I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a release in the US or Canada.  I think it is unlikely that will happen.  I just received my copy today.  The DVD does play on my computer but not in my DVD player.  I kind of expected that.  I haven't tried the Blu-ray but I would expect the same results.  The only problem is that I can't play Blu-ray on my computer.  I am hoping to someday find the means to be able to do that.  I am also enjoying the CD version.

 

Info about the region issue was posted on Neil's website.  Here's the link from and the info.

 

I live in the US and am patiently waiting for my copy to arrive.

 

http://neilfinn.com/2013/10/ne...kelly-goin-your-way/

 

"Please note that Going’ Your Way will be released in Australia and New Zealand only, but the site above ships internationally.
The DVD and Blu-Ray are both Region free. Customers in US, Canada, Japan and other NTSC countries should check that your player and TV can handle the PAL 50 hz frame rate (1080/50i for the Blu-Ray)."

WTF, DVD is region 4 and won't play on my DVD player (I live in US). It will will play on my computer but only if I switch it to region 4 and get message that I can only switch regions 3 more times!

Will someday upgrade to multi-region blu-ray dvd player, so guess I can at least look forward to that...

I am in the US and this will not play for me either.

 

This is weird because while my player plays both NTSC and PAL "region free" DVDs with no further hassle, it also lets me play PAL DVDs from other regions (i.e., the discs are not region free) by typing in a code on my remote.  This works perfectly fine for me with other DVDs (including a brand new release from the UK - region 2), but not with this one.  I get the "Check Region Code" message (as I do with all DVDs from other regions - which tells me this disc is NOT region free), but entering the code that always works to get around that does not help.

 

Something seems really wrong here.

 

Bummer.  That was an awful lot of money to spend on a drink coaster.  

Originally Posted by brownie:

I am in the US and this will not play for me either.

 

This is weird because while my player plays both NTSC and PAL "region free" DVDs with no further hassle, it also lets me play PAL DVDs from other regions (i.e., the discs are not region free) by typing in a code on my remote.  This works perfectly fine for me with other DVDs (including a brand new release from the UK - region 2), but not with this one.  I get the "Check Region Code" message (as I do with all DVDs from other regions - which tells me this disc is NOT region free), but entering the code that always works to get around that does not help.

 

Something seems really wrong here.

 

Bummer.  That was an awful lot of money to spend on a drink coaster.  

 

Did you try your computer?  It works on mine but I have had to leave my computer DVD drive in region 4.  It sucks but it works for me since the only DVDs that I play on my computer are the non-NA ones.  Something to consider I guess.

 

Originally Posted by amjfrenz:
Did you try your computer?  It works on mine but I have had to leave my computer DVD drive in region 4.  It sucks but it works for me since the only DVDs that I play on my computer are the non-NA ones.  Something to consider I guess.


No, I haven't tried my computer, and I don't really want to.  I have previously experienced the thing mikelm cited about having only a certain number of times to change region code on the computer and don't want to screw that up.  I can't leave my computer DVD drive in region 4 because I don't typically play region 4 DVDs on my computer!

I have so many music DVDs from Australia that give me no issue (all the Finn/CH/Enz ones plus a Hoodoo Gurus DVD I bought at a JB HiFi in Sydney), so I'm questioning why this one is such a problem.  I'm hoping I can find another workaround for this.

Reading through the posts here, it honestly sounds like a simple manufacturing fault to me. If the manufacturers scream "region free" yet frenz outside of Australia and New Zealand are having this kind of region troubles, it sounds as if something went haywire at the disc programming and burning stage of production.

 

It might just be the first batch of DVDs OR all the discs could be affected.

Thanks Brownie for sending email, I got sidetracked and didn't get around to it.  Does appear the consensus is that DVD definately is not region free.  Hopefully, getmusic will do the right thing and send replacement DVDs that will work to all of us in the US.

 

CDs are fantastic though and well-recorded. Personally, I appreciate the lack of between song chatter and crowd noise. A true classic and one of my new favorites.

Hope other folks get a speedier response from Getmusic, I've emailed them three times this week to ask if my boxset has been posted, still no reply........

 

Are the DVDs and blurays working for anyone in the uk?

 

all a bit worrying after spending over 60 dollars...

