Calling Turtle.... I like it Rare #4

Big Grin Ohhhhhhhhh loving it, loving it, loving it. Big Grin

Does Evelyn sooooooooo ROCK !!
Love the message bank recording.

Oooh oooh more later. Gotta listen.

Thanks all Big Grin

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Okay listened to Evelyn 3 times now, yessssss it rocks, so good to have a clear version, have to stop singing, leaving.

Liking Nigel's (Turtle's) grooves, and samples.

As Sure As I Am is lovely, but need snappier music at the mo.

Years Go By just lovely. Simple, sweet, soft & too short.

Ed, Edd, Eddie, what are you doing to me? I thought my cd player was stuffed. Well I hope its not. Beautiful work.

Tim is the man.

Phil, I need a bex, a cup of tea and a lie down.

Big Grin

Okay first thoughts there.



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I'm really enjoying it!

Evelyn is fun, the Griggs track is groovy, the Neil demos are a great glimpse into how these songs started out. Eddie's piece is beautiful, Tim's song shows (once again) that he's a great song writer, but the absolute highlight is Phil Judd's track: epic, adventurous and highly entertaining!

-dennis-
Finally got to have a proper listen on the stereo, having received it only to have a rushed listen to some favourites before dashing out.

Evelyn - very strong rhythm section. Not a typical Enz song (which, after that last comment, could be construed as meaning that a typical Enz song lacks a strong rhythm - not the case at all!), but then what is?

Khatrubbul - Good to see that Nigel's love affair with the answering machine contines with a very groovy foundation.

As Sure As I Am, Years Go By - I always love hearing demos and the emergence of songs (same can be said for all kinds of writing writing), my only complaint is that they're too short!

YBW - Ah Eddie, when I'm in the right frame of mind your instrumentals provide such great, floating ambiance with great keyboard as always.

More Fool Me - *sigh* Love it! Tim will you please get out of my head already! Either that or consult with me first. Great to hear a strong piano underpinning.

White Note Hell - Elvis has entered the building, only to be taken over by a very rocky Mr Phudd.
My copy arrived by post today. Love it love it love it! 'Evelyn' was as great as I had gathered from the excerpt featured on Enzology. A nice taste of the Luton tapes. Nigel's samples on 'Khatrubbul' - awesome. Phil's 'White Note Hell' - great. I think this is the best CD in the series so far.
Really? I thought there was only I Hope I Never & one other... that escapes me... I only remember I Hope I Never because it was mentioned in Enzology.

Another great album of rarities. Really looking forward to the new Phudd album after hearing White Note Hell.

Evelyn sounds very different to the recording I have, which admittedly is poor quality. I just hope it wasn't remixed so much that it loses the feel of the original song. If I had a better version I'd be able to judge, but oh well Smiler
I've listened to the CD and enjoyed it, but I hope I can be forgiven for fixating on "Evelyn." Big Grin I've been waiting anxiously to hear this song since I read Neil's Letters to My Frenz interview:

PG: What was the first Neil Finn song that Split Enz rehearsed?

Neil: Not sure which came first, probably 'Evelyn', 'Carried Away' or maybe 'Give it a whirl'...probably 'Evelyn'.

That was the first I'd heard of it, and I just about flipped. Wink I went on here looking for info and found your post, Kelly. I was gravely disappointed by the idea that he might be pronouncing the name to rhyme with "leaving," but still wild to hear the song. After I heard that Neil had played it at the Santa Barbara CH show, I pestered a few of you in PMs: "How did he pronounce it?" Smiler One kind person generously let me hear the live version, and a couple days ago I got my copy of Rare #4. Love it. The song's got much more going on musically than I'd imagined, especially since Neil wasn't yet out of his teens when he wrote it! I guess I'll talk about that in the "Evelyn" thread, but I had to come here and effuse first. Now I'm curious to hear the Ninees version someday.

I haven't paid the rest of the album enough attention yet, but I noted with interest that "As Sure As I Am" featured a woman's voice on harmony. Sharon, maybe? It sounds like her. I liked the slow and dreamy demo, but was struck by how much more I like the final product. To me the song's much stronger in the crisper, more energetic Woodface version.

