I'll paste my thoughts from the other thread: 

 

For the first time, possibly ever, my thoughts are suspended. Not in a bad, or a repulsed way. But, it's just a strangely whimsical piece of music. It definitely doesn't register as a song you'd release as a first single, but maybe that's what's provoking me to think about the song so much. It's like a collage of ideas within a continuum of sound. Sorry if that sounds pretentious. Again, i've never reacted to a Finn song like this before. This is a good thing because it's definitely not boring.  

 

But, I just don't have any thoughts so far. Even by Pajama Club standards, this is a real departure from anything he has done, especially since we're discussing a lead single. 

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

I'm sure the rest of the album isn't like this

 

You're correct, it's not. If you follow the iTunes pre-order link you can preview samples from the album. Mind you, the entire album doesn't reflect either of his solo albums and is pretty different from anything Crowded House has released. Think...Pajama Club, meets Try Whistling This with a whole lot of new stuff thrown in. 

Originally Posted by TryWhistlingThis:
Think...Pajama Club, meets Try Whistling This with a whole lot of new stuff thrown in.


That's a pretty good analogy!  I totally agree with you, although I don't think I would have been able to articulate it if you hadn't said it first.
Originally Posted by brownie:
Originally Posted by TryWhistlingThis:
Think...Pajama Club, meets Try Whistling This with a whole lot of new stuff thrown in.
 

 

 

 

Ahah - to be honest I think I was putting it pretty mildly. Frankly, it leans more toward a grander, more eccentric Pajama Club but there's some of the darker undertones of TWT there too. Sonically it's just...BOOOM! Yeah, that's about as articulate as I can get for now. 


Yes, yes, I'm sure I love it.  But if I were out trying to entice the public to check out So. Pacific Radio Gothic, I wouldn't lead off with "Log Drums" or "Orange and Blue".  I can't imagine 90% of people hearing "Divebomber" will then being interested in hearing the rest of the album.  Very strange choice when there are clearly some amazing songs on the record.  But Neil's always been a bit perverse and I'm sure there's a lot more promotion to come.

I'm surprised at some of the reactions to this song. I felt really blown away by this. I seem to remember hearing about this song before but hadn't heard it till now. What I really like it the lack of polish particularly on the vocals. I think Neil is at his best when he is in the spur of the moment and that is what I sense from this song.

 

PS was this song previously played live?

Originally Posted by Paināporo:

Yes, yes, I'm sure I love it.  But if I were out trying to entice the public to check out So. Pacific Radio Gothic, I wouldn't lead off with "Log Drums" or "Orange and Blue".  I can't imagine 90% of people hearing "Divebomber" will then being interested in hearing the rest of the album.  Very strange choice when there are clearly some amazing songs on the record.  But Neil's always been a bit perverse and I'm sure there's a lot more promotion to come.

I like Divebomber but I would agree with you that it's not a good choice to drum up interest in the record. Neil doesn't seem very good at choosing leading singles. "Saturday Sun" was a dreadful choice that in my opinion killed Intriguer commercially, and "Don't Stop Now" was a pretty boring song to announce Crowded House's return. Divebomber is interesting but sounds like the least commercial song on the record.

This is not a single.

This is a piece of music that I felt in my chest, in my heart beat before I made any sense of it in my head.  It made my chest feel tight and swell with emotion. 

My immediate thoughts were about how appropriate this piece of music was for Armistice, the period of remembrance in the period up to the 11th day of the 11th month when we remember those who gave their lives in battles through the ages.

I know the video clip is nothing to do with planes or battle or war, but the images of people jumping into clouds are totally thrilling, beautiful, and a bit frightening too.  For something Neil has largely done himself it is pretty amazing, rough edges and all!

I also thought of the Flaming Lips, as well as Ween to a lesser extent. The part after the initial intro reminds me of the intro to Dire Straits' Money For Nothing as well (!)

 

FWIW I'm really impressed with this track. I'd much rather have a decisively "not pop" song as the lead single than a weak pop song like Saturday Sun.

 

 Originally Posted by slowpogo:

Divebomber sounds exactly like a Flaming Lips song to me...surprised nobody else's mentioned that, since the Lips are probably Dave Fridmann's most famous association. And Neil's singing is very much like Wayne Coyne's falsetto warbling.

 

I also thought of the Flaming Lips, as well as Ween to a lesser extent. The part after the initial intro reminds me of the intro to Dire Straits' Money For Nothing as well (!)

