Anyone know who's mixing it for 5.1? Maybe we could get Elliot Scheiner to mix it for surround. His surround mixes are excellent (check out his mixes for R.E.M. DVD audio) and he'd do a great job. And Bob Ludwig has to master it of course. Hey, if we're gonna get this out on DVD it's gonna be done right. No half-ass measures please.
I'm happy to see there are still murmurs of this DVD being released this year. I have been anxious to see this happen for quite awhile (like the rest of ye!) I am also curious to see who is going to mix it for 5.1. and with all this new HD (high definition) technology being thrown into digital I wonder if they will consider adding that to the list for the DVD. Especially if it's a 10th anniversary special and all...
Is there anyone here who was there?

I pulled out my ancient bad quality VHS and the crowd totally blows my mind. Just wondering if anyone would care to recount the day, the mood, the weather etc for some flavor. It just looked totally insane and beautiful and amazing...
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Originally posted by Kel:I am also curious to see who is going to mix it for 5.1. and with all this new HD (high definition) technology being thrown into digital I wonder if they will consider adding that to the list for the DVD. Especially if it's a 10th anniversary special and all...


Last I heard (a few weeks ago), no one had been chosen yet to mix it. As for high-definition, I'm not sure that it was shot in HD. Maybe it was?
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Last I heard (a few weeks ago), no one had been chosen yet to mix it. As for high-definition, I'm not sure that it was shot in HD. Maybe it was?


5.1 surround mix is a must and is entirely possible, even with 'old' 2.0 recordings. As for HD... Australian TV didn't have HD broadcasting capabilities until August 2003, so I'd doubt that the master tapes were even shot in this format. I don't even know if it was shot in widescreen. Confused
I know that sounds a bit depressing but there is hope... take for example the work done on the Led Zeppelin 2003 DVD. The restoration and remixing of really old and at times useless footage was remarkable. A new surround audio mix was created for the DVD along with a 16.9 widescreen aspect which didn't even exist on the master tapes.
Yes, it was an expensive undertaking, but that was a few years ago and technology has moved on and processes like these are less expensive. Here's hoping Wink
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5.1 surround mix is a must and is entirely possible, even with 'old' 2.0 recordings.

Uh, no it's not, unless the original multi tracks that made up the stereo mix still exist. It's possible to 'upmix' stereo to 5.1 but it isn't a proper 5.1 mix and sounds awful.

I would imagine that FTTW wasn't shot in HD and that it was shot with 4:3 in mind. It could be cropped to 16:9, but what would be the point if the original apsect ratio was 4:3?
I'm guessing the show was shot on SVHS ("Super" VHS, what most TV/news shows are shot on), which I think could be spruced up fine for DVD. I say that because I doubt they had the budget to run several cameras with actual celluloid film, though I could be wrong, and digital video cameras were still a bit outlandish in 1996. These are just semi-educated guesses. Smiler

But I'm sure they MUST have recorded, and saved, the show in a multi-track format like ADAT--if they were gonna do that for just one show out of their hundreds, this would be the one. Unless the tapes were destroyed in some freak flood or something.. Eeker

I think the DVD will be a revelation when it happens, especially assuming it's in 5.1 surround. The audio on VHS is pretty much worthless. Has there ever been an actual studio-mixed live recording by Crowded House before? The "Recurring Dream" bonus disc was all on-the-fly soundboard mixes..
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I agree, it's have to be have been multitrack recorded. Midnight Oil at Goat Island was and that was 1985.

That brings me to my other point, I'd disagree that all upmixes sound awful. They lost the Goat Island tapes and had to upmix from a stereo recording, and the results seemed pretty good to me.
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... I'd disagree that all upmixes sound awful. They lost the Goat Island tapes and had to upmix from a stereo recording, and the results seemed pretty good to me.


I concur. A 5.1 upmix from 2 channel done properly (while not true discrete surround) can sound very convincing. Only absolute purists might notice the difference... anyways, it wouldn't matter as nearly all DVDs carry two or more different audio mixes - 2.0, 5.1 etc. Choose which ever you prefer to listen to.
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[QUOTE]I would imagine that FTTW wasn't shot in HD and that it was shot with 4:3 in mind. It could be cropped to 16:9, but what would be the point if the original apsect ratio was 4:3?


