Lindsey Buckingham Sues Fleetwood Mac

I don’t mean to take sides, but if a majority of the band, including the creator who first hired LB, decide to fire him, that’s their right. I can certainly understand this being a surprise and devastating to LB, but unless they are in breach of a written contract I’m not sure what the legal standing is for him to sue. Maybe in the good old days you could trust a handshake agreement, but really without a contract you should never take anything for granted. Especially in Fleetwood Mac!

I hope Neil doesn’t suffer too much collateral damage from this fiasco.

slowpogo posted:

I don’t mean to take sides, but if a majority of the band, including the creator who first hired LB, decide to fire him, that’s their right. I can certainly understand this being a surprise and devastating to LB, but unless they are in breach of a written contract I’m not sure what the legal standing is for him to sue. Maybe in the good old days you could trust a handshake agreement, but really without a contract you should never take anything for granted. Especially in Fleetwood Mac!

I hope Neil doesn’t suffer too much collateral damage from this fiasco.

My understanding is that Mick Fleetwood and John McVie co-own Fleetwood Mac and all the others are technically employees.  Thus, I believe Mick/John had the right to fire Lindsey. Lindsey may been entitled to some portion of the proceeds from this tour if they had a contract in place and it sounds like this is the basis for the lawsuit; in other words, Lindsey believes he's entitled to his share of the revenue from this current tour.  Apparently he and the band have been discussing a settlement since he was fired and nothing has come of that negotiation so now he's suing essentially to get paid. My guess is that Lindsey has a weak case and that this will be quietly settled before long.

silent stream posted:

Um, is nobody going to discus the size of neil’s potential payday referred to in this article? Even if he has to split his share with mike campbell thats still $us6m ...

wowsers 😳

$12m for each was the plan for the tour

damn fascinating read that piece

Yes - sounds like each members makes 12-14 million for the tour.  Not bad.  Will pay for a lot of Neil projects down the road that aren't likely to be too profitable.

Oh, I wouldn't get too excited over Neil's potential pay day on this tour.  My read on this is that the 12-14 million figure was an agreement between the five of them.  I highly doubt that it applies to Mike and Neil because they were not in the band at the time this agreement was made.  I also highly doubt that they would pay that much to new members of the band.  Think about it. Really think about it for a minute.  Would Mick and John, who have been in this band for 50  years, want Neil and Mike to make the same amount of money as them?   I don't think so!  That being said, I'm sure they are making it worth Neil and Mike's time to participate in this tour.  Neil did have to put promotion of his latest recording on hold in order to do this.  Neil would have been a fool not to bring this up in negotiations.  It is common practice in the business that not all members of a band make the same amount of money.  Now, I am not saying all bands do this.  But, it is particularly true for bands that have been around for many years and have had line-up changes over those years.   Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Supertramp, Metallica are just examples that I can think of off the top of my head.   In the end, I am sure that Neil will be happy Just to be able to put enough money in the bank that he could use to fund his future projects.  I don't see anything wrong with that.

Hmmm... this quote from the article doesn't give me much hope of hearing any new material from FM (with Neil) anytime soon:

“I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell,” Nicks told Rolling Stone last year. “What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.”

I know this has been discussed quite a bit already but when I think about things rationally I really think Neil should not have taken this gig mostly out of respect for another artist (Buckingham) and how it would look after a bad breakup, which obviously could have guessed if he did not know outright. I mean, even he did not want Crowded House to carry on without a key member....until Paul passed. That must have been out of respect to Paul in some ways.  Anyway, this lawsuit even shows more reason why Neil should not have been involved. Buckingham feels betrayed and he should. And Nicks seems like a total you know what. That would be reason alone not to get involved: to stay away from her. 

Lost all respect for Lindsey Buckingham. This move is pathetic and opportunistic; frankly it reeks of desperation and a fragile ego.

All those Fleetwood Mac fans that were worried with the new bandmembers somehow tainting the band’s legacy, can thank Lindsey Buckingham for singlehandedly destroying any hope for a future reunion.

If he were satisfied with his own work (and the sales of his current solo tour) he wouldn’t have to weasel his way to money he’s not entitled to. 

This further proves what a real piece of work Lindsey Buckingham is, and why his band members decided enough was enough.

 

Trish posted:

Hmmm... this quote from the article doesn't give me much hope of hearing any new material from FM (with Neil) anytime soon:

“I don’t think there’s any reason to spend a year and an amazing amount of money on a record that, even if it has great things, isn’t going to sell,” Nicks told Rolling Stone last year. “What we do is go on the road, do a ton of shows and make lots of money. We have a lot of fun. Making a record isn’t all that much fun.”

I would not read too much into that quote. I think this was Stevie Nicks’ smokescreen explanation why she was refusing to record with Fleetwood Mac (the quote goes back a year). I think the real reason is that she couldn’t stand the thought of being in a recording studio with Lindsey Buckingham (or being directed/produced by him) and refused to do so. 

Now that he has been removed from the equation, I could actually see her pushing for a new Fleetwood Mac album just to spite him (he was always pushing to record new music with the Mac and she kept refusing, and putting out these flimsy excuses).

I could envisage an album with studio versions of the early Mac songs currently on the set list, Mac versions of I Got You and DDIO, some other early Mac songs that were rehearsed but didn’t make the set list, and maybe one or two new songs.

