I was happy to get my two tickets for the last London show today as some spare tickets got released at roundhouse.co.uk

I AM SO UNBELIEVABLE HAPPY

Still a lot of tickets available for the Berlin show (looking at the seat chart). My estimation is that only 20% of the tickets have sold yet... That doesn't look too good. The show in Köln did not sell out yet either, but as it's free admission you cannot see how many tickets have sold yet. Obviously the very high postage fees of Eventim.de don't help and somehow they chose to not allow DIY ticketing (print at home) for these concerts.

I had to pay €16 for having them send two tickets from Germany to the Netherlands. (Amazon Germany asks a fraction of that for postage of books etc to the Netherlands.) Together with a €4 service fee per ticket, that's quite a mark-up on the already quite hefty ticket price (€56) for the Cologne concert in a venue that does not have the reputation of being very comfortable. While we will enjoy seeing the band in a relatively small club in an all standing gig, all in all this is perhaps a little bit too much for the more casual fan? 

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Joepert, I feel like it looks like you say, there are some venues where they've not sold tickets as well as they must have expected. I was surprised when Manchester UK didn't sell out, and the Glasgow date availability looks very good (though I think far too many of the tickets are priced £140+ for the size of venue). I don't think this re-launch has had the impact as the Time on Earth era, but prices and venues seem to be more Fleetwood Mac than Crowded House tbh. I'm excited to see them, but maybe the general public isn't as enthused at seeing Neil and Family. 

Time moves on and, frankly, I think the prices are exorbitant. I would imagine that most of the band's fan base are now family men/women who don't have the money to throw down on a single night out, especially if they want/need to bring said family with them.

I think the market makes it pretty clear that our generation is willing and able to pay vast amounts of money for concert tickets, if they are sure they are in for a comfortable night out. My theory is that a lot of family men/women tend to do concerts only once or twice per year and don't mind paying through the teeth for that. And to be honest I think that a lof of FRENZ are already beyond the age that they would want to bring their family with them ;-).

Anyway: fact remains that I can't see a lot of people of our generation pay €60 for a concert ticket in a venue in the outskirts of Cologne that has no parking lot, no seats and, basically, is an old warehouse. Supposedly the venue has it's charm: we'll see. We're making a bit of a getaway from it (without the kids :-)) so suits us fine.

When I saw Crowded House perform 10 years ago, I was surprised how many younger people there were. The audience leaned toward middle age but there were a ton of people in their twenties (like me). 

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Actually I think that older people generally have more money than younger people; what they have less of, perhaps, is time. Many fans from the early nineties probably have grown children now. I know there are some outliers like you, Paul,  (or me for that matter) who have young children but generally most of the people I know who are my age have children who are at least in their teens.

Nevertheless the fan base may just be lower than they think...but here's the thing: there's going to be an album and one assumes some kind of promotion for it; my ticket in Berlin is for  the end of June -- that's still  nearly five months away. My guess is, once the album comes out, and the promotional machine starts rolling, tickets will sell faster.

TW CLASSIC Sunday 21 June 2020 Festivalpark WERCHTER, BELGIUM line-up has been announced:

13:00 - 13:50 Sons
14:30 - 15:30 Sinéad O'Connor
16:10 - 17:10 Kaiser Chiefs
17:55 - 18:55 CROWDED HOUSE
19:55 - 21:00 The Killers
22:00 - 00:00 Paul McCartney

... expected the allocated time would be shorter than a regular gig "in the grand scheme of festival things", but ... one hour ... !? 

Playing second fiddle to the killers? Ouch.

same line up as sir macca.... let’s countdown to the inevitable erroneous “neil finn is the best songwriter in the world, says sir paul”..:: 🙄

In case there's still any doubts - a reminder that it's already been soundly debunked by the man himself: 

https://www.frenzforum.com/top...tney-talks-neil-finn

That whole template of Artist A is complimented on being the best songwriter/guitarist/painter/footballer/author... and defers to (insert your favorite Artist B) is as old as the hills. It grows legs, spreads and becomes a fact that never was - I think Eric Clapton may have been artist used in the original incarnation decades ago.  