Simply because most people have 16.9 widescreen TVs nowadays and viewing a program in 4.3 aspect looks terrible on a widescreen set. Yes, you can set the TV to stretch the picture, but this also has its problems. Most broadcasts that are shot in 4.3 are shot with a 16.9 transfer in mind by the production crew, so camera angle and screen fill ratio are taken into consideration.
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I'm guessing the show was shot on SVHS

SVHS was a late '80s home video enthusiast format only slightly superior to VHS and was rarely used for professional broadcast television. I don't know for sure what video format FTTW was recorded on but it was most likely Beta SP or something similar.
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I'm sure they MUST have recorded, and saved, the show in a multi-track format like ADAT

Like I said earlier, the multi-track audio tapes HAVE been found.
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Has there ever been an actual studio-mixed live recording by Crowded House before?

Yes. The 1988 State Theatre show in Sydney, for one.
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SVHS was a late '80s home video enthusiast format only slightly superior to VHS and was rarely used for professional broadcast television. I don't know for sure what video format FTTW was recorded on but it was most likely Beta SP or something similar.


Actually SVHS has 60% greater resolution than normal VHS. But you're right, Betacam is the standard, and the one I was trying to remember.

Is the State Theatre show available commercially?
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Simply because most people have 16.9 widescreen TVs nowadays


Confused I don't think this is true by a longshot. Personally I know nobody with a widescreen TV, or an HDTV for that matter. Granted most people I know are in their mid 20's and poor Smiler, but only recently have these technologies become less than horribly expensive, and are still pretty expensive compared to a flat screen 4:3 tube TV. I would bet the vast majority of Americans, at least, still own standard tube TVs at this point.

On the other hand, surround sound is very common from what I can tell. For this reason if I were producing this DVD I'd focus mainly on getting the most professional 5.1 mix possible.
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Originally posted by slowpogo:Actually SVHS has 60% greater resolution than normal VHS. But you're right...Is the State Theatre show available commercially?

SVHS was better than VHS but was still rather poor compared to other superior formats. I wore out five SVHS machines trying to get the best out of them over the '80s and early '90s before adopting digital video in 1997.

Back on topic... at least two tracks from the State Theatre show were issued as B sides (Mansion in the Slums and This Is Massive) and the show was televised.
I'm a bit lost with the techie video speak but...

The version of Sister Madly on Dreaming the Videos is from the State Theatre show is it not?
Yes, Alx, you are definitely right.

The Sister Madly video on the Dreaming DVD was indeed recorded at the Sydney State Theatre show.

I first saw the entire show played on Channel 9's MTV many, many years ago. It was also simulcast on radio at some point and I still have my original cassette recording and it's still going strong. The show also had a recent airing on Music Max during it's Hessie Tribute last year. Another truly great show.
I found a DVD called 'Ultimate Aussie Songs' or something like that and it had a video of Don't Dream It's Over on it recorded at the FTTW concert and it looked pretty clean compared to my old vhs, so they might be able to clean the footage up. And it was in 5.1 sound too!!!
Was that true 5.1 surround or 5.1 upmixed from stereo? The dead giveaway is the amount of reverb in the rear speakers
Roo you've missed my point, the FTTW show was shot in 4:3, so while it can be reframed to 16:9 you would lose a lot of picture information and it would look awful. I doubt very much that it was shot in 1996 with 16:9 in mind. I would imagine it was always shot and framed with 4:3 in mind. I have a widescreen TV and I always watch things in their proper aspect ratio. What's the problem with watching 4:3 on a 16:9 set? I have no probleming with pillar boxing if it means I can see the whole picture, rather than the top and bottom or parts of the side cropped off.

Sorry, I can always tell a 5.1 upmix a mile off and my point was that if it can be mixed to 5.1, do it, if not, don't. Why waste bit rate on a crappy 5.1 upmix?

I agree with Jaffa, there's no way anyone would be recording to SVHS as a professional format in 1996. In fact, I don't think it was ever a professional format. I was thinking digi beta or Beta SP.
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Well - y'all have seen the VHS, and I haven't, so I'll trust that it was shot on tape of indeterminate format, and not film. I think if it had been shot on film, an HD version would be possible.

If it was a tape format in '96, it was most likely Betacam SP, Digi-beta, Beta SX or god-forbid DVC Pro, but hopefully it wasn't shot on SVHS. Who was the Production Company, and have you ever seen anything else from them?
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so I'll trust that it was shot on tape of indeterminate format, and not film. I think if it had been shot on film, an HD version would be possible.