Originally Posted by mikelm:
CDs are fantastic though and well-recorded. Personally, I appreciate the lack of between song chatter and crowd noise. A true classic and one of my new favorites.

I agree completely.  The CDs sound wonderful.   I love the version of Private Universe.  It reminds me very much of the version I heard the other night in NYC.
Originally Posted by finnmatt:

 Are the DVDs and blurays working for anyone in the uk?

 

all a bit worrying after spending over 60 dollars...

 

Can't vouch for whether the discs will work in UK (I'm in Oz) however I do understand where you are coming from with the cost of purchase and shipping. (Just this day I discovered the entire remastered three-seasons of a fave TV show on iTunes is on offer for $30 AUD per season... I paid $330 AUD a little over 2yrs ago to ship the exact same show on DVD from the States!)

 

IF it is found to be a manufacturing fault, then everyone who purchased a copy SHOULD be covered under any "return/refund" clause of sale.

 

If not, then I'm afraid that non-Australasian residents will be forced to invest in multi regional players. Even that might turn out to be an expensive experiment.

 

EDITED TO ADD: Why regional codes can't be set to 0/ABC for everybody is something I'll never understand. It doesn't stop DVD piracy - all it does is makes it harder for people who want to legally purchase a product that is not genuinely available in their territory. After dipping into money that I cannot spare to spend, I would expect the purchased product to work in my player(s) too. 

From what I have read in different places, Get Music told more than a few people (myself included) that the dvd and blu rays could be played in ANY country (which turns out to be not true) and they are also failing to respond to people's messages.

 

Poor customer care/service on their part indeed 

For what it's worth, the DVD is listed as Region 4 on chaos.com for the DVD-only release.  It does not specify any region code for the deluxe set, although I would assume it is the same DVD put in a different box.

 

That still doesn't explain why this DVD does not play in my player, which plays everything else I have thrown at it that is NOT "region free."

 

I sent that email to getmusic on a weekend.  I don't expect to hear (if at all) till next week.

 

I'm certainly not going to return the whole thing, as the CDs work perfectly.  Although I will be very disappointed if this DVD issue does not get resolved.

I'm hopeful musicglue will make good on their "snafu".  If I didn't get go to Neil's  NY showcase, I might be a wee bit more annoyed.  Just feeling inconvenience with DVD issue.  I can't imagine Neil Finn will allow such a mistake to not be erradicated.  Time will tell.  (In the mean time, please look for my modest pics of Neil and Liam on The Finn Brothers Appreciation Society Group page or Twitter:  #neilfinn and #liamfinn.)

 

 

I just received my Deluxe Edition yesterday and have the same problems. The Blu Ray and DVD do not work on my Blu Ray player. I'm sure they work on my computer but I was looking forward to watching it on a larger screen, not a computer. Cd's both work and sound great. Just really annoying to spend all that money to have it not work despite claims that it's region free.

Has anybody gotten any reply yet from getmusic.com.au? (It's already Tue in Aus). That website still indicates "This format of 'Goin’ Your Way’ is Region 0 (Region Free)" when clearly it's not. Any way to escalate this Jaffaman? Really hope something is done to rectify this...

I've just checked the FAQ page of the getmusic.com.au website. Someone has rather angrily posted about this on their questions page.

 

Apparently an employee of the company has answered the question there. It is region free but is strictly restricted to the PAL format and not compatible with the NTSC setup.

 

Page can be found here: http://support.getmusic.com.au..._are_not_region_free

 

If that was the case, then wouldn't the DVD versions work in US/Canadian frenz's computers? (modern versions excluded but surely older computers should play it)

 

If however the PAL/NTSC compatibility is the problem here, then frenz in UK shouldn't have any issues.

 

I have not yet received a reply from getmusic.

 

This disc is NOT region free.  If it were region free PAL format, I could play it!  I have dozens and dozens of such DVDs.  (Even if it is NOT region free PAL format, I should be able to play it with the player I have!)

I received my deluxe edition today and was sad to find that neither the DVD nor Bluray will play on any of my players or computers.  I emailed the company ahead of time to confirm that the Bluray would be playable, to which they responded:

 

"Thanks for getting in touch!  This Bluray is Region 0 (region free) and can be played on Bluray players from anywhere.  Best wishes, S @ Getmusic"

 

So, I have emailed asking for the full refund and for the company to cover the cost of return shipping.  It's disappointing, but they clearly made a mistake when they said it could be played anywhere.  Now I just want my money back.  I'll let you know how it goes.