 

FWIW I'm really impressed with this track. I'd much rather have a decisively "not pop" as the lead single than a weak pop song like Saturday Sun.

 

 

After a good 20 listens, I'm really starting to love this song. Such a sense of mystery and memory. I find it odd that it's track 4 though. It seems too dramatic to appear so early in the record. To me it seems the perfect last/second-to-last song but maybe it will make more sense in the context.

I don't know about Neil's marketing plans for the rest of the world, but he clearly knows how to get this forum chatting!  If he's only marketing to his obsessed fan base, then job well done!  Unfortunately, I think we were all going to buy the album any way.

Originally Posted by Spencer Goode:

       

After a good 20 listens, I'm really starting to love this song. Such a sense of mystery and memory. I find it odd that it's track 4 though. It seems too dramatic to appear so early in the record. To me it seems the perfect last/second-to-last song but maybe it will make more sense in the context.


       


That's exactly what I was thinking! It sounds like it would be a perfect album closer.

After lots of listens I'm REALLY liking this song and I'm getting more and more excited for the album. February is so far away!

I've held off from passing comment until I'd given it a few listens.

This particular song is a step too far "different" for my taste. I've not heard any of the rest of Dizzy Heights bar those featured in the webcast. From that small sample, Divebomber doesn't appear to be particularly indicative of the rest of the album. However, even if it were, I'll still end up buying it. Whether it becomes an essential part of my Finn related listening or just an interesting diversion, as with Pajama Club, is another matter entirely. I'll look forward to finding out.

What this evokes to me is Peter Gabriel, specifically "Signal to Noise." I don't mean that in terms of the songs being similar. I'm not a huge Peter Gabriel fan, but I remember, years ago, hearing "Signal to Noise" when it first came out, and feeling the unique, otherworldly weirdness of it become something remarkably dramatic and gripping. That's the same feeling I'm getting from "Divebomber." It doesn't seem to come from this planet. I don't know if I'd enjoy a whole album of "Divebomber"s, but as one track, it's incredible.

 

-Comp

Firstly, I'll qualify my post by saying that I haven't listened to/watched the video and I have no intention of doing so before release day.

 

But THIS IS NOT THE FIRST SINGLE. It's a video Neil has put together using one of his new recordings, that he's chosen to share with us as a little gift. S'all. Consider it on that basis alone and draw no further conclusions from it than that.

I don't see why Neil would bother with a catchy 3 minute single. It's not gonna get picked up and top the charts no matter how good it is. So he might as well go freaky.
I have found the last couple of crowded house albums perfectly ok but you ask yourself how many Finn pop songs do we need? We have hundreds. So why not see where else Neil Finn can go?
This is fantastic, it's kinda as if Finn accessed the dark parts he explored on "temple of low men" but then went a little further down the tunnel. Bring on the album!
Originally Posted by Byrds Talk to Me:

I also thought of the Flaming Lips, as well as Ween to a lesser extent. The part after the initial intro reminds me of the intro to Dire Straits' Money For Nothing as well (!)

 

FWIW I'm really impressed with this track. I'd much rather have a decisively "not pop" song as the lead single than a weak pop song like Saturday Sun.

 

 Originally Posted by slowpogo:

Divebomber sounds exactly like a Flaming Lips song to me...surprised nobody else's mentioned that, since the Lips are probably Dave Fridmann's most famous association. And Neil's singing is very much like Wayne Coyne's falsetto warbling.

 

I also thought of the Flaming Lips, as well as Ween to a lesser extent. The part after the initial intro reminds me of the intro to Dire Straits' Money For Nothing as well (!)

 

 as soon as i saw that comment i agreed. good comparison.  I think i need to live with it before i decide if i like it. 

 

 

May I suggest to anyone kind of on the edge of like/dislike, to first listen to Neil's inspiration for the song (thank you TMC), have a glass of Pinot, turn the audio up full blast, lie back, close your eyes and feel the music and lyrics. Let your inhibitions and expectations go and join Neil on where he's taking us. Really would appreciate a longer version of the song.

I agree Mejojo.  I liked Dive Bomber at first listen.  I'd love to hear a longer version of this song as well.  And reading about Neil's inspiration for the song (after first listening to it) solidified my liking it even more.  I'm really looking forward to the album and to hearing the new songs in concert (and at the NY showcase on Nov 21st!).  

