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As far as I know (and I used to keep real good track of these things) CH were never nominated for a grammy here in the USA. I don't know if they would get a nod nowadays. The nomninations have changed somewhat over the years fom what I understand but who knows if they would get one? The people that nominate can be really lame.

I think TOLM should have been nominated way back when or something from there.

It will be interesting to see. Good topic!
Selling records is not a criteria for a Grammy nomination.

Actually, there are two stages in the nomination process. The first stage is submitting a record to the Grammy nominating committee. Only people in the business and who are members of the Recording Academy can submit in this first round. But that is many thousands of people. In fact, it is not uncommon for thousands of records to be submitted at this stage for every category.

Then the nomination committee works to listen to all the serious nominations. As I said, there is no criteria for the number of records sold or for the popularity of a song, but this is taken into account in that the record at least has to be a serious contender.

The nominating committee eventually narrows the list from thousands to five. These are the "nominations" that then get voted on by the rest of the academy. Serious PR money is spent at this stage to sway the voters. The "voters" are the thousands of people who work in the industry who are also members of the Recording Academy. This could include guys at your local studio, members of rock bands, and A&R folks.

Knowing the way the industry works I am sure that every CH record was in the first stage of nominations, but to my knowledge they have never been one of the five "nominees" in any category.

For TOE to be considered the folks in the industry would have to be lobbied.

They should have been nominated for "Best New Group" in 1986 for CH, and DDIO should have been nominated for best single. That they were not is the direct fault of Capitol Records and their failure to properly support the group in ALL PR and lobby the voters. (Get over it fans, we live in a nation in which NO ONE is held accountable.)


"Honestly, I want to raise myself to any plane I can imagine."
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Originally posted by Anna 3000:
First, they'd have to sell in excess of three million albums to even be considered (in the states alone). That's not an official rule or anything, just my personal belief. Second, they'd have to have a hit video with loads of girls, grills, bling, and bone-cracking choreography.

Oh, and if you are over 25, forget about it. Mad


Ouch.
RR
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Originally posted by slowpogo:
Actually, in the Best Alternative Album category some truly good albums have won or been nominated in recent years, including those by Wilco and Radiohead. Because of that, if Time On Earth is really excellent I don't see why it couldn't, in theory anyway, be a contender for that category...


now that's interesting. CH will be in more critics' favs territory and it could throw them into legendary status, if not cement that. somehow, it will also help push the sales of the album further.

i just couldn't help but wish for greater things for neil and CH. the boys deserve so much more.
Hmmm, this IS a good topic. Unfortunately here in the States CH just isn't as huge as they are overseas.Doesn't make me love them anyless and any opportunity I have to bring people into the fold I do(If you ride with me in my car all you hear is Neil, Tim, Enz,or CH).
As talented as we all KNOW they are I just don't see a Grammy in their future. Hey if it were up to me I'd give them all of the awards.
It just stinks that talent so huge goes unrecognized.
One day when I become president I will make The First Monday of Every month CROWDED HOUSE DAY!LOL(I am nuts!)
In the early 90's the Crowdies won Best Live act at the Brits (the British equivalent of the grammies, bit like our BAFTAS but for the music industry), beating the likes of Pearl Jam and Nirvana in the process if I'm not mistaken.

They mention this on one of the press conferences tied in with Farewell To The World. They sounded pretty wrapped about that.
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Originally posted by April:
Hmmm, this IS a good topic. Unfortunately here in the States CH just isn't as huge as they are overseas.Doesn't make me love them anyless and any opportunity I have to bring people into the fold I do(If you ride with me in my car all you hear is Neil, Tim, Enz,or CH).
As talented as we all KNOW they are I just don't see a Grammy in their future. Hey if it were up to me I'd give them all of the awards.
It just stinks that talent so huge goes unrecognized.
One day when I become president I will make The First Monday of Every month CROWDED HOUSE DAY!LOL(I am nuts!)


I love that, APRIL FOR PREZ!Wink

On topic, the Grammys really could be a possibility... though that's probably it as far as international status is concerned for awards. Maybe they will be inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame, and perhaps even get a nom in the UK... but I know that the Junos here in Canada and MTV and all that other crap aren't going to look twice.