 

Add me to the list of sad pandas, tried the DVD Saturday night and just kept getting "wrong region" on my NTSC/PAL-compatible dvd player. I haven't tried it yet in the computer, but remain hopeful... The CDs are so delightful that I don't feel completely ripped off but definitely disappointed. I just wish the whole "region" crap were nonexistent, I don't see the point in this intertwined global community.

Originally Posted by mmart1:

I bought the deluxe box and had no problem at all playing the blu-ray disc here in the US.  I've got an Oppo blu-ray player.  I haven't tried the DVD yet.  I'll give it a spin tonight. 

 

P.S. The blu-ray looks and sounds great!

Wow, so we all need to do to enjoy this product is buy a $500 Blu-ray player?  Well, sign me up!

 

http://www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP...lu-ray/dp/B009LRR5AQ 

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

Wow, so we all need to do to enjoy this product is buy a $500 Blu-ray player?  Well, sign me up!

 

http://www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP...lu-ray/dp/B009LRR5AQ 


I'm sure other players will handle it.  What brand player do you have?  Have you installed the most recent firmware? 

 

I'm actually quite curious as to what is going on.  I don't think blu-rays have a PAL or NTSC encoding, and the disc is region free, so there must be some other issue.  I've looked around in a couple technical forums and found this: "Some 1080i content can be 50hz and won't play on many US players. Some select units can convert the 50hz to 60hz, but most don't."  Again, I found this on a random forum, so this could be incorrect as well, but it may point to the issue with the blu-ray.

 

Blu-ray player firmware can cause issues with disc playback as well.  The firmware (in the player) allows the software (the blu-ray disc) to be played.  http://hdguru.com/blu-ray-play...ware-upgrade-issues/

 

Again, I'll test the DVD tonight.  Haven't had reason to pop that in yet.

How ridiculous to put a region code block on a DVD that is only going to be made available in Aus/NZ.  The only point of the region code is to enable staggered release of a DVD across different regions.  That makes sense for general release movies etc.-   but no sense at all for a music DVD with a limited market - especially one which the record company/distributors have already confirmed will only ever be released in Aus/NZ.

 

Getmusic have clearly screwed up here and should own up to their mistake and provide full refunds for folks in North America who have forked out for this.

I received a reply from Getmusic:

 

"Hi Adam,
Thanks for getting in touch!  Our apologies for the issue with the region coding of this title. Please be aware we are working on a solution at this time and will update you shortly.

Best wishes,
T @ Getmusic Team"

For those struggling to play a Region 4 DVD, you might want to try the VLC media player. VLC is an open source freeware cross-platform media player which will play pretty much any type of media you throw at it on a computer. It will certainly play DVDs from any region without prompting you to change the DVD or computer's region code.

So if you want to play the DVD on your computer, head over to:

http://www.videolan.org/

and check it out. I discovered this application several years ago and it is now my de facto standard media player on my Windows PCs...

As for the PAL versus NTSC issue, as a Brit living in the US, I do know that most UK DVD players and TVs can play NTSC-encoded content without any problems, but that in general US-purchased equipment does not/cannot play PAL-encoded media.

I think this is probably because there's so much more interest in the UK in purchasing and watching US-derived/sourced content. In the US there seems to be very little interest in (or even awareness of) British content...(not trying to be rude here, just making an observation). I have a bunch of PAL DVD content (BBC stuff, mostly), so I bought a $40 Philips DVD player on amazon,com which can play both PAL and NTSC content, and can be set to play discs from any region. So for those in the US, this may be option if you can spring for that... Here's a link to a more recent model than mine:

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-...Player/dp/B004BI6MVS

It does sound as though the company marketing this DVD has been a little careless in its assertions that it's Region Free, but if you are stuck with the purchase, I hope that one or both of these notes will help you at least be able to play what you paid for!!

Hope some of this helps!

It is very easy to burn DVDs and Blu-rays without checking to see first if the programmer has overridden the regional code block. And we all know that once the content is burnt to the disc, its too late at that stage to correct any errors in programming.

