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I’d say part of a history of changing members in a band that has existed for over 30 years. It happens  - see Fleetwood MAC and Rolling  Stones to name a couple. Sacked is not a factual or informed frame . In some eyes NeilFinn - song writer and leader - should play forever with the same line up to please a minority’s of fans views? No thanks. 

 

sinner62 posted:

I’d say part of a history of changing members in a band that has existed for over 30 years. It happens  - see Fleetwood MAC and Rolling  Stones to name a couple. Sacked is not a factual or informed frame . In some eyes NeilFinn - song writer and leader - should play forever with the same line up to please a minority’s of fans views? No thanks. 

 

I take it from the lack of even slightly sceptical responses to my original post that neil did not address the line up changes in today’s fangradio broadcast. 
i have no problem with him changing the lineup if he desires. I think (as discussed ad nauseum elsewhere) that given the investment many have in the band that some explanation would be welcomed. 

the lack of explanation compounded by the distasteful nepotism is leaving quite the unpleasant taste in some really quite passionate fans.

 

Well said Sinner. 

Am getting pretty sick of the cry babies moaning on about Mark. Its a shame but life goes on. If you are SO unhappy about it, there is an opportunity to Skype Neil every few weeks or so Skype and ask him. 

Personally, I am so so pleased to see Crowded House have reformed. I will look forward to the new record and new shows - which I never ever thought would happen. Some of the crap thats been written on here particularly about Liam is  very insulting and for me not far off trolling. Its unpleasant stuff.

I look forward to a 3rd era of Crowded House, with Nick, Mitchell, Liam and Elroy - as said before, am hoping Liam will be a key player writing and leading with vocals. 

 

Monsieur Nick posted:

Am getting pretty sick of the cry babies moaning on about Mark...

..Some of the crap thats been written on here particularly about Liam is  very insulting and for me not far off trolling. Its unpleasant stuff.

 

so apparently the two statements above were said without any apparent irony ...

calling people ‘cry babies’ and then moaning about people ‘trolling’ liam...

um ... pot, kettle etc 🤔

i think u’ll find the substantive complaint is the lack of explanation ... that is compounded by the nepotism ... to go out to the fans for the first time today and NOT explain things is actually a bit gobsmacking.

((And i did in fact listen in to the final 30 mins of the broadcast live and i did ask the question in the written chat forum about what happened with mark and matt but was not answered ... hence my original post here seeking detail from anyone who may have heard something substantive))...

but hey, it appears a mushroom diet is preferred here currently.

carry on.

Come on people, you can accept Neil's decision (aka move on / get over it), buy tickets for the tour, be all excited, but still hope that Neil might address some of the details of his decision.

Also, asking for details about Mark doesn't automatically make you a crybaby; and voicing your scepticism about Liam and mentioning explicitly what you don't like about him doesn't automatically make you disrespectful. And there's quite a categorical distinction between being critical and "trolling", the latter being a form of harassment best used for those and only those cases.

Just my 2 cents, but as long as noone here sets up two Twitter accounts and posts the same conspiracy theory every single day for two years, and replies to every single post here and on social media with #justiceformark/liam/whoever, but everyone simply expresses what's going through their mind, even if it's not part of a black-and-white stance on the whole matter... I reckon we're fine. 

Before calling anyone here a crybaby...we've known about this shakeup for what, a month or two?  Keep in mind there are still people aggressively bemoaning Lindsey Buckingham's firing from Fleetwood Mac, which happened 18 months ago.  I'm comfortable saying those people are whiny and need to get a life.  But I think we're still firmly in the adjustment period here.

I honestly don't believe that we are going to get any more details from Neil about why Mark & Matt are not in the band.  Neil did talk to Mitchell during the show.  It sounded like that had just reconnected recently.  Apparently, they have both wanted to be in a band together for some time but for one reason or another it just never came together until now.   With Mitchell on board, I guess Neil decided to make even further changes to the band.  I don't think that it is any more nefarious than that.  But, Neil is not typically one to air his "dirty laundry" in public.  This isn't Guns & Roses where they announce they kicked Izzy out because he had a heroin problem.  I highly doubt Neil would come out and say something like that even if it were true, which I'm sure it isn't anything like that.  I'm sure that Neil appreciates the contributions both made to the band and allow them to leave the band in a civil and dignified manner.  Do you really want Neil to come out and say that 'I fired Mark because he was being a jerk'.  I think Neil would rather let the fans have fond memories of Mark & Matt's period in the band.  That is not to say that I won't miss them.  It sounds like the new lineup will be recorded new music in the new year.  For now, I will just wait and see what comes of that.  Well, that's my two cents worth.