This wouldn’t take too long to record given they have been playing/rehearsing the live songs and could perhaps be done between the US tour and a potential World Tour. I just don’t know if there would be the time/appetite for a new album of all new music (but I would love there to be!).

It all seems quite surreal that Neil is caught up in the middle of this drama. A year ago just the suggestion that I Got You could be covered on a Fleetwood Mac album with Neil and Stevie singing it together would have been more than ridiculous!

Brando....I think the person we should lose respect for is Stevie Nicks. I did not know the type of person she really is and it shows that she is the one that botched the regular Fleetwood Mac lineup and potential tour. All because of her ego. Thus, I lost a bit of respect for Neil because he should have just said no to joining knowing there was a bad breakup and out of respect for a fellow artist of same caliber as him in terms of songwriting and guitar playing. Just the fact he would pls side by side with Stevie is pretty bad. Actually, there might be another Fleetwood breakup soon knowing that Neil would not put up with Stevie’s ego...I think she will trip up somewhere down the line with Neil on this tour. 

Whysus, I concur; I'm a newer fan, but does seem to surreal to see Neil caught up in this drama. I wonder if he wishes he could go back to his life/studio in Auckland and Piha, and do his own projects? I'm sure he'll manage it all fine and has probably seen much pretty everything in the music business.

All this blaming of Stevie Nick's ego for Lindsay Buckingham's departure and suggestions that Neil is somehow at fault for taking the gig is crazy talk.

Firstly he had absolutely no part in Lindsay's departure. It was a done deal well before Neil was approached by Mick Fleetwood to join the band.  Frankly, who could turn down an opportunity like that - an invitation to join one of the biggest bands of all time, even if it only turns out to be a short term thing.

Secondly, none of us really know what went on behind the scenes in Fleetwood Mac. It is clear from statements by Mick that there had been general unhappiness in the band for many years.  Buckingham is a notoriously prickly character.  Blaming this situation entirely on Stevie Nicks is most likely wrong - and I'm sure a truer picture will emerge over the coming months.  What is very apparent is that the band are much happier and engaged on this tour than they have been for years.

Neil himself seems to be really enjoying the opportunity to show his talent to a wider audience.  And he is really killing it on stage.  I've been blown away by his vocals on the clips I've seen.  I caught Neil a couple of times earlier this year in Sydney - at the Opera House performing Out of Silence and at Taronga Zoo with Liam.  He was stuggling with his voice both times and I was concerned that age may have finally been catching up with those wonderful vocal chords.  But his voice is sounding as strong as ever on this Fleetwood Mac tour.

Freofan posted:

Whysus, I concur; I'm a newer fan, but does seem to surreal to see Neil caught up in this drama. I wonder if he wishes he could go back to his life/studio in Auckland and Piha, and do his own projects? I'm sure he'll manage it all fine and has probably seen much pretty everything in the music business.

Neil’s playing an arena tour for the first time in his life. He gets to experience new songs and new musicians, play 3 shows a week to big appreciative crowds, with a crew used to catering to any artist’s whim, travel in luxury, etc. I bet he’s having the time of his life.

I don’t particularly like FMs actions in all this either, but I’d still take the gig in a flash. It’s not an opportunity which comes around every year.

 

None of us really know what happened. Both sides are surely cherry-picking their version of things  and to take sides says more about your own bias than anything else. I think Neil will be fine. I think the band knows enough to keep their problems to themselves and not involve the new guys. And whatever ego issues, Neil will manage gracefully.

I think Neil will be ok and I also think it’s great that he is playing in larger arenas etc etc....the point is, I feel he should not have taken the spot of a well respected musician...out of respect to him. And especially when it is because of a split that he knew was not a good split. I just think it does not look good on him. I finally really thought about it and even considering the good money, I would not have done it if I was in his shoes. 

Lindsey Buckingham wasn’t some axman who laid down a chord here and there, or provided a solo when Mick and John ordered him to.  He was one of three singer songwriters who provided the same amount of songs per album as Christine and Stevie, and also had major production duties on many of the group’s albums.  Even Stevie has said that Lindsey made her  music sound better than anyone. His production tasks us why he ultimately made more money on some of the albums than the other singers.  Regarding Carol Ann Harris’s “Storms,” none of her accusations or allegations ever went to court.  And if true, the whole group should be ashamed that they sat by and did nothing.  I hope you’re wrong and I’m right that Stevie wasn’t abused but we don’t know yet what the truth is.  If I’m wrong I feel so sorry for Stevie - you are right, some victims of abuse don’t always admit to it.

Lindsey is a musical genius who kept this group together and relevant and should not have been booted unceremoniously handshake or no handshake. That’s like saying that a unit within a department fired one of its key members because they didn’t like him. The matter should have been handled professionally by the record company with an attempt at mediation.  Nothing you say is going to convince m that Lindsey was treated well, or that Petty’s guitarist and Neil Finn will fill his shoes.

Getting back to Carol Ann Harris, her book was deeply upsetting to me and it’s one of those tragic parts of this incredible group’s legacy good and bad. Perhaps, this latest chapter is karma catching up with Lindsey.  I hope this isn’t the case. And I hope Carol has found happiness and lover(s) who are not abusive and who are respectful and loving. This is heavy stuff.

I understand why some here are happy about Neil joining and Lindsey leaving, but I prefer Fleetwood Mac with Lindsey. 

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