Which sucks.
Copied from the Juno Award site:


Crowded House


1990 - International Entertainer of the Year
Artist: Crowded House
(Melissa Etheridge Won)

1989 - International Entertainer of the Year
Artist: Crowded House
(U2 won)

Number of nominations 2
Number of wins 0

I seem to remember them appearing as well but I can't remember which exact year.
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Originally posted by PaulV:
Copied from the Juno Award site:


Crowded House


1990 - International Entertainer of the Year
Artist: Crowded House
(Melissa Etheridge Won)

1989 - International Entertainer of the Year
Artist: Crowded House
(U2 won)

Number of nominations 2
Number of wins 0

I seem to remember them appearing as well but I can't remember which exact year.


I believe it was 1988. I had it on tape as well. They sang "I Feel Possessed" and "BBHS" I believe. Been many years so not quite sure if that is right. But I think that was the right performance.

I don't hold much esteem for the Grammy's. Sometimes good things get nominated and win. For the most part I think it is all nonsense.

Lorrie
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Originally posted by Martine:
Crowded House made an appearance on the Juno awards back in...1988? I think they were up for an award too--best non-Canadian band or something?

they didn't win Razzer

but they did a short little set---i know because i have it on tape Razzer


Oh early on, I have no doubt the Junos loved them! But I mean to say nowadayws, with all the rock/dance/whatever acts oriented to the more commercial side of music. Don't get me wrong, some of them are great, but I can't see CH in the best international artist category next year.

(I would love to be proven wrong, though!!!!)
I have never seen a girls, grillz and bling video that I liked much. I listen to the music first, and then decide to like the band. I don't care if they bling or have a bunch of half dressed sexy women dancing in the video in order to like the band. Beyonce, for example is a beautiful woman, but I don't like her choreographed dances.

It's not that i'm old, but it seems like she's trying too hard to be sexy. I think the more girls, grillz and bling in the clip is just a disguise for crappy music with too much bass.
I want to take a wait and see approach on this topic. I have only heard Silent House multiple times. The other new songs from the webcast I have only heard once. I need to hear them again and hear the rest of the album.

If TOE is as strong as the other four studio CH albums then I think we could start a grass roots movement for Grammy recognition here in the States. Not sure how far we would get, but you never know. If TOE on the other hand is on the order of a Finn Brothers release, then I don't think a grass roots movement would help. (Sorry if I have stepped on any toes rendering that opinion, but I think that any of the CH albums were worthy of Grammy recognition at least.)

If TOE is released in June that would give any grass roots movement about 6 months to have an effect.

By grass roots movement I am talking about lobbying the record company and others in the industry via emails and letters. This would include the nominating committee as well. But I must stress that TOE has to be really good to mount this type of charge.

If nothing else, TOE has a song on it that was included in an album that "won" for Grammy Album of the year. Might be such a small thing except when you consider that this is a logical "in" for the nominating committee to at least seriously consider the record.

Then too, I think that since 1993 Neil has made a stronger case for being a song writers song writer.


"Honestly I want to raise myself to any plane I can imagine."
I don't see how being nominated for a Grammy would mean anything to either the band or the sales of the record; does anyone really pay attention to Grammys? Did being nominated for several make McCartney's last record (a very good LP, by the by) a hit? Nope. It doesn't mean a bloody thing, so why even worry about orchestrating some kind of "grass roots" movement? I'd say it'd be better to push hard for as much media attention as they can get when the record comes out, and hope it gets some good buzz in the major music mags.
The Grammy's in the States are a media buzz. You simply cannot buy that kind of press.

Grammy's do matter - they matter to the fans, and they matter to the artist because the voters are your industry peers.

This isn't about album sales or trying to make the band more "popular". With "Silent House" being on a Grammy winning album, Neil has a lot of cred in the industry. Time for the band to get some too. Gee adidasman, you don't think the band is worthy of industry recognition??????????????????????????


I don't know any musicians personally who have won a Grammy. But I DO know someone has been nominated - and she is quite proud of that fact. Its a validation on several levels.
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
but the main reason why the Dixie Chicks won their Grammy was out of sympathy for the way they had been treated in America after they spoke out against George "Doubly useless" Bush, not necessarily for the music


Oh, my bad. I forgot what a crappy album "Not Ready To Make Nice Is" and what a crappy song "Silent House" is.

Certainly not worthy of Grammy consideration! The Dixie Chicks need to give their three Grammy's back.


Hey you know what guys and gals. Forget everything I said above. If TOE is worthy I'll do my OWN part to make sure some folks in the industry hear about it.



