Fleetwood Mac (with Neil Finn) To Be on "CBS This Morning" on Wednesday April 25

As I have said before (and still maintain) I don't see how this is any way a "good thing" if you are a fan of Neil Finn.  Neil is not getting any younger (60 next month!) and the number of tours left is less than more... I don't buy any of the arguments presented here regarding this decision (sorry I truly feel you are wrong if you think Neil joining Fleetwood Mac {Fleetwood Mac for christsakkes!} is a positive move for fans of Neil - I'm not saying it is not good for Neil - I'm sure his bank account will love the move...) If you do think it's great - enjoy spending the $200 - $400 for tickets (or maybe $100 for arena nosebleeds) to see Neil play second fiddle to a bunch of over-the-hill senior citizens trying to pad their pensions...

I don't see it as quite the massive catastrophe, Sean - really don't think money is the motivation here, nor is age an issue - BUT the CBS interview has left me strangely depressed, too, after I rather liked the idea at first. It'll be only Fleetwood Mac until this time next year, and that's only the North America tour!

I think it's time to admit that I'm really yearning for some "proper" Neil music, including LIVE CONCERTS. Not touring with the family in AUS and NZ (sorry, good for him if he likes it, but I'm not convinced by the music from what I've seen and heard), not touring with Fleetwood Mac. But solo or Crowded House, with some proper gigs in Europe (and the UK, because this time next year these are two different... oh never mind). There is no big objective argument happening here, just a selfish "I want the real thing" tantrum. I shall now go and listen to the 2016 Encore gig and maybe it'll all pass.

I recall Neil saying at the time of the Dizzy Heights tour that it was the last we'd see of him on stage for a while. The impression wasn't that he was going to take a while to make his next album, but more that he wasn't planning on touring regardless of whether he had new music out or not. I remember feeling quite disappointed about that even though UK tours hadn't exactly come thick and fast at that point anyway.

However, the notion that he's putting his own career on hold really is upsetting. As I said earlier, I'd really welcome some official clarification of what Neil sees this being in the medium to long term. Does he really see himself doing what Mark Hart does, being a part of two bands at once and also throwing out the odd solo project?

Neil said today that he sees this as a long-term situation with Fleetwood Mac. I'm sure, though, a lot depends on how the tour goes specifically how Neil performs with Stevie. Either way, there's no reason why Neil can't continue his solo career and other ventures. 

Wow that looks like a long exhausting US tour  and then they will probably tour other parts of the world - I guess I will monitor the unfolding situation and try to find the positive, I mean I like FM and I love Neil Finn so why does this tour make me feel apprehensive?

I love Fleetwood Mac - saw them on the Tusk tour,  but kind of lost interest in following such a colossally huge act.  I am decades past the enormous venue/astronomical ticket price type of concert.

Best of luck to Neil, but I will sit out this phase of his career.

Oh dear...most of these comments are so negative.  It would probably be best to keep an open mind and go with the flow regarding Neil's projects.  Perhaps thinking of FM as a stepping stone to fuel some future creative sparks which could include some new energy/direction for solo stints, etc.  And if he remains with the band, so be it.  He's still Neil...and, honestly, he will bring that talent in whatever form wherever his feet land.

 

Watch the interview again. There's a very pertinent pause before he answers the question about it being a full-time thing. In the face of the media scrutiny, and given the ructions in the band from Buckingham's departure, the only answer at the moment is 'Yes'. But, like anybody in any band, he can leave anytime he likes. 

There also needs to be some perspective on this. Out of Silence was released in September 2017 and the Neil/Liam album is still to be released in 2018. So there is new Neil music this year and there hasn't exactly been a dearth in the last 12 months. Dizzy Heights came out in 2014, so if you call 3 years a standard kind of gap between solo albums then 2020 still works for the next one.

As a fan I would not assert any kind of right to have new material from Neil at any point other than when he wants to release something. I'm happy to wait years for it. Try following Peter Gabriel for experience of the long wait between studio releases! I am also happy not to have any live shows for a bit. Sometimes it is good to have a break and to experience the renewal of interest that eventually will come when he re-emerges in his own right.

