Is This The End?

With the horrible news that Neil is joining Fleetwood Mac (yuck!) Do you think this is the end of Crowded House version II? I have to admit it doesn't look good... I was hoping this was some sort of ridiculous belated April Fool's day joke but apparently not... Neil can obviously do what he wants but disappointing to read about this turn of events... was really hoping for a solo tour but i guess the almighty dollar wins out in the end... after this money grab maybe Neil can join Bon Jovi for their next tour...

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He’s joining for this upcoming tour, but it could easily be the group’s last major tour. I don’t see this as being permanent. Neil is too restless. Perhaps it will make him want to dust off his own band. Who knows. But I don’t see this as the end of anything, but rather something full of new possibilities.

That said, I’ve never been particularly interested in Fleetwood Mac, but it’s a very high-profile gig that will expose Neil to a lot of potential new fans. It also opens him up to the scorn of a lot of die hards. Hopefully people give him a fair shake; the initial reaction from FM fans has largely seemed like “Nothing against these two replacements, they’re very talented but it’s not FM without Buckingham.” Hopefully it goes well and Neil and Mike Campbell change some minds.

I don’t think it’s the end for Crowded House , as it’s probably only one tour . What I do feel is that every other thing that Neil takes on pushes Crowded House further in the distance , and that makes me sad . Listening to two minutes silence yesterday makes me lament the fact that they didn’t finish the last album . The 2016 appearances at the opera house were incredible , but further proof that the band should be doing more . 

Ironically Neil has replaced the most talented member of Fleetwood Mac . ( the fact that it’s taken two people to replace him confirms that ). 

I consider Mark , Nick and Matt to be better anyway ....

 

 

Well, I just looked on Neil's website and the LA concert originally scheduled for 2019 has dropped off.  So indeed it is The End of that plan at least.  Heard that the Fleetwood Mac tour may begin this fall.  I am thrilled with the pending energy and creativity of this new lineup.  When you really think about it, this combination is not that much of a stretch.  Many of CH/Finn melodies match what Mac has been doing for years.  This blend will, I believe, be a winning match.

ginacandle posted:

Well, I just looked on Neil's website and the LA concert originally scheduled for 2019 has dropped off.  So indeed it is The End of that plan at least.  Heard that the Fleetwood Mac tour may begin this fall.  I am thrilled with the pending energy and creativity of this new lineup.  When you really think about it, this combination is not that much of a stretch.  Many of CH/Finn melodies match what Mac has been doing for years.  This blend will, I believe, be a winning match.

Completely agree. Once I sat back and thought about it and the initial shock wore off, I realized that this is a fabulous match. Neil's gift for melody, lyrics, and lead vocals with one of the top rhythm sections of all-time (McVie and Fleetwood) with one of the best rock guitarists of all-time (Mike Campbell) with two of the best female rock vocalists of all-time (Stevie and Christine). Wow, this could be good.

jamesp posted:

Neil is a mercurial beast - which is what makes him so good! Taste is, of course - subjective ---Fleetwood Mac is one of those bands that always made me reach for the "off" button! 

I've gone back to re-listen to a lot of their hits, and my impression is that Fleetwood Ma can often create an incredible chorus -- Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, etc. -- but the verses are often barely anything of interest, lyrically or musically. Just feels like marking time until you get back to the fantastic chorus.

Neil has always been more balanced, with his verses usually being just as catchy and meaningful as the chorus.

I hope this goes well for him, and as a band of people singing and playing I'm sure FM are excellent, and this current incarnation should certainly uphold that. It's just that after hearing them on the radio my whole life, then finally trying to dig a little deeper, I'm not quite seeing what the hype is with this band.

slowpogo posted:
jamesp posted:

Neil is a mercurial beast - which is what makes him so good! Taste is, of course - subjective ---Fleetwood Mac is one of those bands that always made me reach for the "off" button! 

I've gone back to re-listen to a lot of their hits, and my impression is that Fleetwood Ma can often create an incredible chorus -- Go Your Own Way, Don't Stop, etc. -- but the verses are often barely anything of interest, lyrically or musically. Just feels like marking time until you get back to the fantastic chorus.

Neil has always been more balanced, with his verses usually being just as catchy and meaningful as the chorus.