 

Still, can't help but feeling that the company should have enough sense to have admitted the error long before now.

Originally Posted by Steve Bodd:

For those struggling to play a Region 4 DVD, you might want to try the VLC media player. VLC is an open source freeware cross-platform media player which will play pretty much any type of media you throw at it on a computer. It will certainly play DVDs from any region without prompting you to change the DVD or computer's region code.

So if you want to play the DVD on your computer, head over to:

http://www.videolan.org/

and check it out. I discovered this application several years ago and it is now my de facto standard media player on my Windows PCs...

As for the PAL versus NTSC issue, as a Brit living in the US, I do know that most UK DVD players and TVs can play NTSC-encoded content without any problems, but that in general US-purchased equipment does not/cannot play PAL-encoded media.

I think this is probably because there's so much more interest in the UK in purchasing and watching US-derived/sourced content. In the US there seems to be very little interest in (or even awareness of) British content...(not trying to be rude here, just making an observation). I have a bunch of PAL DVD content (BBC stuff, mostly), so I bought a $40 Philips DVD player on amazon,com which can play both PAL and NTSC content, and can be set to play discs from any region. So for those in the US, this may be option if you can spring for that... Here's a link to a more recent model than mine:

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-...Player/dp/B004BI6MVS

It does sound as though the company marketing this DVD has been a little careless in its assertions that it's Region Free, but if you are stuck with the purchase, I hope that one or both of these notes will help you at least be able to play what you paid for!!

Hope some of this helps!


Thanks, Steve.  That worked beautifully.  I can even play my Enz with a Bang DVD.  Great!!!

 

Originally Posted by amjfrenz:
Now, you guys are really beginning to scare me.  What exactly is going wrong.  When I tried it yesterday, it seemed to be working for me.  I even tried it with my "Out of the Bag" and "Split Enz" dvds and they seemed to work fine too.

But didn't you say in a previous post on this thread that you leave your computer DVD drive in region 4?  That's probably why it plays for you.

Hi,

 

I'm very sorry that some of you are having problems with VLC after I gave it such a rave review...I have never had any issues, but when I saw some of the replies above I felt a little nervous that I'd passed on some bad advice, so I thought some Googling would be in order... Herewith, a couple of links which may help:

 

http://mergy.org/2010/09/using...or-dvd-region-codes/ and

http://www.rightnowintech.com/...on-code-on-your.html

 

In the second of these, the author does note that:

 

"Either it may play, or it may seem like it is not doing anything at all.

Don't worry if it doesn't. Wait for a few minutes. As mentioned in the answer in the FAQ above, the player may require some time to decode the stuff or something. Go take a break from your computer. Help yourself to something. Celebrate. You have finally found a way to play all your DVDs on your computer.

After some time, return to your computer and check. Your movie may be waiting for you. If it does not work, sorry. Your celebration was a waste for now. You need to find a different way. Maybe you can get an external DVD drive or something."

 

I have seen this happen too - sometimes it takes a while for VLC to read the DVD and decrypt it before it starts to play. Maybe as much as 20 - 30 seconds, maybe even longer.

 

So... Yes, it does look like I was, perhaps, over-optimistic that it could always play everything... sorry about that. But I would say that it may be worth waiting for a while to see whether the player can play the disk after some period of drive access...even if it doesn't leap into life immediately.

 

Good luck!

 

Steve

 

 

If I want to watch the live show on my computer that badly, I'll just go to the youtube page.  =)

 

I bought this collection so that I could pop a bluray in my player anytime and enjoy a hi-def experience mixed in 5.1.  I'm hopeful the company will send out corrected disks, as they indicated they are working on a solution to the problem.

 

Incidentally, the deluxe version is really quite beautifully put together.  I hope GetMusic can figure out the disk problems so I don't have to send it back.

Same response, different day. Not complicated problem, should be easy solution...

 

Hi Michael,

 
Thanks for getting in touch!
 
Please note the title is region-free, however it is PAL formatted which is where the incompatibility issues arise from.
 
Our sincerest apologies for the problem with the formatting of this title. 

Please be aware we are working on a solution at this time and will update you shortly. 

Best wishes, 

T @ Getmusic Team

I have emailed Get Music twice and have yet to receive a response from them.

