiot - let's make that clear.
In 2009, the courts sent a clear message to all; that taking a couple of aesthetic based photos, getting pissed and messaging a high school teen equals bad press, a fine, and serious loss of face. I think we all know this has had an effect on his career, even though there was nothing sexual involved, as is shown in the court record.
Those facts are unchanged from the outset.

And for the record people, he was jailed for a domestic fallout, not the stalking conviction. Many a man who finds himself cornered by constant pressures and his own mental and social failings is bound to fall apart ungracefully. The extent would vary. That's no excuse, it's the truth. Ask any therapist and they'll explain it better than me.

Phil has served his time for the domestic, paid his debt(s), completed (successfully) every court order, sought out ways to regain his health, and is doing the very best he can given the overall picture. He has some rock solid people around him too, and they are ready to step in when needed.
PJ may not be 'respected' around here as such, but that's life, and life will move on regardless.
However, other respected types should act in a more professional manner and stop putting the boot in. That has to stop.

Give the man a fxxxing break, and let him improve his life with the help of his family, friends and those who truly care for him !


Wink Well said Mishima! I agree totally. Phil needs support and care to re-establish his life on every level and I hope his new album 'Plastic Bags' charts well and makes him bagz of money!! Cheers and over & out Jezno Cool
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Originally posted by gryphon:
Mishma

I actually wasn't the person originally stating it, I responded to that person comments. It's a true enough assumption that the more someone (whether it's Phil or someone else) try's to change history the more suss it will look. Nothing cheap about the comment it's just a fact.

You also fail to mention that when the Herald Sun called our office it was me who was the first to call and warn him, and also pass on a contact number later on in case he wanted to give his side of the story. The Herald Sun "stuff' had zero to do with us, ours was the only contact number they had & I thought it was the right thing to give him a 'heads up' even if
we were not mates, so yeah we've given him a few 'fxxxing breaks'.

Also, there were a lot of 'facts' that I didn't know (example Phil pretending to be a 17 year old boy on Facebook ) so no, don't assume we knew all that was going down, that is actually incorrect. Some of the article comments I most certainly didn't know about.

There are things Phil has mentioned which I have never told to anyone else, simply, it was his private stuff, told in confidence and even now, no matter what I feel about Mr Judd I still would not betray that trust. Why do you think the Auckland newspaper follow up article only had a few lines of quote from me, if one wanted to put the boot in surely that was the time.


Well said gryphon! I agree totally. Phil needs support and care to re-establish his life on every level. I hope his new album is a popular, artistic and financial success for him. Cheers, pip pip, cheerio Mister Sadly!

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