I hope this goes well for him, and as a band of people singing and playing I'm sure FM are excellent, and this current incarnation should certainly uphold that. It's just that after hearing them on the radio my whole life, then finally trying to dig a little deeper, I'm not quite seeing what the hype is with this band.

I guess I'm in a good position to enjoy the news that Neil is joining the Mac as Neil and Fleetwood Mac are two of my favorite artists of all-time.

Neil Finn has many greats "singles" and also dozens of incredible deep cuts to discover. I still remember the day I discovered Neil’s obscure song “Blue Hotel”, which is now one of my favorite songs. And “Guiding Star”. And “Ray of Hope”.  So many Neil Finn hidden gems out there to discover.  Sort of like finding a secret treasure that you can then share with your friends and family or keep to yourself to savor. 

Same with Fleetwood Mac. They have the great hits, but they also have literally dozens of incredible obscure songs to discover.  One as good as the next.  "Sisters of The Moon", "Storms", "Carousel", "Have No Heart", "Circle Dance", "Beauty & The Beast" are just a few of the obscure Fleetwood Mac and solo artist gems out there ... with "Sisters of The Moon" probably being one of my favorite songs of all-time.

Obviously music is subjective, but here are my favorite Fleetwood Mac “hits” and rarities.  These are songs that should appeal to those who love all things Neil Finn.  Perhaps this isn't "the end" but rather the beginning of a wonderful Fleetwood Mac journey. Enjoy!

 

The Chain

Sisters of The Moon

Little Lies

Gypsy

Lady From The Mountains

Circle Dance

Everywhere

Have No Heart

Beauty & The Beast

Sara

Castaway

Say You Love Me

Landslide

Got A Hold On Me

Gold Dust Woman

As Long As You Follow

Crystal

Dial The Number

Beautiful Child

Think About Me

You Make Loving Fun

Sleeping Angel

The Second Time

Dreams

Over My Head

Rhiannon

Over & Over

Italian Summer

Edge of Seventeen

Over & Over

Black Magic Woman

Hold Me

Trouble

Kind of Woman

Second Hand News

If You Were My Love

Walk A Thin Line

Smile At You

God’s Garden

Hard Advice

Thrown Down

I'm So Afraid

Never Forget

Monday Morning

Never Make Me Cry

Storms

Illume

Carousel

Never Forget

Go Your Own Way

It Takes Time

World Turning

Mabel Normand

Don't Stop

If You Ever Did Believe

Silver Springs

Annabel Lee

Fireflies

Songbird

Lady

Belle Fleur 

Goodbye Baby

Battle of The Dragon

Planets of The Universe

 

 

 

The average length of time between Neil Finn albums is 35 months or about 3 years. Lightsleeper represents Neil's quickest turnaround yet, coming out just 11 months after Out of Silence. Clearly Lightsleeper is well below average, it was a long 43 months between Dizzy Heights (2014) and Out of Silence (2017) - the longest Neil has ever taken between records.

Pajama Club was also well below average, coming out just 15 months after Intriguer. So, sometimes Neil beats his own average but, especially after releasing two albums in two years, I think it's likely we're in for a big dry spout. Not to mention the impact of putting his work on hold for the Fleetwood Mac tour.

The law of averages says the next Neil Finn penned album is due Summer 2021. Outside chance that it comes earlier in 2021, but 2020 seems unlikely. Whenever it drops, let's hope it's a Crowded House album! As much as I love all this music, I think it will be time by then to put the band back together (again).

Paināporo posted:

The average length of time between Neil Finn albums is 35 months or about 3 years...

Interesting! Not 100% convinced on your maths though at this stage. I reckon it would be a lot shorter than that.

What album do you consider the first true Neil Finn album? True Colours? See Ya Round? Crowded House?

Paināporo posted:

Lightsleeper represents Neil's quickest turnaround yet, coming out just 11 months after Out of Silence.

I counted just 6 months between One Nil (April 2001) and Rain (October 2001).

Not sure if you're counting Rain but as far as I'm concerned it's as fully-fledged of a Neil Finn studio album as anything else.

Also just 9 months between The Sun Came Out and Intriguer, if you want to consider The Sun Came Out in the mix that is. As far as Neil's contributions go, it's probably more of an EP.