My initial thought was "...but Neil, you have the most amazing voice...why are you doing this in such a flat sounding falsetto?". I was saddened by the new direction and couldn't even finish listening to the track. Then I left the song alone for the best part of the day and on repeat listens found it horrifically beautiful yet ghastly. Now I just just find it beautiful, the melodic hooks are materializing from the smog of shock and disorientation. I think I actually love this song.
Note: these are my first thoughts. Sorry to say but that is a little too far over to the creative artsy weird side then for my liking...looking forward to the other songs to let this one escape my mind. I do appreciate what Neil is doing by trying to create a song based on a very significant topic and visual and sound but the type of music and sounds of this song is not what I would seek to listen to or  want from Neil. I know there are fans here that will say they like this no matter what just because it is Neil...but I can't do that. I will let you know what I feel after more listens
Originally Posted by Welsh Dan:

       
Lauren Laverne played Divebomber on BBC Radio 6 Music this morning, she said it was ASTONISHING

       
REALLY!!!

I'd like to hear that can you point the way with a link? 
When I looked on Lauren's site I found nothing
Originally Posted by renzo:
Can hardly wait to see the honest opinion of this song by some of the regulars of the site: treegirl, finngirl, my PEG friend....etc.
 
 
Why thank you
 
 
Well, my honest opinion is I still don't know what to think, I certainly don't have it but I just can't say it 'sounds' like a Neil song (other than sounding like Neil's singing) it to me sounds more like a cover of someone else's song that is being performed by PjC 

 

Originally Posted by Kittybear:
Originally Posted by Welsh Dan:

       
Lauren Laverne played Divebomber on BBC Radio 6 Music this morning, she said it was ASTONISHING

       
REALLY!!!

I'd like to hear that can you point the way with a link? 
When I looked on Lauren's site I found nothing

Unfortunately,Dive Bomber isn't mentioned in the playlist but it is here:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03ftd07 

 

Starts with Lauren talking about Dave Fridmann at about 1:42

 

Sounds awesome on the radio.

The headphones moment, how appropriate for this song

Thank you Neilsknees

You're right it does sound impressive on the radio, but I don't think Neil intended this song for radio play, it maybe mondegreens but I'm sure Neil uses the F word (albeit muffled) in the lyrics!

In truth I'm not sure how much I enjoy Divebomber, it's a song that makes me think of war and death and remembrance, it makes me emotional which is not the same as liking or enjoying is it?

Kittybear, I feel exactly the same way about this song, particularly the feeling/sense of Death.

I’m not sure exactly how to describe it… It certainly evokes Pink Floyd’s The Final Cut as well as some of the dreamscapes of Neil’s Lullaby Requiem … listening to this sound-collage ( I don’t want to just call it a song) and watching the ethereal images that accompany this piece, I was genuinely moved. It was a weird combination of nostalgia, melancholy and inner-peace.

I know this is going to sound crazy, but this piece scares me. Not as in the shocking or alarming reaction you get from terror or horror; but genuinely afraid of my feelings. It made me feel mortal and almost microscopic in the larger scheme of life… For some weird reason it reminds me of the euthanasia process in the movie “Soylent Green” and it’s visual and musical montage…

 

I love Neil and everything he produces as an artist. I wasn’t a fan of the Pajama Club project and I still don’t know how I feel about Dive-bomber except for the fact that it has definitely affected me (and dare I say even changed me a little), after all that is the ultimate goal of any piece of Art.  

In my opinion this is by far the most thought provoking work Neil has ever created. People are saying that the rest of the Album is different and more listener-friendly; I don’t know if that is a relief or if it saddens me that he didn’t pursue this concept any further. Either way, I’m excited and looking forward to what’s ahead.

I wanted to write my first thoughts down on Divebomber.

 

My first reaction was utter bewilderment. It took me by surprise. Partly because I know Neil had been working on something and at the same time I hadn't been thinking about what to expect (like I usually try and imagine).

 

My next reaction was complete disappointment. I didn't like PJC much at all and thought maybe I was going to feel the same way about this new record.

 

I gave it a day and listened to it again and it's hard to explain how I feel about the song now. I WANT to play it again and again, yet I can't say I like it yet. Such an odd feeling... it's interesting for the moment is the best I've got...

 

Watched the webcast. The songs sounded OK. White Lies and Alibis really stood out for me. Especially that chord change at "We do what we can to survive" (not sure if that's the line). Definitely an unexpected change.

 

Overall I am interested in what's to come... that's as best as I can put my feelings at the moment. Has anyone tried to get the words out yet?