# An Apology # Before I say anymore, I would like to say sorry to Silentstream, re-reading my earlier post, its not particularly polite or in great spirit and you unfairly bore the brunt of my bad mood. 

 

I think as AmjFrenz has said, we're not going to hear any more about the decision on Mark. More to the point and for me personally, why do I need to know? 

I see Jaff's point; I listened to Neil and Mitchell last night and it's quite clear to me that in what they were saying, it was also reasonably diplomatic in what they didn't say.

I do think there have been some unkind things written about Liam on here. If you've listened to his records and don't like them, then fair enough but genuinely think he will be helping Neil lead things.

In a gentle attempt to get people to try and move on if they want to, am I the only one who didn't expect Crowded House to ever reform? it truly is fantastic news, for me a Crowded House with Nick and now Liam, Elroy and Mitchell is  exciting; it marks a new decade, a fresh era and will bring us all new songs, memories, sessions and live shows - there really is much to look forward to next year and hopefully for several years ahead.

We also know they new record is to be recorded in January and February - when might we hear new music?

Having listened to Neil's chat with Mitchell, I'm slightly more positive on this endeavor.  There's an interesting blend of new/old that may end up outweighing my concerns about Liam and Elroy.

Froom may have been a huge influence on the first three albums, but the fact that he's having to relearn all the parts, even the solo on DDIO, drives home the fact that he's just as much "new blood" as old.  I'm also a huge fan of his keyboard production techniques, using the mellotron and optigan and chamberlin, etc. (Temple of Low Men, and Into Temptation specifically being a great example), and he's apparently in the process of sampling all his magical ancient keyboards to use on the new album.  So that's pretty cool.  And he just sounds really enthusiastic about everything.

Some of Neil's comments suggest that Elroy has made some big strides as a drummer in the last year.  I thought he was very solid the last time I heard him (a few years ago) but not really at the level of Matt or Paul, but maybe he's now in the ballpark.  I'll be curious to hear him, and Mitchell certainly sounded impressed.

So the mix of perspectives could be interesting; I just really want this to be Neil's showcase in terms of songwriting.  And I hope they get Bob Clearmountain, Tchad Blake, or someone of a similar caliber to mix the album.  The mixes I've heard that have been done by Roundhead staff or Liam are fine and competent, but lack the magic of a true master like Clearmountain.  And he's certainly an important reason that albums 2-4 shined so bright.

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slowpogo posted:

Having listened to Neil's chat with Mitchell, I'm slightly more positive on this endeavor.  There's an interesting blend of new/old that may end up outweighing my concerns about Liam and Elroy.

Froom may have been a huge influence on the first three albums, but the fact that he's having to relearn all the parts, even the solo on DDIO, drives home the fact that he's just as much "new blood" as old.  I'm also a huge fan of his keyboard production techniques, using the mellotron and optigan and chamberlin, etc. (Temple of Low Men, and Into Temptation specifically being a great example), and he's apparently in the process of sampling all his magical ancient keyboards to use on the new album.  So that's pretty cool.  And he just sounds really enthusiastic about everything.

Some of Neil's comments suggest that Elroy has made some big strides as a drummer in the last year.  I thought he was very solid the last time I heard him (a few years ago) but not really at the level of Matt or Paul, but maybe he's now in the ballpark.  I'll be curious to hear him, and Mitchell certainly sounded impressed.

So the mix of perspectives could be interesting; I just really want this to be Neil's showcase in terms of songwriting.  And I hope they get Bob Clearmountain, Tchad Blake, or someone of a similar caliber to mix the album.  The mixes I've heard that have been done by Roundhead staff or Liam are fine and competent, but lack the magic of a true master like Clearmountain.  And he's certainly an important reason that albums 2-4 shined so bright.

I would guess that Tchad Blake will be working on the new Crowded House album as Mitchell and Thad usually work together. And Neil and Tchad just recently worked together on the Lightsleeper project.

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