It is a pity that everyone appears to be given such a truncated allocation of their usual stage time at TW Classic - maybe there's one or two bands too many on the bill, but that's the nature of festival sets - it's still a great lineup. I bought tickets before Crowded House were announced so I'm regarding it as a Paul McCartney show with bonus hour of my favorite band, now with the added bonus of an hour of Sinéad O'Connor too.

Let’s consider what it would be like if all acts would play a full show. I once attended an Eric Clapton / Elton John double bill with Bonnie Ryatt as a support act. So two full shows and a support act.  That was a VERY long day and too much of too many good things. 

I love CH obviously and would really love to see Macca. But don’t think I would like it better if both acts would play 120 mins sets. 

I refuse to see Neil finn under the name of crowded house ever again. Last time I did was 2010 and that was pushing it. I did say to mark out back, this is the last time. He genuinely seemed sad but I didn't mean to hurt his feelings, it's just, I think Neil has milked the name enough.

I took a few years off listening to ch because he pissed me off for that very reason. And I used to LOOOVE their music. Those of you who know me, and I know some of you do, will know I am true.

I just can't do it anymore. If Neil comes out as Neil or Neil and friends or pajama club or orangutans alive, I'm all for it. But crowded house? No. More power to y'all who want to tho. 😊❤

PS I've never reproduced (by choice) so that has NOTHING to do with it 😆

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Would you care to elaborate on why Neil playing as Crowded House in 2010 was pushing it?  

How was the 2007 version of Crowded House?

 

 

 

 

 

Would you care to elaborate on why Neil playing as Crowded House in 2010 was pushing it?  

Because 2 out of 4 band members were American. It was just weird. Paul had been dead for 5 years and he was a big part of ch. A BIG part.

2007 was weird as well but I gave it a chance, I'm not a black and white bitch, it was on a boat, I thought it'd be fun. But as we got on the national express to head to Bristol, I found out our geddy died. So it was a really weird show. Our friend is dead but so called ch has reunited. And Neil fell over amps from too much red wine. Any more questions, your honour?

Would you care to elaborate why you're being so defensive of a band that just doesn't exist anymore?

 

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I didn't mention my seeing them in 2007 in my original response. Funny how you knew that. Whoever YOU are, like I care.

Oh yes, would you care to elaborate why you would want to see Neil tour under the name of ch, in 2020, after he sold out and toured with the mac?

Again, I don't really care but it's fun to watch people get their panties in a twist over it.  You guys are so serious sometimes 😙

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I see. Reading between the lines I think we'll leave you right alone to the "Crowded House does not exist anymore" Club, however big that club may be, surely time will tell. 

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In2FINN2 posted:

TW CLASSIC Sunday 21 June 2020 Festivalpark WERCHTER, BELGIUM line-up has been announced:

13:00 - 13:50 Sons
14:30 - 15:30 Sinéad O'Connor
16:10 - 17:10 Kaiser Chiefs
17:55 - 18:55 CROWDED HOUSE
19:55 - 21:00 The Killers
22:00 - 00:00 Paul McCartney

... expected the allocated time would be shorter than a regular gig "in the grand scheme of festival things", but ... one hour ... !? 

Crowded House and Paul ! This would be superb

awamutu posted:

Would you care to elaborate on why Neil playing as Crowded House in 2010 was pushing it?  

Because 2 out of 4 band members were American. It was just weird. Paul had been dead for 5 years and he was a big part of ch. A BIG part.

2007 was weird as well but I gave it a chance, I'm not a black and white bitch, it was on a boat, I thought it'd be fun. But as we got on the national express to head to Bristol, I found out our geddy died. So it was a really weird show. Our friend is dead but so called ch has reunited. And Neil fell over amps from too much red wine. Any more questions, your honour?

