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Such a nostalgic listen today on Fangradio - Woodface, particularly, the first Crowded House album I really recall. But without Paul? Tim? Even Mark, who contributed to the album... I felt an absence...

I agree there is an absence as the sound is very different.  But we have to acknowledge there is a new sound.  Don't you think.  Neil's voice is different but it's Neil.  More lower and mature.  Nick's voice not as high and more mellow but still sounds almost the same  The new difference is Liam and Elroy.  And that's ok.  Right?   It is Crowded House as it's Neil and Nick. Liam and Elroy grew up breathing and eating Crowded House so with time there is change.  With change there must be a newness.  I like what I'm hearing but I agree the nostalgia is what brings me back to a time where things were easier, life was freer and the air was clearer

What I've been wondering recently, with all the personnel changes over the years - and with reference to this thread's subject line - is who came up with the band's name?

I know it was agreed upon in LA when the original lads were in cramped accommodation - but with many fans saying thoughts along the lines of "It's Neil's Crowded House, he can have who he wants in it" it made me wonder if it was actually Neil who came up with the name  - and therefore his to do with as he pleases. I remember years ago a discussion on who legally owns the name but I can't remember the answer! I know we often cite many other bands who have had such significant changes - sometimes even total changes! - and yet still the label / name is used.

It's an interesting question! And is it a moral dilemma or a legal one?

I think there is a general consensus that as Neil wrote the songs he "owns" the name - I wonder if that is legally how it works though.

Doesn't really seem a legal issue to me. There have been many legal battles over the years over band names (Beach Boys, Pink Floyd, Little River Band), but I don't hear anyone else claiming Crowded House.

Look, I don't always like line-up changes, and totally understand the feeling on this board, particularly in regards to Mark, but line-ups do change. And it IS Neil's band, no matter what anyone says.

Just enjoy having new Neil music, no matter how he deigns to brand it.

Doesn't really seem a legal issue to me. There have been many legal battles over the years over band names (Beach Boys, Pink Floyd, Little River Band), but I don't hear anyone else claiming Crowded House.



I guess it would take someone wanting to use the name "Crowded House" to make it a legal issue. As you say, it's happened in the past. In fact, Neil and Tim had to stop calling themselves Finn and become Finn Brothers because of a legal ruling brought by a previous artist called Finn.

What is Crowded House? A band, a brand, a superannuation fund?

I would think that that it’s all of the above, and perhaps more.

I really enjoyed the Woodface performance. I do feel that the Tim-Neil compositions require harmonies which give equal weight to both voices, particularly in It’s Only Natural and How Will You Go, where Liam is required to sing the melody.

Even when Paul Hester was singing on It’s Only Natural, I felt that his voice was a bit too low in the mix.

What I've been wondering recently, with all the personnel changes over the years - and with reference to this thread's subject line - is who came up with the band's name?

According to Chris Bourke's book (page 79)

"They even went to the local library to find a solution [the name]. Looking through books at random, Neil came across a phase which was suitable for the album's title. It seemed to reflect the lifestyle they'd been leading: Crowded House...."

So it appears the band's name was Neil's idea.

Such a nostalgic listen today on Fangradio - Woodface, particularly, the first Crowded House album I really recall. But without Paul? Tim? Even Mark, who contributed to the album... I felt an absence...

I only heard/saw the 'Whispers and Moans' which was put on YouTube.

I don't actually have the Woodface album (the five songs from the Recurring Dream greatest hits is sufficient for me) so I don't get to hear the studio version as much as recorded live versions of the song. And because of that, wow it sounded soo different!!! Because from 1990s onwards, Crowded House never replicated the song exactly (underline/bold that word a few times) to the album version.

Even the different keyboard notes from Mitchell (whom I'm sure played the song exactly key to key from the album) to Mark (just made subtle background sound so Neil's guitar could be the main focus). Fans can decide what they preferred.

Sorry, in my rattling I'm trying to say noticing an absence too. But from how they played live, not from the original studio version.

@Left Hand posted:

I only heard/saw the 'Whispers and Moans' which was put on YouTube.

I don't actually have the Woodface album (the five songs from the Recurring Dream greatest hits is sufficient for me) so I don't get to hear the studio version as much as recorded live versions of the song. And because of that, wow it sounded soo different!!! Because from 1990s onwards, Crowded House never replicated the song exactly (underline/bold that word a few times) to the album version.

Even the different keyboard notes from Mitchell (whom I'm sure played the song exactly key to key from the album) to Mark (just made subtle background sound so Neil's guitar could be the main focus). Fans can decide what they preferred.

Sorry, in my rattling I'm trying to say noticing an absence too. But from how they played live, not from the original studio version.

Woodface is well worth listening to from start to finish, with excellent album tracks like Fame Is, As Sure As I Am, She Goes On and How Will You Go.

I first heard some of the songs live, at Ausmusic Day, then on a Triple M interview/performance around May 1991.

I became very attached to those spirited acoustic renditions of Chocolate Cake, It’s Only Natural, Fall at Your Feet and There Goes God.

When the record came out, it took me a long time to warm up to the relatively subdued album versions.

I love the warm, familial vibe of this fangradio performance. But I don’t think Liam’s voice is strong enough to really do the Finn Bros. songs justice. Maybe if it had more weight in the mix, that would make a difference.

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@Left Hand posted:

According to Chris Bourke's book (page 79)

"They even went to the local library to find a solution [the name]. Looking through books at random, Neil came across a phase which was suitable for the album's title. It seemed to reflect the lifestyle they'd been leading: Crowded House...."

So it appears the band's name was Neil's idea.

I thought it was meant to be the name of the first album before it became the bands name ?

@Annie99999 posted:

I agree there is an absence as the sound is very different.  But we have to acknowledge there is a new sound.  Don't you think.  Neil's voice is different but it's Neil.  More lower and mature.  Nick's voice not as high and more mellow but still sounds almost the same  The new difference is Liam and Elroy.  And that's ok.  Right?   It is Crowded House as it's Neil and Nick. Liam and Elroy grew up breathing and eating Crowded House so with time there is change.  With change there must be a newness.  I like what I'm hearing but I agree the nostalgia is what brings me back to a time where things were easier, life was freer and the air was clearer

I don't actually hear Neils voice being any lower at all - the range is till there as far as I can hear . It maybe sounds a little "thinner" to me ?

This line up is completely valid as Crowded House . 2 of the original trio plus the producer that played keys on the first 3 albums ( as well as shaping quite a few of the songs) . It's the line up I would totally have got if Mark Hart had said he no longer wanted to be in the band. The thing is , he didn't want to leave - so other than "it's Neils band - he can do what he wants " ... I don't get it . But , it's most definitely Crowded House.

Whats' with the 3 backing singers on the TV show though ?! Since when did CH need backing singers ?!

@slowpogo posted:

to be fair, they are at the mercy of how they are mixed by the engineer

The levels aren’t usually as much of a problem as eq/effects/etc. You set up a lead vocal very differently than a backing vocal. For things like Natural and WWY, you want both vocals treated more or less the same way. Whereas when Mark or Liam or whoever take those parts, their mics are in backing mode, eq’d and reverb’d to blend in and avoid stepping on the lead vocal, and CH engineers have generally not opted to try and recalibrate that on the fly mid-show.

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