I think thats a little harsh; I'd probably expect Liam to be / should be involved. I'd also hope for a couple of Neil's solo songs to be included within the listing of possible songs; think She Will Have Her Way is certainly one of these.

I was surprised to read Mark's tweet saying he was not part of the show BUT the show goes on. For me, a line up with Neil, Nick, Matt, Liam, Mitchell Froom feels very Crowded House; even if Mick Fleetwood turns up on drums instead of Matt and Mike Campbell on guitar, why not? They are all capable musicians who will do the Crowded House name proud. 

Really hoping this is more than a special show at Byron Bay; not sure what to make of the little bit of blurb describing it as an exclusive Australian performance!! Hoping this will make it as far as England but not sure I will hold my breath for new music!

Monsieur Nick posted:

I think thats a little harsh; I'd probably expect Liam to be / should be involved. I'd also hope for a couple of Neil's solo songs to be included within the listing of possible songs; think She Will Have Her Way is certainly one of these.

I was surprised to read Mark's tweet saying he was not part of the show BUT the show goes on. For me, a line up with Neil, Nick, Matt, Liam, Mitchell Froom feels very Crowded House; even if Mick Fleetwood turns up on drums instead of Matt and Mike Campbell on guitar, why not? They are all capable musicians who will do the Crowded House name proud. 

Really hoping this is more than a special show at Byron Bay; not sure what to make of the little bit of blurb describing it as an exclusive Australian performance!! Hoping this will make it as far as England but not sure I will hold my breath for new music!

It’s not a brand though - it’s a band !  At least it used to be ! EMI wanted Neil to issue try whistling this as Crowded House . He didn’t want to then - why now ?!

 

 

So, what if this move is actually all about TIM re-joining CH??  The timing would be right to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the ‘Woodface’ era.

One of the things that didn’t go well 30 years ago was that, in live shows, Tim was in over his head as The Keyboard Guy (which led to Mark being brought back into the touring band), and then when Tim was relieved of keyboard duties and moved out front, he felt his presence was rather superfluous during the non-Woodface songs.  (‘I felt like Stevie Nicks” — oh, the irony!)

Perhaps Tim feels like he would be in a much stronger position to hold up his end musically this time around, and he told Neil, “I’d love to join CH again for this 30th anniversary stuff — we could be magic — but I can’t be Stevie Nicks again ... besides you’ve already got one.”

So, Crowded House 3.0 would be a revisit of the 1990-1991 Woodface lineup (albeit, sadly, without Paulo) ... and, in addition to a live tour to celebrate the ‘Woodface’ 30th anniversary, the next CH album is going to be centered around another excellent Neil-Tim collaborative effort.  (I read somewhere recently that Neil & Tim had an album’s worth of songs in the works but hadn’t yet decided under which name to release it.)

C’mon, it fits, people!  And it could be great!!  And it’s the only decent justification I can imagine for why Mark would be asked to step aside.

Yes, I realize none of this explains the presence of Mitchell Froom ... perhaps he’s just a placeholder until Tim feels ready to assume full keyboard responsibilities?  Or, since there are a fair number of CH songs that have keyboards AND a second guitar, Mitchell would be brought onstage just for those songs?  (Although there’s no way he’s not doing the DDIO keyboard solo — he invented it!)

Just to be clear:  I really like Mark.  I like his musicality.  I like the presence he brings to the band, and I’ll miss it.  I like his solo albums.  I like the fact that he’s a real gentleman who took the time to answer (via email) a question I had about his slide guitar work.  I wish he were still in CH, and I wish him nothing but goodwill ... and hopefully, a return to CH at least one more time before the band is permanently shuttered.

To those saying liam is entitled to join ...

no... he had his audition with light sleeper and i’d argue he didnt get the gig. Sure, he’s played as backing guitarist and that should be the extent of his involvement.

to those pining about tim... no ... been there done that. Nice songs, horrible live.

sharon ... i hope nick’s health is good... her bass playing is leaden.

elroy ... nice drummer, would save on airfares for matt... but no, pls no.

If theres something Neil needs around him as an influence From what weve seen over the past decade it’s energy ... not family comforts.