Would you care to elaborate why you're being so defensive of a band that just doesn't exist anymore?

 

Neil and Nick have been in the band since it started . That's 2 thirds of the original lineup. Mark was part of the band in some respect from 1989 -2019 . When they toured in 2010 , they had a new drummer because Paul had sadly passed away. 

I'm really disapointed that Neil fired Mark . I love him , as he was a massive part of the band. 

If they were going to replace him with anybody , the guy that produced and played keyboards on their first 3 albums would be as good a choice as any !

Just because you don't like it , it doesn't mean Crowded House don't exist anymore. They clearly very much do - I have tickets to go and see them . It is frankly ridiculous to claim otherwise.

Great that CH have been added to this year's Glasto lineup.  But given how fast events are unfolding with regards to the corona virus pandemic,  I'd be quite surprised if the European tour went ahead - especially since a number of the shows are festival appearances.  With Italy in total lockdown and the World Health Organisation calling for more aggressive action from other countries to slow the spread of the virus, I think we are going to see an avalanche of cancellations/postponments of any events involving large gatherings.

I also expect the Byron Bay Bluesfest scheduled for next month to be  cancelled.

GLASTONBURY 2020 CANCELLED

sadly GLASTONBURY is the first major European festival to be cancelled. Quite probably more to follow - corona impact over here in Belgium is calling for measures UNprecedented - ... mixed feelings about the offer to the 135,000 people who have already paid a deposit to roll their £50 deposit over to next year, and in doing so guarantee them the opportunity to buy a ticket for Glastonbury 2021 ... that's possibly a one-year bank interest on £6,750,000 NOT going to those 135,000 people ... may I suggest using that kind of "xtra pocket money" to contribute to the battle against and the financial aftermath of corona

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Good idea!

I have a feeling 2020 will just be cancelled altogether. (And 2021 will be the best year ever.)

Steve Shealy posted:

Hope they will put the time to good use in the studio, and produce an amazing album!

Didn't Neil mention on Fangradio that they had already finished recording before the studio had to close? Or did I get that wrong? 

stuartjb posted:

When did he say that ? Was that the most recent show - I’m listening now 

No, it was in one of the earlier ones, the first I think, but I'm not sure. 

Mica posted:
stuartjb posted:

When did he say that ? Was that the most recent show - I’m listening now 

No, it was in one of the earlier ones, the first I think, but I'm not sure. 

Actually, in today's broadcast (March 26th) Neil mentioned they are still making the new record having had to abandon sessions due to the current corona situation, Nick being in Ireland at the moment - bass parts are done

I'm wondering when this tour will be officially cancelled / rescheduled ?

My tickets cost around £40 - which for a band like Crowded House is an absolute bargain in my opinion !

stuartjb posted:
awamutu posted:

Would you care to elaborate on why Neil playing as Crowded House in 2010 was pushing it?  

Because 2 out of 4 band members were American. It was just weird. Paul had been dead for 5 years and he was a big part of ch. A BIG part.

2007 was weird as well but I gave it a chance, I'm not a black and white bitch, it was on a boat, I thought it'd be fun. But as we got on the national express to head to Bristol, I found out our geddy died. So it was a really weird show. Our friend is dead but so called ch has reunited. And Neil fell over amps from too much red wine. Any more questions, your honour?

Would you care to elaborate why you're being so defensive of a band that just doesn't exist anymore?

 

Neil and Nick have been in the band since it started . That's 2 thirds of the original lineup. Mark was part of the band in some respect from 1989 -2019 . When they toured in 2010 , they had a new drummer because Paul had sadly passed away. 

I'm really disapointed that Neil fired Mark . I love him , as he was a massive part of the band. 

If they were going to replace him with anybody , the guy that produced and played keyboards on their first 3 albums would be as good a choice as any !