“Be the change you want to see in the world.”
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I forgot what a crappy album "Not Ready To Make Nice Is" and what a crappy song "Silent House" is.

I didn't say that. what I said was that the Grammy's maybe a flawed indicator of success where the choice of recipient is more influenced by events outside the music rather than on the merits of the music itself. This is me with my most cynical outsider's view at the state of music in America (Note: the following is not directed toward the Dixie Chicks, I like them, they're a good band, and they make REAL music.) because mainstream "artists," a term I use very loosely, that are no more then a marketable face and a computer, are the ones recieving the awards and accolades for high album and single sales, while REAL talent, a la CH are passed over and do not achieve the same success as these "artists." I'm sure I would've missed something because I've only observed the American music market from what they've exported from their mass-producing computers that produce the same, lifeless, fake, and photoshopped artists time and time again, with the same unoriginal songs written for them by professional song-mills (NOT NF, his songs are incredibly well crafted and the time he puts into them is evident, including the Dixie Chick's adoption of Silent House) which also prop up the winners of get-famous-fast TV shows that the American music industry, thanks to Simon Cowell, is hypnotised by and which has then passed this on to the Australian music industry (Because NO major record labels remain Australian-owned) which continues to look over our REAL talent and picks the most attractive person in the crowd, and rewards them with music awards and 10x platinum records etc. etc. etc.
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
but the main reason why the Dixie Chicks won their Grammy was out of sympathy for the way they had been treated in America after they spoke out against George "Doubly useless" Bush, not necessarily for the music


I don't think that's true at all. They had a very strong album both musically and lyrically. I don't think they got a "gimme" at all.
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
what I said was that the Grammy's maybe a flawed indicator of success


Greatfox, I took the "flawed indicator of success" implication from your even earlier post and think it may often be the case. A very worthy artist, album, or song will occasionally win a Grammy, but it certainly does seem as though the popularity of an artist and/or record sales can and often do influence voters' opinions. Industry peers certainly don't seem to be immune to being affected.

It's also true that the public does largely equate a Grammy win with success and that it does create a media buzz. Album sales for winning artists and albums will typically jump right after the award show.

While I'd be thrilled should Crowded House win a Grammy, I think the chances will be very slim even if the quality of the music were top-notch. For me, anyway, Crowded House doesn't need to win in order for the band's music to be validated. However, I recognize that it does for much of the general public at large and would result in the exposure of the band (and its work) to a number of people thereby compelled to discover its greatness.

These types of award shows drive me crazy! Razzer
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Originally posted by Not the girl I think I am:
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
but the main reason why the Dixie Chicks won their Grammy was out of sympathy for the way they had been treated in America


I don't think that's true at all. They had a very strong album both musically and lyrically. I don't think they got a "gimme" at all.


My humble belief is that outside events likewise helped the Dixie Chicks at the Grammys and hurt them at the Country Music Awards . . .
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Originally posted by Romer:
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Originally posted by Not the girl I think I am:
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Originally posted by Greatfox:
but the main reason why the Dixie Chicks won their Grammy was out of sympathy for the way they had been treated in America


I don't think that's true at all. They had a very strong album both musically and lyrically. I don't think they got a "gimme" at all.


My humble belief is that outside events likewise helped the Dixie Chicks at the Grammys and hurt them at the Country Music Awards . . .


Not to get too off topic here but the Dixie Chicks are actually up for two awards at the FAN voted CMT Awards to air April 16th on CMT. Yet they remain shut outs at the upcoming industry voted Academy of County Music Awards.

I have all of the Chicks albums myself and think they are fabulous and well deserving of the Grammy awards. They have been shunned by country radio this time around but have still sold quite a few albums regardless of the shut-out.

Lorrie
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Originally posted by Romer:
While I'd be thrilled should Crowded House win a Grammy, I think the chances will be very slim even if the quality of the music were top-notch. For me, anyway, Crowded House doesn't need to win in order for the band's music to be validated. However, I recognize that it does for much of the general public at large and would result in the exposure of the band (and its work) to a number of people thereby compelled to discover its greatness.


and who doesn't want to bring CH's music to the masses? would we like CH to be stuck with the one-hit-wonder moniker in the US? it's about time they get the accolades long due them. that's why i want them to have a Grammy win, or at least a nomination.
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Originally posted by jurden:
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and who doesn't want to bring CH's music to the masses? would we like CH to be stuck with the one-hit-wonder moniker in the US? it's about time they get the accolades long due them. that's why i want them to have a Grammy win, or at least a nomination.[/QUOTE]

Actually, they really aren't stuck with the one hit wonder moniker. They had two top 10 hits and BBHS made it to number 40 which means they do not qualify as one hit wonders. I suppose some people might think of them that way but again if I ever mention their name to anyone stateside most say "Who?"