As a musician myself, I know he will get a lot from the experience of playing with another band, playing a set of what are for him fresh songs. It will almost certainly fire his creative muse and he'll probably write a good few songs on the road. It'll be something he'll reflect on afterwards and something he'll mine for ideas, both musically and lyrically. All of which could lead to some very interesting material sometime in the next decade. When he's ready, no rush. 

 

Sad Claude posted:

Try following Peter Gabriel...

 

I do :

Of course, your timelines may well be spot on in the sense that nothing he does with FM will alter the timescale for future albums but I can't help but feeling that it surely must. I mean, if he has the energy and enthusiasm to work with FM, it means that he isn't putting that energy into a solo project or a Finn Bros album or a CH album or a Pajama Club album or a 7WC project, all of which would yield more new Finn-penned and sung songs.

Neil is, of course, free to do as he pleases but as a fan of HIS music, I can't help but wish he'd put his effort into creating more of it. I guess its a tribute to his music that this feels like such a loss.

I wonder whether Tim fans felt like this when he joined CH and put his efforts into playing their songs on stage rather than his own...

Sad Claude posted:
As a musician myself, I know he will get a lot from the experience of playing with another band, playing a set of what are for him fresh songs. It will almost certainly fire his creative muse and he'll probably write a good few songs on the road. It'll be something he'll reflect on afterwards and something he'll mine for ideas, both musically and lyrically. All of which could lead to some very interesting material sometime in the next decade. When he's ready, no rush. 

That's a good point.  And didn't Neil already confirm that Mike Fleetwood did some session work with Neil a year or two ago? I'm not sure what happened to those recordings (where they intended for the Neil-Liam record, a solo record, etc.?), but I suppose there's a small chance they could end up being Fleetwood Mac songs. 

I say that because FM's Tango in the Night and Say You Will both began as Lindsey Buckingham solo records, but the band called on him to start the next FM record, so he simply re-purposed the songs he'd already recorded.  And the most interesting part is that Fleetwood (as well as John McVie and Christine McVie) played on the some of LB's solo songs that ended up leading to the band's The Dance reunion and were eventually released on Say You Will.

I doubt it'll happen with Neil's songs, but you never know.  I'm far more interested in new material this line-up might create than I am in their live shows.

matt

Sad Claude posted:

Watch the interview again. There's a very pertinent pause before he answers the question about it being a full-time thing. In the face of the media scrutiny, and given the ructions in the band from Buckingham's departure, the only answer at the moment is 'Yes'. But, like anybody in any band, he can leave anytime he likes. 

There also needs to be some perspective on this. Out of Silence was released in September 2017 and the Neil/Liam album is still to be released in 2018. So there is new Neil music this year and there hasn't exactly been a dearth in the last 12 months. Dizzy Heights came out in 2014, so if you call 3 years a standard kind of gap between solo albums then 2020 still works for the next one.

As a fan I would not assert any kind of right to have new material from Neil at any point other than when he wants to release something. I'm happy to wait years for it. Try following Peter Gabriel for experience of the long wait between studio releases! I am also happy not to have any live shows for a bit. Sometimes it is good to have a break and to experience the renewal of interest that eventually will come when he re-emerges in his own right.

As a musician myself, I know he will get a lot from the experience of playing with another band, playing a set of what are for him fresh songs. It will almost certainly fire his creative muse and he'll probably write a good few songs on the road. It'll be something he'll reflect on afterwards and something he'll mine for ideas, both musically and lyrically. All of which could lead to some very interesting material sometime in the next decade. When he's ready, no rush. 

 

Very good point about the pause when Neil and Mike were asked about being permanent members. Nothing in classic rock is permanent these days. For some bands (Yes for example), i can't even keep track of who's in the band day to day.

I'm sure that Neil is approaching this as a one year commitment for this upcoming tour and a possible studio album if the tour and creative energy goes well. 

Neil is a master collaborator and I suspect that he'll meld seamlessly with Mick/Christine/John/Mike with Stevie being the wild card. Not sure how Neil will get on with Stevie who is a very strong willed person. If Stevie likes working with Neil, he's in.  If she doesn't, then he's out after the tour. I certainly hope they get on well as Stevie is a great songwriter especially when working with a high end musician/songwriter like Neil (or Mike for that matter). 