 

I'm guessing fixing this mistake while easy to do will be costly to them; and I have no idea of the side the company or their financial situation--perhaps they are just waiting for the powers that be to make a decision on what to do.  Doesn't make waiting on our end as the consumer any less frustrating.  I'm giving Get Music a big thumbs down on the customer service response realm.  Just my thoughts.

 

 

 

I sympathize with everyone in the NTSC formatted territories who cannot get their copies to work. Sadly, more than 80% of discs manufactured in Australia are automatically formatted to PAL during the making of the actual disc. 

 

Fixing the PAL/NTSC compatibility is not only a costly exercise, but on the professional level, it is also a very time consuming one as well. Get Music now need to find a new programmer who is able to change the format at the cheapest viable price. 

 

While frustrating, fans in the US and Canada will have to be patient. We are also coming into Christmas and New Year: that as most would know can have a huge effect on business as some companies close down for the holidays.

 

I'm not defending the company in anyway but right now, hounding them with emails about this seems futile to me simply because it is December already and many businesses are dealing with the holiday season rush.

 

If nothing has been rectified or sorted out by the end of January, then hound the company with emails.

I haven't read a reply from anyone in the UK or Europe re this issue,

maybe someone could back this up?

 

My box arrived last night, the bluray works fine, the dvd does not.

All my DVD players say the region is incorrect. Given that my player and tv are PAL standard, this does not seem to be a PAL/NTSC issue at all! simply that the disc is NOT region free.

 

Mistakes happen, but Getmusic really need to get their finger out on this, not replying to emails etc is really poor service, they've also been telling folks for over a week that they are working on the issue, it should be pretty easy to sort.

Either offer a refund, or give an assurance that new discs will be sent sometime soon.

 

I haven't had a reply to my email either, so have tried again tonight. Have also informed Universal.

 

While it looks very much like the DVD is Zone 4, I haven't been able to tell from posts here whether the Blu-Ray is Region free or Region B. Either way, the Blu-Ray should play fine in the UK, as Matt's discovered.

The PAL/NTSC thing shouldn't even be an issue for Blurays.  As I understand it, Blurays don't have a PAL/NTSC format, only DVDs.  The issue is that both the Blurays and the DVDs are NOT region free.  I have plenty of PAL DVDs and they all play fine in my computer and DVD players here in the US.

Per Wikipedia: According to the Blu-ray Disc Association, "all Blu-ray Disc players...(and) Blu-ray Disc-equipped computer systems are required to support regional coding." However, "Use of region playback codes is optional for content providers..."Some current estimates suggest 70% of available [movie] Blu-ray Discs from the major studios are region-code-free and can therefore be played on any Blu-ray Disc player, in any region.

 

The bottom-line appears to be that neither the DVDs or Blu-Ray Discs are region free, contrary to what was stated by Getmusic for Deluxe Edition.

I have not heard back from the email I sent over a week ago, so I just sent another explaining we have deduced that the DVD is in fact coded for Region 4 when it was promoted as region-free.  I also told them that PAL vs. NTSC is not my issue, as I have many PAL DVD's that work just fine.

 

Let's see if I get a response this time.  I specifically asked for a replacement DVD that works.

I only got my hands on a deluxe copy yesterday (had to order it in) and just stuck the DVD into my laptop... it is registering as Region 4 PAL. Hit change region code button just to see what would come up and sure enough - it came up as Region 4.

 

Positive proof now that it is definitely without a single doubt, a regional code problem and not an PAL/NTSC problem.

 

BTW: The Blu-ray shows not a sign of Region B restrictions (and my Bond 007 movies that are Blu-ray are restricted and they also have a dirty big "B" written across them).

 

Yes, people can use this post of mine as ammo to fight back with as far as Getmusic is concerned (I am in Australia) but remember, hounding Getmusic with emails at this time of year can only make the situation worse so give them a bit more time.

Well...an instant response this time:

 

"Hi Joyce,
 
Thanks for getting in touch!
 
Our deepest apologies for the incompatibility issues with the formatting of this item.
 
Please be aware we are currently working on a solution for this problem and will update everyone affected as soon as possible.
 
Best wishes,
 

T @ Getmusic Team"

 

I think they know they screwed up.  I'm willing to wait and let them sort it out.