Just because you don't like it , it doesn't mean Crowded House don't exist anymore. They clearly very much do - I have tickets to go and see them . It is frankly ridiculous to claim otherwise.

Hi Stuart, thanks for replying to a post that wasn't addressed to you. I wasn't "claiming" anything and it's frankly ridiculous to not know the difference between that and an opinion. Let's pick up from there, then. I had no idea Neil fired Mark. But there was also Craig, Tim (ahem), Peter and Matt... but that's beside the point of my original opinion. For some of us, the name Crowded House means a hell of a lot. I won't begin to speculate what it means to anyone else but for me it was a certain sound, a certain attitude and it was a very special but fleeting moment in time. Neil called it quits in '96. Damn! But it made sense... to little ole me. That chapter was done. Solo Neil was fab! Then many years later, for some unknown reason, he came back with the name again and, to me, it just seemed (seems) really disrespectful to the memory. I think I've said already here that if others are ok with him calling himself, his family, the milkman, and ...Froom??!! Crowded House then so be it. More power to them, I hope you all have a grande time. It's just not for me. Is that ok? ;- ) I seem to remember it's ok to respectfully disagree here.

Today, thanks to the blasted isolation, I decided to finally tackle the task of sorting and tidying up the Finn discs I've accumulated over many years. And I thought of this thread. At first I thought, "omg, he still played a hella lot of CH" but he wrote the songs (primarily, as far as i know) AND he performed them under his own name. I repeat myself, when he came back with CH (including Mark and Matt) I found it a bit weird (if Brits think of the Office and the awkward moments on that, you'll get it) but loved the music so I bought the albums and went to some shows. Good times...but... to me, it still, just wasn't the same. Perhaps I tried re-living the past? Maybe he did, too? Others certainly are! Neil is great but he is only one guy and does not encapsulate the spirit that *was* CH. See what I mean?

It might just be semantics on my part but he's a creative guy (obviously) and if he doesn't want to work under his own name, s***, go back to the Mullanes! lol, I don't know. He surely could come up with another name (Barbara Stanwick's Chest? ;- )) Would it have been cool if Macca went out on is own and called whoever wanted to play with him the Beatles? No. So it's not a name issue, it's a recognisable issue, which doesn't even make sense because in the 16 years I've been in the UK about 3 people I've spoken to have known that name without me having to sing "everywhere you go..." He knows if he calls it Crowded House, the die-hards will come running, tripping over their open wallets and tongues along the way. Just my opinion...

So while I was sorting and tidying I came along this- a Johnny Walker interview from 2001? https://drive.google.com/file/...68G/view?usp=sharing  I honestly love that he sang with someone over the phone but his response to a CH reunion is interesting. He even ended it with a ",luv", which I've always found condescending. Is he trying to compete with Fleetwood Mac for most "reunion" tours?  

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Is he trying to compete with Fleetwood Mac for most "reunion" tours?  

 

Reunion/farewell tours - Crowded House only have a couple.
There's no contest or comparison, KISS win that competition all day, every day and twice on Sundays. 
Saw the first farewell tour back in 2000 - even Ace and Peter were in the lineup two decades ago! Before the Miley virus shut down touring they were one of the last shows to come to town recently for the latest farewell. 

I saw the tour before that one ('97?). "Why are you two taking 40% each, and the other guys only get 10%?"  "Well, you've got two guys in the front seat and two in the back"

UPDATE: the Belgian National Security Council today decided all measures to stop the impact of the corona virus are prolonged till May 04th 20 ... also NO mass events such as festivals may be organised till SEPTEMBER 01st 2020 ... which means NO TOMORROWLAND, NO ROCKWERCHTER, .... and NO TWCLASSIC - CROWDED HOUSE June 21st 20 ... official TW CLASSIC statement at https://www.twclassic.be/en/ ... let's hope re-scheduling leads to CROWDED HOUSE returning to Belgium later this year ...

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