It’s hard to see mitchell froom as a long term solution.

if this is a one off its hard to see why he’d fire mark ... if it’s anything more than a one off it’s hard to see froom bringing much long term ... mixed signals

 

I’m just as shocked and equally disappointed with the news... Mark Hart is not only an integral part of the music, the history, and the overall brand, he’s genuinely one of the nicest guys ever. His presence added a level of maturity and musical sophistication that will be very-very hard to replicate. As a multi-instrumentalist and vocalist he will leave a gap that is virtually impossible to fill... Here’s hoping Rick Davies’ health is on the mend, and maybe Supertramp decides to do a world tour or Ringo Starr calls up and invites him back to his All-Starr band.

In terms of the future of Crowded House, the silver lining here is that the band will likely go on beyond just the single show in Sydney in April next year. Who will actually be in the band, and what (if any) new material will we get, will likely remain a mystery until after Fleetwood Mac wraps their tour later in the fall. Neil is intentionally and rightfully trying not take any attention away from the Mac; they’ve been really good to him and he owes them that much.

My guess is Matt is also out (I really hope I’m wrong, but how/why could they ditch Mark and keep Matt?).

The idea of Mitchell Froom joining them in Sydney (and maybe beyond) is exciting, and also indicates they’re covered in terms of keyboards (at least for the Bluesfest show). Still I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we see Eddy Rayner play some part in the future of the band.

In terms of who’ll be drumming, here are a few guesses (ordered in terms of probability): Elroy / Mick Fleetwood / Joey Waronker / Rob Hirst (Midnight Oil) / Glenn Kotche (Wilco) / Matt Eccles ( Betchadupa drummer who played with Tim once upon a time) / other lesser known session player / Matt Sherrod

Tim will very likely make an appearance at the show, and I think that because Mitchell Froom is in the mix, and Mark being gone, Tim will likely be involved in the future of the band. CH v3.0 is perhaps Woodface 2 or the evolution of a 3rd Finn Brothers project. Also, having Tim in the band would cover the harmonies and rhythm guitars.

If I’m wrong about Tim’s long-term role in the new band, then they’ll definitely need another guitarist, so while I’m on roll, here are my guesses of who that part might go to (again ordered from most probable to least likely): Liam / Mike Campbell / Johnny Marr / Jim Moginie / Don McGlashan / Connan Mockasin-Lawrence Arabia or any other of Liam’s cohorts.

One final conspiracy theory (why not) involves Sheryl Crow, Bic Runga, and/or Lisa Germano or someone accomplished in their own right (Johny Marr and some of the other names above fit into this category). The logic being, with the whole Fleetwood Mac thing Neil has seen firsthand how merging two legacies draws the attention of the media and ultimately sells tickets for shows that would otherwise go mostly unnoticed (except for hardcore fans).

Regardless of what/when we find out, my curiosity is firing on all cylinders and I’m very excited (similar to how I felt in 2006/2007 when we first heard about CH v2.0).

As Neil mentioned during his radio show last night, the key will be to TRUST (as we should) that he AND NICK, know what they’re doing. They know how to protect the CH legacy and wouldn’t (intentionally) do anything to betray their fans.

Exciting times ahead...

Having family members up on stage creates a completely different vibe, which is out of place with CH and I find it very cringey. I like Liam's music, but find him terribly gimmicky on stage. Elroy is a brilliant drummer, but I doubt he wants to be in dad's band (hoping for Matt to stay, he adds so much). Sharon looked desperately uncomfortable on stage in January (Lightsleeper tour, I was at 2 shows in the UK), and I'm afraid both her bass playing and BVs are questionable.

I highly doubt Tim will make the same mistake twice.

I'm not too fussed about what is or isn't CH as such, but feel more protective of the quality of the music and the general atmosphere, which are both dependent on people who are excellent musicians in their own right (hence please no family). 

There are many people I'd be totally fine with if they joined, like Mike Campbell (but he'll be busy with his "Dirty Knobs" next year) or Johnny Marr. I like Mark for his skills, mostly his BVs. I don't understand why he seems to have been "in the way", unless Neil and Nick want to create some sort of supergroup around themselves.

