Vinyl heads, do you prefer the original vinyl LPs of the first four albums, or do you think the recent reissues sound better?

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Mainly because I already have the albums on vinyl, original CD and now deluxe CD. How many copies does one need?

Also because, frankly, I really can't stand the modern habit of crushing the dynamics out of music. The deluxe remasters are really hard for me to enjoy because all the life and dynamics have been sucked out of the first three. I suspect that the vinyl was mastered from the new CD masters so, basically, you'd be buying the CD music on vinyl.

Last edited by Paul H

Yeah, totally get the “how many versions do I really need?” thing.

Your second point I suspected as well, but would love an impression from someone who has the reissue vinyl. Is it just the reissue CD mastering slapped on vinyl? That’s certainly the case sometimes but not always.

You know what, I totally forgot: I did buy one of the remasters. I bought Afterglow because it hadn't previously been issued on vinyl. It uses the remastered CD master. Of course, I can't compare that with the original vinyl, because there wasn't any.

I liked Afterglow, although Paul advised that it was less dynamic than the original B-sides were. I don't have them to compare.

I keep thinking about buying the remastered Temple, but I haven't managed to convince myself yet.

Slowpogo - do you have the originals already, or are you trying to decide between buying originals or remasters?

I haven't been paying attention to prices for the originals, have they come down since the reissues happened? My gut feeling is that for the debut and Woodface you would undoubtedly be best served by originals - specifically the US CH and the Euro WF (I also have Aus copies of both - they are not bad, but the other ones are better). Another option for Woodface would be the EMI100 version - haven't heard it, but supposed to be good.

Together Alone - unsure. I'm happy enough with my original, and seeing as they didn't make it a double LP, I wouldn't imagine the new one would help much, but I could be wrong.

As mentioned, Temple is the only one I'm kind of thinking about buying, for the new EQ. If the LPs were more dynamic than the CD remasters, that could end up being quite nice, but nobody has confirmed or denied that yet. See my post in the other thread for more Temple thoughts, if you want.

Last edited by GeoffR

I don't know, although my original Together Alone doesn't have the dynamic of my original CD. Same for Woodface and Temple. We were in the CD era, why buy a new vinyl for a representation of the CD? Oh..I have done that with the Beatles.😂. Not as fab as the pre CD era analogue. 

You'd be in the minority preferring the original Woodface CD to the original LP, Finfan. Which pressing? The Aus one isn't as good as the European one, at least in my system. I bought the Aus one recently cos it was cheap and is one of the last LPs to be pressed in an Aus major label plant (indeed, EMI had already closed their plant at the time, so it was cut and pressed at CBS Australia) - more of a curiosity for me. I'll keep it, but it's not the one I listen to.

The Euro LP bests my original (UK) CD by a decent margin - much better separation - it really shows off those harmonies.

Hi. I'm away at the moment so will check the press details at home. All my CDs are UK versions and all vinyl bought in UK too. Naturally doesn't mean the vinyl was pressed here too. 👍. I'll take a look.

I've not had a chance to listen to my UK Woodface LP in a long while but I'd be amazed if it had better separation than the CD, given that it's a long LP, Geoff, but I trust your judgement enough to take your word on it. I'll have to give it another listen when I get a mo. Which will probably be in 2023 given the presence of a little 'un ...

@stuartjb can back me up on this... Woodface is a long album, but they did it somehow. There are a couple of albums in my collection that appear to break the laws of physics. The original Bob Ludwig cut of the first Rage Against The Machine album is another - astonishingly dynamic and powerful, despite being 52 minutes long.

Incidentally, I didn't realise until recently that there were two Woodface LPs released in the UK - the Euro version I have, pressed in Germany using the rainbow label, and a version with the black Capitol label pressed (by the looks of it) at EMI Hayes. I've never heard (or seen!) a copy of the UK black label version.

Lastly, congratulations on the little one!

Woodface  - the original vinyl sounds excellent indeed. I'll need to do a new / old vinyl comparison . I'll report my findings !

Ok , finally getting round to listening to both versions of woodface vinyl .( wife and kids out ) 

rega plannar 3 turntable and Eltax floor standing speakers . 

Have to say to my limited audiophile skills they sound pretty similar . At first I thought  the new one had more bottom end , but I’ve subsequently dismissed that . 

I think the origional has a slightly brighter top end ? But that’s about it . 

Woodface has always sounded fantastic to me on vinyl - Nicks bass almost sounds like  I’d imagine it did hearing it through the studio monitors for the first time ! 

Both sound great , but apart from your preference for top end , I can’t say that one sounds better than the other ...

others may have better ears or better gear !

One of the downsides of the reissues programme is the the devaluation of the origionals  

i have the origional copies - Together Alone cost me about 30 quid and It went up ... Now there’s a copy on eBay currently sitting at £5 ...

Yeah, I thought about selling my old vinyls before the new vinyls had been announced. Could probably have gotten US$100 for TA, but I just couldn't bring myself to part with them.

Recurring Dream will still fetch a pretty penny! Hopefully it'll still be worth something when I die so that my children or grandchildren can benefit! I just can't sell my CH stuff. Too sentimental to me.

Yeah I’m the same when it comes down to it . My kids would need to be destitute !  

I now have 2 copies of all the albums plus recurring dream . 

It was nice when you knew your origional copy of TA was worth upwards of £50 just the same ...

Stuart, I think the value will return once  more of these reissues get into the hands of true fans and availability decreases

I’m looking for TA on vinyl in the States and the prices are still pretty steep for the original release. It’s the only album of original material that I don’t have on vinyl right now.  

As for Slowpogo’s original question, I don’t have both the originals and reissues on vinyl.  I will say that I like the original vinyl more than the original CDs on TOLM and CH.  Bigger soundstage, more texture heard on Neil’s vocals, and slightly more dynamics especially on songs like When You Come and Hole in the River.  I found it hard to compare the Woodface vinyl reissue with the original release CD.  I will say that Neil’s vocals are more upfront in the mix on the reissue than the cd.  But that’s the mix and probably not the media. 

Back to TA, I’ve heard mixed reviews on all vinyl versions.  Opinions on TA, original, reissue and all releases in between?

You may be right ! Hope so  

the original TA on vinyl sounds magnificent . I’m pretty sure the reissue vinyl is very similar - I’d need to check again . 

stuartjb posted:

You may be right ! Hope so  

the original TA on vinyl sounds magnificent . I’m pretty sure the reissue vinyl is very similar - I’d need to check again . 

That’s good to know!  Thanks!  

eastwood43 posted:

Is there any thread about The Very very Best on vinyl?

It’s funny, I’ve found zero need to pick this up, even though it has songs I don’t have on vinyl elsewhere.

Also, as far as the original thread topic goes, get the Together Alone reissue on vinyl if only because of the ending of the last track. 

I bought the reissue of Time on Earth published by Lester Records. It's not gatefold like the original edition, the two vinyls are tight inside the sleeve. Incredibly all the artwork on the album is printed on the inside of the sleeve, so you can't see it.

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