Originally Posted by mejojo:
Originally Posted by proudpom:
Originally Posted by mejojo:

May I suggest to anyone kind of on the edge of like/dislike, to first listen to Neil's inspiration for the song (thank you TMC)

 

Where can we listen to Neil's inspiration? What's TMC?


He discussed it on the webcast, really brings the inspiration to light.

http://youtu.be/BHrEjvjx4s4

 

Neil may have discussed where he got the original inspiration from for the song but something he failed to realise is not everyone knows what he was talking about when he said "and Divebomber is a film that I saw on TCM recently" so for those out of the know:

 

Turner Classic Movies or "TCM" as it is known is a pay-tv channel broadcast worldwide. In both Australia and New Zealand, TCM focuses it's format on classic Hollywood movies. It tends to favour films from 1920 - 1970 with a few exceptions. Films like:

  •  Boys Town (Mickey Rooney, Spencer Tracy)
  •  Larceny Inc (Edward G. Robinson)
  •  The Mating Game (Tony Randall, Debbie Reynolds)
  •  You're In The Army Now (Jimmy Durante, Phil Silvers)
  •  Tom Thumb (Peter Sellers, Terry Thomas, Alan Young)
  •  Kissin' Cousins (Elvis)
  •  Blossoms In The Dust (Greer Garson)
  •  They Were Expendable (John Wayne)
  •  The Long, Long Trailer (Desi Arnaz & Lucille Ball)

 

"Divebomber" is a 1941 war drama film starring Errol Flynn & Fred MacMurray. I would suggest that anyone here who has not seen the film "Divebomber" to search for the plot on Wikipedia (probably one of the only times you can trust wikipedia - rarely seen a page that's dedicated to film write-ups to be incorrect) or imdb.

 

EDIT: PS - In Australia, TCM is currently being carried by FOXTEL. A family member is a real movie buff and she watches it all the time.

Yes, I had to smile when I saw Divebomber was inspired by TCM. I was introduced to a lot of great movies there.

To me the song reminds me of a recurring dream (not the song ) I have about literally walking on the Auroras. As I go further, the colors fade and I drift back to deep sleep. It's a pretty beautiful dream.

I listen this song from the day came out and I can say this: My Dear God, how he manage do to it after all these years? From where he put it out,? This is not a song, this is a beauty, this is the most beautifull uncomerciall song I heard in years. So complex, so fulfill, so emotional, so unique, so different; how many things happen there; whistling, orchestra, drumming, lyrics out of any conception (bomber from world war 2??? what an inspiration!!; structure of song that you cant catch it neither by tail or head.

 

Neil, better teaser to warm me up for upcoming album you couldnt find. I am abstainer from unofficial versions of new songs (WEBCAST, LIVE, EVEN PREVIEWS), and I dont hear nothing yet appart official "Flying in the...", but this song is not only for fans, it is for music misfits, seekers for something new, different, real musical lovers.

Ofcourse, I must mention Daves producing which is spectatular, atmosferic and excacly what I hoped to be on whole album.

This Dizzy Heights is gonna be my most looking forward and expecting Neils album ever ( and few days ago I thought it was Intriguer). To do this after 30 years of making music, only few in this world can. Neil is one of them.

I was a bit surprised on first listen to this and (stupidly) posted an unenthusiastic  comment and said I hoped it would grow on me on Neil's facebook page.  I've now been blocked on Neil's facebook page which I'm mortified about as like so many of you here, he's my absolute hero and neils music means the world to me. we clearly we have to be careful what we say about this folks ....I think dive bomber will elicit strong responses from people either one way or the other I guess you will either get it or not.the pictures are great. 

Originally Posted by linzimoor:

I was a bit surprised on first listen to this and (stupidly) posted an unenthusiastic  comment and said I hoped it would grow on me on Neil's facebook page.  I've now been blocked on Neil's facebook page which I'm mortified about as like so many of you here, he's my absolute hero and neils music means the world to me. we clearly we have to be careful what we say about this folks ....I think dive bomber will elicit strong responses from people either one way or the other I guess you will either get it or not.the pictures are great. 