 
Originally Posted by Steve Bodd:
I have a bunch of PAL DVD content (BBC stuff, mostly), so I bought a $40 Philips DVD player on amazon,com which can play both PAL and NTSC content, and can be set to play discs from any region. So for those in the US, this may be option if you can spring for that... Here's a link to a more recent model than mine:

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-...Player/dp/B004BI6MVS




This works!

$50, including shipping.  And I didn't have to set anything.  It plays absolutely anything, from any region, right out of the box.

(For what it's worth, I had to buy a new TV a couple of weeks ago - old one died-, and my old multiregion DVD player was jury-rigged to the new TV with a bunch of converters, so I had to upgrade anyway.)

Thanks Steve!

Did anyone else see this on their site ?

 

Sorry to be a doubting Thomas but I did wonder if it was 'really' them responding at first

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please note the customer service email is only manned 3 days per week. 

We are in the process of organising region free burns for all customers affected by this issue. Please advise if you would like a playable copy, and which format, or if you would prefer to pursue a refund. 

Best wishes, 

T @ Getmusic Team

 

 

http://support.getmusic.com.au/getmusic/topics/supposed_region_free_dvd_and_blu_ray_recieved_in_canada_are_not_region_free?utm_content=reply_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification#reply_13492024

 

Universal finally has responded by issuing full refund (even though did not request, and would have preferred playable DVDs), but at least a decent solution:

"Universal Music Australia just sent you a full refund of $68.59 AUD for your purchase.

If you have any questions about this refund, please contact Universal Music Australia.

The refund will go to your PayPal account.

To see all the transaction details, please log into your PayPal account. It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account."

Merchant information
Universal Music Australia
contact@getmusic.com.au
http://www.getmusic.com.au
+61 292070500 x602
Note from merchant
None provided
 

 

I received the same refund/email this morning.  Of course I would have preferred playable DVDs.  But it's Christmas time and all is water under the bridge.  I'll give them another chance in the future should there be any other Finn related merchandise for sale.  Hoping getmusic.com.au will have the region code solved by then!

 

Now, do I accept the refund in USD or AUD?  I'm thinking AUD since Peter Green and the fanclub always have goodies for sale.  (My NeilFinn/CrowdedHouse/TimFinn/SplitEnz rainy day fund.) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did they only send this email to those who had contacted them about the DVD issue?  I haven't received an email from them, but I had not contacted them about this issue.  I was waiting to see how they responded to those who did.  I too would prefer a corrected DVD rather than a refund.

amifrenz, you can always send off an email requesting a workable replacement but don't expect an answer til after Christmas/New Year.

 

If they are handing out refunds as opposed to asking customers what they would prefer to do, it sounds as though Universal/EMI have decided NOT to correct the "NTSC/PAL Region 0/Region 4" issue. I hope I'm wrong.

 

It's an enjoyable show to watch and would be unfair to have NTSC frenz forced to miss out on this just because the record company couldn't get their act together.

The only option is a refund.

 

I received the following email yesterday:

 

"Hi there, 

 
Thank you for your patience while we worked with Paul Kelly and Neil Finn's team to find a solution to the region and format issue of your order. 
 
Unfortunately, we are unable to supply this product in your country's region or format. 
 
We will be actioning refunds immediately. 
Please do not hesitate to contact us should you have any queries around this, or for any further information. 
 
Once again, a big apologies from our team for any inconvenience or stress caused. 
 
Best, 

The Getmusic Team"

 

..........

 

I haven't actually received the refund yet, but I'm not going to pursue the issue since I was able to find a solution that allows me to watch the DVD.

I too am able to watch it on my computer but it appears that the DVD software does change my computer region code to 4 which I don't like. Neither Blu-ray or DVD works on my DVD and my Blu-ray player but I kind of anticipated that.  I am currently debating my options.  I know that there are companies out there that can duplicate a PAL format disc to NTSC format.  I may also look into that.

A friend of mine just reminded me of what happened once when we tried to burn a copy of the disc she'd had transferred from VHS to DVD. It was a video of one of our old high school projects. My old computer program changed the format of the content from PAL to NTSC. After burning, we'd tried the copy out on an old TV that was not NTSC compatible and the film rolled like crazy.I'd completely and totally forgot about that!