But then again as far as his Split Enz, Finn Brothers and Neil & Liam Finn projects go, you could argue Neil's contributions are also effectively EP-length, with him contributing only around 50% of the songwriting and vocal duties.

And could Woodface count as two records when you take into account the fact that with all songs considered it could have easily been a double album?

So many questions... haha

Paināporo posted:

it was a long 43 months between Dizzy Heights (2014) and Out of Silence (2017) - the longest Neil has ever taken between records.

Since you don't appear to be counting Rain, and would exclude One All (since it's effectively a re-release of One Nil) then the 39 weeks between One Nil and Everyone Is Here also comes close, as does the 35 weeks between Temple of Low Men and Woodface and 35 weeks again for Time on Earth and Intriguer.

Anyway great analysis, it makes for some interesting reading!

I hope this answers your questions. "Major" releases are highlighted in yellow and averaged in the far right column. The length of time between all releases is calculated in the the left Months column. I did not go back to Split Enz because, at most, those were Neil Finn EPs, not full fledged Neil Finn albums.

One could endlessly debate the decisions made here, but I'm comfortable with them. So, yeah, 35.1 months between each major release on average and 20.4 months on average between all releases.

Paināporo posted:

The average length of time between Neil Finn albums is 35 months or about 3 years. Lightsleeper represents Neil's quickest turnaround yet, coming out just 11 months after Out of Silence. Clearly Lightsleeper is well below average, it was a long 43 months between Dizzy Heights (2014) and Out of Silence (2017) - the longest Neil has ever taken between records.

Pajama Club was also well below average, coming out just 15 months after Intriguer. So, sometimes Neil beats his own average but, especially after releasing two albums in two years, I think it's likely we're in for a big dry spout. Not to mention the impact of putting his work on hold for the Fleetwood Mac tour.

The law of averages says the next Neil Finn penned album is due Summer 2021. Outside chance that it comes earlier in 2021, but 2020 seems unlikely. Whenever it drops, let's hope it's a Crowded House album! As much as I love all this music, I think it will be time by then to put the band back together (again).

I believe Neil recently said that he and Tim have already written almost an album's worth of songs for a future Finn Brothers album.

Sugar Mouse posted:
Paināporo posted:

The average length of time between Neil Finn albums is 35 months or about 3 years. Lightsleeper represents Neil's quickest turnaround yet, coming out just 11 months after Out of Silence. Clearly Lightsleeper is well below average, it was a long 43 months between Dizzy Heights (2014) and Out of Silence (2017) - the longest Neil has ever taken between records.

Pajama Club was also well below average, coming out just 15 months after Intriguer. So, sometimes Neil beats his own average but, especially after releasing two albums in two years, I think it's likely we're in for a big dry spout. Not to mention the impact of putting his work on hold for the Fleetwood Mac tour.

The law of averages says the next Neil Finn penned album is due Summer 2021. Outside chance that it comes earlier in 2021, but 2020 seems unlikely. Whenever it drops, let's hope it's a Crowded House album! As much as I love all this music, I think it will be time by then to put the band back together (again).

I believe Neil recently said that he and Tim have already written almost an album's worth of songs for a future Finn Brothers album.

It sounded to me like they were writing a musical. Not sure about another FB album, but would love it.

Oh my, the stats! So many stats haha. 

I felt disappointed that Neil didn’t bring Out of Silence to Melbourne.

The Fleetwood Mac thang was definitely a curve ball for me. I have only heard the radio hits so will give Sugar Mouse’s list a listen.

One of the things I find inspiring about Neil is his willingness to take risks, whether it’s improvising a song on stage, or joining some soft rock 70s band for a tour haha.

We can get so possessive about bands. They are families unto themselves. Businesses too. 

I like the fact that joining Fleetwood Mac was a curve ball, I don't care too much about the tour but I'm glad they're including some Neil songs in it, what I would like from them is a new album.  That would be genuinely interesting, having Neil's work as part of a well known band that includes 2 other songwriters and has a big history. 

Like many here I hadn't paid much attention to FM and Neil joining made me go out and buy copies of Rumours and Tusk, which are pretty good albums. There are many FM fans that are not happy about Buckingham's departure and have little to no awareness of who Neil is. Interesting times.

 

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