Stevie's songs tend to meander in unstructured, mysterious ways (see Storms or Sisters of the Moon or Sara) which is part of the reason why her songwriting has always been best when working with Lindsey who was able to add structure to Stevie's songs. Neil would likely be able to the same which is why I think that Nicks/Finn songs could be amazing.

For Mike, this is very likely a more permanent gig unless or until Lindsey returns which I'm confident will happen one day down the road. His old job with Tom Petty is gone so playing lead guitar in Fleetwood Mac is a near perfect fit for him. The only imperfect element is that he doesn't sing much.

One other point that was mentioned on the CBS show was that the band "interviewed" another potential lead singer in addition to Neil.  This person was unnamed but it's not clear whether that person turned down the invitation or whether Neil "won" the interview process. If I had to guess, I would say the other person was someone like Jackson Browne or Elvis Costello.

Either way, I'm still in the camp of excited fans who can't wait to see the new lineup play all the great songs we know and love as well as some older songs that haven't left the attic in decades.

 

I saw the interview and it seems the band's answers on things regarding the departure of Buckingham seemed a bit uncomfortable.....I did not like how Stevie Nicks answered....came across pretty bad (spoiled, pompous, etc).  The answers were like it was kindergarten.  I tried to see if Neil was rolling his eyes.  I am used to seeing and hearing his great, imaginative answers, and these guys came off bad.  Actually uncomfortable for Neil and the other new guy.  Which made me feel this after a couple of days:  I think replacing someone in a band just doesn't seem right, especially for someone as talented as Neil.  I think he should always remain a solo or part of his own creations like Pajama Club, CH.  I do think money plays a factor in this...hate to say.  But I do know Neil likes to try different things but I don't agree that this should be it.  Maybe forming a supergroup would be a better idea:  Him and other talented members out there (from Smiths etc)

renzo posted:

I saw the interview and it seems the band's answers on things regarding the departure of Buckingham seemed a bit uncomfortable.....I did not like how Stevie Nicks answered....came across pretty bad (spoiled, pompous, etc).  The answers were like it was kindergarten.  I tried to see if Neil was rolling his eyes.  I am used to seeing and hearing his great, imaginative answers, and these guys came off bad.  Actually uncomfortable for Neil and the other new guy.  Which made me feel this after a couple of days:  I think replacing someone in a band just doesn't seem right, especially for someone as talented as Neil.  I think he should always remain a solo or part of his own creations like Pajama Club, CH.  I do think money plays a factor in this...hate to say.  But I do know Neil likes to try different things but I don't agree that this should be it.  Maybe forming a supergroup would be a better idea:  Him and other talented members out there (from Smiths etc)

I don't agree with you there. I don't feel it's a money thing at all. Neil said he was given a gift when asked to join and so he accepted it with outstretched arms. I believe him. He also said he has a restless nature. I believe this too. Always forward thinking I'm guessing he thought ok, I've released my solo album, will release the album with Liam now what? Then received a phone call from Mick. So the solo tour is on the back burner till the FM 52 shows is over and their future recording then I feel he'll come back to his fans with a solo tour of the world. Don't forget there's a full string accompaniment he'd be taking into consideration if they were all to go on tour as well as the campfire voices 😀 so in that respect it may be a future money thing or his friendship with Mick came first ? I do agree with you, having the 2 new guys there during the questioning of Lindsey's antics and Stevie's answers may have come across very awkward. It had to be done so everyone can move on. Although Lindsey's silence on the matter has me somewhat perturbed.

thanks for the above reply.  I am not saying all about the money because I do agree Neil likes to try different things.  Just strange that he allocates such a large amount of time playing this group's songs.  The only thing I can think of is that it sounds like they will delve into some of their lesser known songs....and the new album is intriguing.....hopefully Neil has big input on that.  And who knows, may have big hit or two come of this.  That would be great.  I am just trying now to looks at this as a Supertramp or Styx or INXS lead singer replacement....that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I never check out those bands when coming through Winnipeg.  (which Fleetwood should come through....I think they did last time)

renzo posted:

thanks for the above reply.  I am not saying all about the money because I do agree Neil likes to try different things.  Just strange that he allocates such a large amount of time playing this group's songs.  The only thing I can think of is that it sounds like they will delve into some of their lesser known songs....and the new album is intriguing.....hopefully Neil has big input on that.  And who knows, may have big hit or two come of this.  That would be great.  I am just trying now to looks at this as a Supertramp or Styx or INXS lead singer replacement....that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I never check out those bands when coming through Winnipeg.  (which Fleetwood should come through....I think they did last time)

I agree with you there. I feel a future recording by the gelling of minds here may create a hit! Plus Neil has a way of taming voices to suit lyrics.   The biggest concern would be egos. Whether he lasts the 52 shows or whether he doesn't should make for some interesting times ahead. 