 

So, there used to be computer software that could do the job of changing formats but once again the region coding block could come into play there.

 

One thing's for sure.  Paul Kelly should never have been allowed to play rhythm guitar on "Don't Dream It's Over" or "Better Be Home Soon".  Both songs have a bit of what Neil and Tim have called the Maori strum.  As a guitarist myself, it took me a long time to get the rhythm right when I play those songs or "Weather With You", but if you can't do it the song just doesn't sound right.  Case in point, Paul Kelly's opening strum on "Don't Dream It's Over".  I would say it basically ruins the performance of the song.

 

I don't know why Neil insisted on playing piano during "Better Be Home Soon" and "Don't Dream It's Over", but I'm guessing it's because Paul Kelly wouldn't have had anything to do on those tracks if Neil played guitar (Paul Kelly is clearly not a piano player).

 

Has anyone else noticed this?

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

One thing's for sure.  Paul Kelly should never have been allowed to play rhythm guitar on "Don't Dream It's Over" or "Better Be Home Soon".  Both songs have a bit of what Neil and Tim have called the Maori strum.  As a guitarist myself, it took me a long time to get the rhythm right when I play those songs or "Weather With You", but if you can't do it the song just doesn't sound right.  Case in point, Paul Kelly's opening strum on "Don't Dream It's Over".  I would say it basically ruins the performance of the song.

 

I don't know why Neil insisted on playing piano during "Better Be Home Soon" and "Don't Dream It's Over", but I'm guessing it's because Paul Kelly wouldn't have had anything to do on those tracks if Neil played guitar (Paul Kelly is clearly not a piano player).

 

Has anyone else noticed this?

Yes I did notice it but when I think about Neil's missed notes in Message to My Girl, I can't really blame Mr. Kelly.

I did notice that they fixed Neil's bum note toward the end of "You Can Put Your Shoes Under My Bed".  His mistake there during the live performance completely undercut the emotional climax of the song.  Strange that they didn't feel the need to correct the mistakes on "Message to My Girl".  I guess you could just assume that those bum notes are just Neil trying to "jazz up" the song.

 

But there is a difference between Neil accidentally hitting the wrong notes and Paul Kelly just plain old not being capable of performing the Maori strum on acoustic guitar.  To be fair, you do have to practice it quite a bit and maybe he didn't have time.  Still, I think it was a misjudgement to perform the songs that way and even worse to actually release them.

What is it with people who expect a "note-perfect" performance from Neil.  Neil has never been "note-perfect".  That has always been what endeared me to Neil.  "His mistake there during the live performance completely undercut the emotional climax of the song."  So basically you are saying that one bum note ruined the entire song for you.  WOW!! I admit that I am not a musician so that may be why I barely noticed the mistakes but I would venture to say that not many in the audience probably noticed it either.  Good grief, have you seen some of the early Enz performances where Neil is just barely playing guitar.  Neil used to joke how they used to put his guitar low in the mix.  He is clearly now a much better guitar player then he was then.  So Neil made a mistake.  Well "Stop the Presses"!  Neil had trouble with his red guitar during the Toronto show, but like a little trooper he is he put on a big smile and carried on.  Remember Live Earth.  Well if that had been Axl Rose, he would have shouted "You Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  " I am not putting up with this Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  And then he would proceed to smash the mike on the ground and then walk off stage.  Well, that's not Neil and I love him for that.  Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by amjfrenz:

What is it with people who expect a "note-perfect" performance from Neil.  Neil has never been "note-perfect".  That has always been what endeared me to Neil.  "His mistake there during the live performance completely undercut the emotional climax of the song."  So basically you are saying that one bum note ruined the entire song for you.  WOW!! I admit that I am not a musician so that may be why I barely noticed the mistakes but I would venture to say that not many in the audience probably noticed it either.  Good grief, have you seen some of the early Enz performances where Neil is just barely playing guitar.  Neil used to joke how they used to put his guitar low in the mix.  He is clearly now a much better guitar player then he was then.  So Neil made a mistake.  Well "Stop the Presses"!  Neil had trouble with his red guitar during the Toronto show, but like a little trooper he is he put on a big smile and carried on.  Remember Live Earth.  Well if that had been Axl Rose, he would have shouted "You Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  " I am not putting up with this Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  And then he would proceed to smash the mike on the ground and then walk off stage.  Well, that's not Neil and I love him for that.  Just my two cents.