 

So, if I understand it correctly, you have been gave unenthusiastic comment about Divebomber on Neils FB and been blocked just because of that? You havent been offencive in any way, rude, just gave your opinnion? If thats right, person who administrate Neils FB (I doubt it was Neil personally) should be more opened and democratic, as I recall Neil mentioned more than few times that Pussy Riots should be free. Your "victim" was pretty smaller than theirs

 

Thank you Mariola - I don't think it was a rude or offensive comment and it certainly wasn't intended to be . I dont think neil does facebook - he says he can't understand it on his webcast recently. I like to think that neil can cope with some criticism from time to time - dive bomber is different and all credit to neil for all the different things he does. Very very sad  that I've been barred. there were quite a few other frenz saying similar things I wonder if they have all been barred too. 

The acknowledgement section of Neil's website list Jeremy Ansell as the website and facebook curator.  But I believe the record company also oversees the facebook page as well given all the ticket and records sales announcements.  It's more likely the record company "blocked" you.  It might be helpful to contact Jeremy at info@neilfinn.com and let him know.  I don't believe Jeremy would block a fan for given their opinion.  

 

Originally Posted by Above the Kitchen:

After watching the video a couple of times, I have come to this realization: this is Neil's most complete and effective marriage of sound and vision.  It will be hard to separate the two when the album is released.

That's an interesting perspective. Oddly, even though I've played the video many times, I've yet to actually watch it. I always put it on and then do other computer things. Maybe I should look at it at some point.

 

-Comp

Originally Posted by linzimoor:

Thank you Bosfinnfan - that is helpful. I feel a little better to think that it might be the record co/ pr crew. I guess I'm used to the more active discussions we have here and stupidly treated fb the same. 

I don't understand why Neil's record company would do this and why they would even care what is said on his facebook page.  I would have thought that a smaller label would be a little more relaxed.  So long as you were not offensive, it's just you opinion.

amjfrenz - no not offensive or rude , just an opinion. A number of people agreed with me and i know that some were frenz.  i have Seen many more negative views on here (Especially for pajama club which i really liked).  I'm quite taken aback and gutted by the blocking  and given that there were quite a few frenz saying similar I wonder if the same has happened to them.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by linzimoor:

amjfrenz - no not offensive or rude , just an opinion. A number of people agreed with me and i know that some were frenz.  i have Seen many more negative views on here (Especially for pajama club which i really liked).  I'm quite taken aback and gutted by the blocking  and given that there were quite a few frenz saying similar I wonder if the same has happened to them.

 

 

 But I am still having trouble believing that Neil's record company is monitoring his facebook page.  Neil doesn't really spend time looking at so why would they?  It's all very strange.  Are you sure that it's not Facebook themselves doing it?  They do monitor accounts and have been know to block people over a silly misunderstanding.  I once saw a story on the news of a woman with a down-syndrome child.  She had posted pictures of the child from some event, may have been the child's birthday.  Facebook blocked her account because they deemed the pictures were making fun of people with down-syndrome.  Go figure?

 

 

Amjfrenz - I can't work it out reAlly . Ive checked the obvious tech  issues and can access the page from other people's fb accounts on my computer so it is a blocking of some sort. It may well be facebook themselves. It is a very over the top response to one commemt from whomever did it and if that is what is going on I think half of us here would fall foul of such things From time to time...  : (  

Yikes, I gave this one another chance and I just absolutely hate listening to it. I think it just brings me too down...maybe that is the genius in it. If only Neil went the other way to surprise us and go all out in a rockin way...maybe on a Led Zepp tangent. This one just should not be on a cd and I don't care how experimental Neil is.....it is B side stuff at best.
Originally Posted by renzo:
Yikes, I gave this one another chance and I just absolutely hate listening to it. I think it just brings me too down...maybe that is the genius in it. If only Neil went the other way to surprise us and go all out in a rockin way...maybe on a Led Zepp tangent. This one just should not be on a cd and I don't care how experimental Neil is.....it is B side stuff at best.

One more shot? :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ZB5qlwRs4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUcG7--1pBd9T5esBDwwjSVg

I really do love this song, but I absolutely can't see it as a single.  I was nonplussed at first, as many of you seem to have been, and I don't think that's the reaction most musicians are going for when they release a single.  Then again, Neil often seems to be going for that effect.

 

(P.S.  I haven't posted here in forever.  Everything is totally different.  I might need to lurk around for a while to get used to things again.)

Oh, what a song, remarkable, special, poetic, beautiful in one word. Still growing on me, after few dozens of listening every time its getting better and better, just when I have thought that cant be better... still cant belive how good this is!!! This time listening I was focused on drums in second half, almost military, but anyway unique... Great!!

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