Imagine you’re a musician and a lifelong U2 fan. Then through some crazy chain of events, you’re asked to tour with U2, and of course you’re like “F*** yes!” Coincidentally you’re getting paid well. Then cynical fans, with no real basis, assume you’re doing it mostly for the money.

Wouldn’t you be kind of offended? I’m surprised at how many Frenz have been hung up on the money thing. I feel like we should all know better.

Neil is going to do Great. I'm so glad to see they rate his singing so highly. Just as I was jotting down "...not surprised" I believe I heard somebody speak that in the clip?   Awesome selection process.  Okay, who was the other?  Steve Perry?  

What makes Neil not capable of playing LB's instrument as well? Am I dense on this?  And I mean no offense to comers.

And the rapport after the piece supports our peace with Neil. Good for all involved!

Neil is a solid lead guitar player, but he has pretty clear limitations. His improvised solos often fall back on a few crutches and as Nick himself has noted, Neil seems to shun any trace of the blues from his playing. I think his strength is in being solid to excellent in several instrumental areas, rather than being a supreme lead player. In that role LB or MC are clearly better.

Just want to add...Neil's technical ability on the guitar is really excellent.  A lot of the guitar parts for his songs are quite intricate -- like a lot of Temple of Low Men.  And his rhythm guitar playing is about as good as it gets.  Just felt I was a little hard on him for not being an amazing improviser -- he's still quite listenable in that area, and in general his guitar skills are pretty special.  Whatever his role as a guitarist in FM turns out to be, I'm sure he will fulfill it and then some.

But if he makes loads of money from this tour then that's great. He self-finacnes his releases nowdays, yes? So I'm guessing he'd pump a fair share of that tour revenue back into his own creations.

And he is actually 'allowed' to make money from a being a musician in another band. Good on him I say. But I don't beleive that's the prime motivatiing factor for him here.

I'm really struggling to understand why so many are unhappy that Neil has joined Fleetwood Mac. He just released one of the best albums of his career (Out of Silence) and has another album (with Liam) still scheduled for release later this year.  The Fleetwood Mac tour may do a lot to generate interest in the Neil/Liam album. 

Fleetwood Mac is likely to tour from this October until April of 2019.  Perhaps they'll do a few months of dates after that in Europe and Australia/New Zealand, but Neil should have plenty of time to resume other projects after that. 

FM tends to tour every few years and then take time off for rest and pursue other projects. That will almost certainly allow Neil time to work on other projects (Finn Brothers, solo, Crowded House, etc.) in between Fleetwood Mac tours.  And this affiliation could go a long way towards making him as well known to the general public as he deserves to be. 

I didn't realize so many fans are unhappy with Neil Finn joining Fleetwood Mac.  Maybe, some people don't like Fleetwood Mac's music.  Others  may feel he's "selling out" playing with a very "commercial" band.  Despite their success, Fleetwood Mac has a volatile past with musicians coming and going, quitting then returning, infighting, personal turmoil and lawsuits.  From their beginnings in 1967, the band has had many lineup changes along with differing styles of music.  Still, the fact Fleetwood Mac has been around for more than 50 years is a credit to their success.  The band has sold a lot of records.  They draw huge audiences.  Their tours fill stadiums.  But Fleetwood Mac has a reputation for not liking each other very much.  Lindsey Buckingham's recent firing feels hostile.  Buckingham, a guitar virtuoso and gifted producer is a big part of their success since joining in the 70''s.  With their enormous popularity, they have come across as spoiled, overindulged rock stars.  That's kind of a turn off.  I was shocked when I heard Neil had joined Fleetwood Mac.  It didn't feel like a "good" fit.   But Fleetwood Mac, Neil Finn and Mike Campbell have cliqued so voila, a "new & improved" Fleetwood Mac has been reborn.  I will buy my pricey ticket only to see Neil Finn.

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