Neil makes plenty of mistakes when playing live and we're all very forgiving.  But it's another thing to release those mistakes on a professionally recorded and mastered album.  Clearly someone in charge agrees with that or else they would not have gone back and fixed the mistakes in "Shoes Under My Bed".  And I would argue that the fact that they went back and fixed it is proof of how off-putting the error was.  I can only assume that they don't think the bum notes in "Message" ruined the song in the same way they did on "Shoes"

 

You can hear the original non-corrected version of "Shoes Under My Bed" here:

 

The error is around 1:10.30.  Give it a listen and decide for yourself.  It frustrated me at the time because I was really looking forward to enjoying Neil's performance of that Paul Kelly song for years to come, but not if it was going to have such obvious bad notes.  Thankfully it was corrected and now I think it's one of the best songs Neil has recorded in the past 10 years!

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

I did notice that they fixed Neil's bum note toward the end of "You Can Put Your Shoes Under My Bed".  His mistake there during the live performance completely undercut the emotional climax of the song.  Strange that they didn't feel the need to correct the mistakes on "Message to My Girl".  I guess you could just assume that those bum notes are just Neil trying to "jazz up" the song.

 

But there is a difference between Neil accidentally hitting the wrong notes and Paul Kelly just plain old not being capable of performing the Maori strum on acoustic guitar.  To be fair, you do have to practice it quite a bit and maybe he didn't have time.  Still, I think it was a misjudgement to perform the songs that way and even worse to actually release them.

I actually missed the note in Shoes. The reason I noticed the Message To My Girl one was because he made the same mistake a few times before!

Originally Posted by Paināporo:
Originally Posted by amjfrenz:

What is it with people who expect a "note-perfect" performance from Neil.  Neil has never been "note-perfect".  That has always been what endeared me to Neil.  "His mistake there during the live performance completely undercut the emotional climax of the song."  So basically you are saying that one bum note ruined the entire song for you.  WOW!! I admit that I am not a musician so that may be why I barely noticed the mistakes but I would venture to say that not many in the audience probably noticed it either.  Good grief, have you seen some of the early Enz performances where Neil is just barely playing guitar.  Neil used to joke how they used to put his guitar low in the mix.  He is clearly now a much better guitar player then he was then.  So Neil made a mistake.  Well "Stop the Presses"!  Neil had trouble with his red guitar during the Toronto show, but like a little trooper he is he put on a big smile and carried on.  Remember Live Earth.  Well if that had been Axl Rose, he would have shouted "You Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  " I am not putting up with this Bleep Bleep Bleep!"  And then he would proceed to smash the mike on the ground and then walk off stage.  Well, that's not Neil and I love him for that.  Just my two cents.

Neil makes plenty of mistakes when playing live and we're all very forgiving.  But it's another thing to release those mistakes on a professionally recorded and mastered album.  Clearly someone in charge agrees with that or else they would not have gone back and fixed the mistakes in "Shoes Under My Bed".  And I would argue that the fact that they went back and fixed it is proof of how off-putting the error was.  I can only assume that they don't think the bum notes in "Message" ruined the song in the same way they did on "Shoes"

 

You can hear the original non-corrected version of "Shoes Under My Bed" here:

 

The error is around 1:10.30.  Give it a listen and decide for yourself.  It frustrated me at the time because I was really looking forward to enjoying Neil's performance of that Paul Kelly song for years to come, but not if it was going to have such obvious bad notes.  Thankfully it was corrected and now I think it's one of the best songs Neil has recorded in the past 10 years!

I'm sorry, I am not hearing any bum note.  I listened to the video and my CD version and to my ears they are identical.  You must be a keyboard player.  I have a friend who is actually now a piano teacher.  She would often hear mistakes that I couldn't hear.  She used to drive me crazy with that.  Quite frankly, I would actually be quite appalled if that was done.  I know that there were some glitches in the original webcast that have now been fixed.  Sometimes some words or even entire lines in the song were skipped.  I know that 'Don't Stand So Close' had this type of glitch that made the song frustrating to listen to.  That I would have expected them to fix if they were going to put it out.  These glitches I believe were in the recording though not in the playing.

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