Yep, it's on some type of professional video format not film Smiler

I agree, if it was on 35mm an HD version would be possible. Don't know who the company was, my copy is in storage.

Looking forward to the release, it's a great concert, you'll love it TV Page when you get to see it Smiler
That is fantastic news. My VHS copy is just about worn out.

One question...will it have the documentary piece at the beginning that the VHS video has? And are there any plans for other juicy little extras?!? Smiler

Either way it is great news...Long overdue!
And whilst I am talking to myself Wink, any plans to release the West 54th session that Neil did on DVD in the UK. I think currently there isn't a European region version...Which would be very nice (nudge nudge)
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Originally posted by Finntastic Mr. Fox:
I think currently there isn't a European region version...

I bought mine on eBay and it came from America (all the way! Wink). I've just had a look at the box and it doesn't say what region it is.
My DVD player is region 2 and it plays fine, so the disc must be all region.
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Originally posted by Finntastic Mr. Fox:
I think currently there isn't a European region version...

I bought mine on eBay and it came from America (all the way! Wink). I've just had a look at the box and it doesn't say what region it is.
My DVD player is region 2 and it plays fine, so the disc must be all region.


I was going to do just that, but noticed that the DVD was region 1. Consequently I didn't want to order it and wait months for it to arrive only to be dissapointed when it didn't work.

What is it like?
It's brilliant! You have to get it.
I'm surprised that you found a region one and I've got one that appears to be all region. Maybe different versions of it were released.
That homemade one looks very frightening! I've seen it on there before, that's not a one off, it's actually somebody trying to make money by running off countless copies of something they've recorded off the telly!!
And while there is some good stuff on there, I'd stay well clear.
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That homemade one looks very frightening! I've seen it on there before, that's not a one off, it's actually somebody trying to make money by running off counless copies of something they've recorded off the telly!!
And while there is some good stuff on there, I'd stay well clear.


I have done Mate. Not touching with a ten ft stick! But on your advice I have invested in a region 0 version of the West 54th CD (quite how I can find that now after months of searching I don't know)

I might have to stay away from this site. It has already cost me money Big Grin
I bought my version of West 54th Street at Amazon (US), and it's all regions. At least I think it is, it doesn't say anything else!
Just read this thread! Fantastic news!!! Had it on video all those years ago but it snapped in my old VCR sadly enough. Had heard rumours but didn't want to get carried away. Good old PG!
Any date yet????? I bought a new TV and the video doesn't work on it so I'm anxiously hanging out for the best concert I've ever watched to be on DVD
I've been wondering if the concert portion of the DVD will be *exactly* like it was on VHS--the original cut just transferred to digital--or if it will be re-edited at all.

Regardless of the performance it portrays, the VHS version just seems kind of uninspired and bare-bones in terms of how it was put together. There's very little style or artistic intent behind it; for example there's little in the way of an opening title/credits sequence, and the documentary/backstage footage in the beginning is cut together with a minimum of fuss.

There are some cheesy sequences in terms of editing during the concert too; for example, the camera cuts line up with the beat during the "Love that sound.." section of "Whispers And Moans." I think I saw the same technique used during a "song" on Sesame Street (seriously!).

I'm not expecting an art film like "Rattle And Hum" or anything, but it would be nice if they did something to spruce up the original footage..if the concert is special enough to be reissued on its anniversary and given a budget and all that, I can only hope they do more than simply transfer the original, do a 5.1 mix, add a "fan photo" section and call it adequate.

My hope is that they're willing to spend the cash to give a talented editor the original tapes and a few weeks in an editing room to hammer out a more professional-looking cut. I KNOW they could do a better job with it...but nevertheless I'll try to be happy whatever the outcome.
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I totally agree Slowpogo. The VHS version (as I may have said waayyy back in this thread) seemed to be edited too harshly. Songs seemed to come together a little too quickly and lingering shots of particular individuals in the crowd singing along, IMHO, should have been kept to a minimum - if not excluded (I want to see the band playing, not the mug of a particular audience member!)

I wonder if the master tapes have on them ALL the footage as shot by ALL cameras on the night? If so, a new cut would be easy enough. It would also be nice to see some extra footage of the city (before, during and after the concert) giving more feel to the build up etc. What about backstage with the band?

I'm sure all will be revealed soon as to what is being included on the cut. Here's hoping that the end product will have had plenty of money and time spent on it to really do it justice.

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