I reckon we should trust them. Working on it. 

 

 

Crowded House is still a band all the time both Neil and Nick are involved.

 

Am hoping that there will be shows everywhere and a new release (whether from the archive or something new). Failing that, just a decent stream or broadcast to hear the music from Byron Bay if thats all that comes next year.

BRANDO BRANDT posted:

 

 

Regardless of what/when we find out, my curiosity is firing on all cylinders and I’m very excited (similar to how I felt in 2006/2007 when we first heard about CH v2.0).

As Neil mentioned during his radio show last night, the key will be to TRUST (as we should) that he AND NICK, know what they’re doing. They know how to protect the CH legacy and wouldn’t (intentionally) do anything to betray their fans.

Exciting times ahead...

Yeah, there’s definitely SOMETHING interesting coming up ahead ...

My “Tim theory” (see my above post — more or less lines up with your “Tim theory”) still has me more excited than the other possibilities you mentioned, and it makes me feel a lot better about Mark being asked to step aside.

But hey — if it turns out that Crowded House 3.0 has, say, Mitchell Froom on keys, Mike Campbell on guitars, and Michael Barker (just throw in another good option) on drums, AND THE MUSIC IS AWESOME ... I know I’ll get over any lingering saltiness about Mark’s dismissal and be completely on board.

silent stream posted:

To those pining about tim... no ... been there done that. Nice songs, horrible live.

 

Well that's your opinion, but not a fact. I'd argue very strongly that it worked incredibly well live with Tim based on club CDs like Detroit Rock City, Bent In Gent and Taxi to name only a few. Again the Get Woodfaced club dvd is a great example of how strong that line up was.

Tim sounded awesome with CH at the last lot of Sydney Opera House shows and fit in effortlessly with the band.

I'd love for Tim to be back in the band and Mark to still there. 

Jeremy Loder posted:
silent stream posted:

To those pining about tim... no ... been there done that. Nice songs, horrible live.

 

Well that's your opinion, but not a fact. I'd argue very strongly that it worked incredibly well live with Tim based on club CDs like Detroit Rock City, Bent In Gent and Taxi to name only a few. Again the Get Woodfaced club dvd is a great example of how strong that line up was.

Tim sounded awesome with CH at the last lot of Sydney Opera House shows and fit in effortlessly with the band.

I'd love for Tim to be back in the band and Mark to still there. 

Oh come on ... really? Not a fact?

Tim live was a low point for the band and no rewriting of history will change that. He was removed for a reason.

swanning back in for two songs in shows in later years is a familial indulgence.

the point of interest about what neil is up to now will show whether he is looking to drive the band forward with new collaborators or roll in it like fleetwood mac.

if he brings tim back it’s all about the kaching.

i’ll duck now and await incoming.

 

 

No it's not a fact. It's your opinion and that's fine. I think CH did some incredible shows with Tim and I provided examples. Even with those examples unlike you I'm not so arrogant as to call my opinion a fact. 

Tim wasn't removed. He didn't really want to be in a band and not be the front man cos that's what he naturally is. And Neil didn't want to lose control or share the limelight in a band that he formed. By all accounts it was a mutual decision and pretty amicable parting.

At any rate none of us know who is permanently replacing Mark be they Tim or anyone else. I personally think firing Mark is crazy. He's great on guitar, keys, harmony vocals, songwriting. Incredibly nice guy. Solid live musician who never steals the spotlight but adds much to the sound. Very sad to see him go.

Jeremy Loder posted:

 

Tim wasn't removed.

You're right. Crowded House and Tim Finn merely consciously uncoupled a few decades before that kind of spin became so easily swallowed. Perhaps Tim simply failed to remain part of the band?

The Get Woodfaced tour (or whatever it was called) was one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever witnessed. All I Ask played at Selina's in Sydney was the most tin-eared thing I've ever seen on stage from a band riding a huge wave. The relationship never recovered and the news from the UK a few months later was both predictable and a relief.

I still think the mixed signals here are hard to read ... as i said: the point of interest about what neil is up to now will show whether he is looking to drive the band forward with new collaborators or roll in it like fleetwood mac.

 

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