A Grammy nomination would be nice. I think we need to wait and see how the critics and the industry relate to the album first off. Then we can see if we want to get that grass roots movement going.

Lorrie
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Originally posted by jurden. and who doesn't want to bring CH's music to the masses? would we like CH to be stuck with the one-hit-wonder moniker in the US? it's about time they get the accolades long due them. that's why i want them to have a Grammy win, or at least a nomination.



See, that's the way I feel. I am sick and tired of the fact that one of the best groups on the planet and one of the best song writers on the planet is not better known and respected in the States.

Ears here in the States are just as hip as they are anywhere else in the world. It's what's been fed them that is the problem. You can only change the industry by making them aware.

I think Neil deserves the same accolades that have been given to Elton John and Billy Joel. This belief has only grown stronger through the years.



"Honestly I want to raise myself to any plane I can imagine."
I agree with you, Songwriter. Neil is one of the best songwriters in contemporary music. I think he deserves more accolades than those people you mention. That they were ignored after the relative success of the first album and not nominated even for Best New Artist was unbelievable. Who won that year? Jody Watley, maybe? I am trying to dig back into my memory here from when I did actually watch the Grammys.

So what is wrong with our industry out this way? What shall we do? I am on board with you if you want to start a movement going. You are in Florida, I am in California--we cover the two coasts so PM me with your ideas and let's see what we can get cooking!

Lorrie
What it's going to take to get CH on the charts here, IMO, is firstly a lot of work and support from the label - - - - support that appeared to be sorely lacking in the past. They also need to choose wisely when choosing the first single. Take EIH from The Finn Brothers for example. Am I the only one who thinks "Won't Give In" was a poor choice for the first single? "Anything Can Happen" or "All God's Children" would've fared much better I think.

They should try to get a song used in an episode of a popular TV show. I could totally see something like "Pour Le Monde" or "Heaven That I'm Making" used in an episode of "Lost". The folks at "Scrubs" seem to be Finn fanns too and have used some of their stuff in the past. Ultimately, they should try to get a song on "Grey's Anatomy", as it's well known for having one of the hottest soundtracks on TV. What could possibly be better than seeing McSteamy and Meredith romping around together to a backdrop of Crowded House music? With songs like "When You Come" and "Fingers of Love" in their repertoire, surely there will be an equally sensuous and bedroom-worthy gem on the new album?

Lastly, I honestly think it's going to take us fans incessantly e-mailing the local radio stations and requesting the songs.
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The Grammy's in the States are a media buzz. You simply cannot buy that kind of press.

Grammy's do matter - they matter to the fans, and they matter to the artist because the voters are your industry peers.


Oh, come on, Songwriter - the Grammys matter to whom? I live in the States, I know what the Grammys can and can't do for an artist's career - and, for an established act, they're not really worth much unless it's an across-the-board, oh-my-goodness-how-could-we-have-ignored-you-for-so-long lovefest like Santana got a few years ago (for a mediocre album, by the way). Do you really think a Grammy to CH for best rock performance by a group will matter even remotely in terms of record sales? Who won that award this year? can anyone remember? It's just not worth a bloody thing in the real world. Do you really think Neil Finn needs more validation from his peers, or that Nick and Mark lie awake at night dreaming of "industry recognition"? I know Grammy winners and a member of the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame, and none of them seem all that concerned about the awards - they already know what their contemporaries think of them, regardless of what's on the trophy shelf. I just think it's preposterous to think that winning a Grammy would mean anything - and I mean ANYthing - to the band, personally or professionally. (Although look what it did for Milli Vanilli...!)

Oh, and as regards the Dixie Chicks, they may have been shunned by country radio due to their comments about the President, but the mainstream media never paid a whole lot of attention to them before - and now, suddenly, they're everywhere. Coincidence? Given the liberal bent of the US media, I don't think so. In the long run, it's probably been a good thing for them commercially to have said what they said, so I have a hard time feeling too sorry for them.

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