The chorus of "Years Go By," on the other hand, has a surprising and enjoyable spookiness in its bare-bones form. Something about the way the voice is underlined simply by a guitar playing the same melody feels eerie to me. The chorus stays in the mood of the verses. That probably wouldn't work well if the song were longer than a minute and a half, but in the demo it sounds great.

Trivia: Am I the only one who hears Neil singing, "He gets up in the afternoon"?

"More Fool Me" has some very striking lines and some that hit my ear wrong. I don't like the lines about "self-fulfilling prophecy" and "one that's all hypocrisy," but this passage feels really strong:

I don't know what it is that we kept from showing
Somehow we've lost everything
And I don't want it back again
I found out that a friendship can stop growing
But how did you know it?


Anyone know when this was written? It sounds recent.

I need to listen to the other songs more before I can venture an opinion, but I'm very happy with the CD.
got my copy today (well yesterday i think, i really need to check my mailbox more often). really loving it all. evelyn sounds great, has a different vibe, but i'm really feeling it

it's a shame the years go by demo wasn't a full song version, it sounds great stripped back. so sincere

really enjoyed all the tracks. but by far & away my favourite track was tim's more fool to me. very bare, but it really works. great song, i can't seem to stop listening to it
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Originally posted by Dizrythmia:
Really? I thought there was only I Hope I Never & one other... that escapes me... I only remember I Hope I Never because it was mentioned in Enzology.


Charlie.


Dead Flowers is another possibility that springs to mind. It's not necessarily so, as it could also be about a past relationship, but definitely possible. As aika said, only Tim knows really. I think the only definite is I Hope I Never, and come to think of it has Tim himself ever said that or is that just Chunn's opinion?

Couldn't agree more, Eyes, More Fool ME is definitely my favourite song. Just had to transcribe it this afternoon.
Really love Evelyn - great Enz sound.

Nigel intrigues me all the time. Fun.

As Sure As I Am/ Years Go By are interesting. Nice to hear the way songs begin life.

Really love Eddie's "stuff"!! Nice journey of music.

More Fool Me - when was this written? I really like it but it's kinda bugging me for some reason. If I figure it out, I'll get back to you.

White Note Hell - Might take a few more listens before I can offer an opinion, other than Phil doing what Phil does best.
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Originally posted by mummakook:
Dead Flowers is another possibility that springs to mind. It's not necessarily so, as it could also be about a past relationship, but definitely possible. As aika said, only Tim knows really. I think the only definite is I Hope I Never, and come to think of it has Tim himself ever said that or is that just Chunn's opinion?


Tim mentioned in Enzology that it was about a time he called Phil & his wife answered the phone. He asked to speak to Phil & she went away to get him, then came back & said "Sorry, he doesn't want to talk to you".

Shortly after this song came about, but it became more generalised as it progressed into the track that appeared on True Colours.
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Dead Flowers is another possibility that springs to mind. It's not necessarily so, as it could also be about a past relationship, but definitely possible.

Right before I read this thread, I read your transcript of "More Fool Me," and immediately thought of "Dead Flowers." The resemblance had been tugging at the back of my mind when I first listened.

I too think of Phil when I hear "Dead Flowers." I don't think this is intentional, but the main image of the song is like an echo down through the years from "Split Ends." "Watching flowers hit the floor" becomes "Dead flowers on the floor."
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Really? I thought there was only I Hope I Never & one other... that escapes me... I only remember I Hope I Never because it was mentioned in Enzology.


If you believe Mike Chunn in Stranger Than Fiction, most of Tim's songs are about Phil Big Grin
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Originally posted by Camus:
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Really? I thought there was only I Hope I Never & one other... that escapes me... I only remember I Hope I Never because it was mentioned in Enzology.


If you believe Mike Chunn in Stranger Than Fiction, most of Tim's songs are about Phil Big Grin


Oh yeah, I forgot about Enzology.

Big Grin Glad I'm not the only one who got that vibe about STF, Camus. Sometimes I wonder just who had the obsession with whom, or what.

Thanks for the info, gryph, I thought More Fool Me had something of a Dead Flowers edge to it.

*random* just as I Got You comes on the radio... it's a small world Razzer
I keep wondering if that is a distorted Sharon Finn on the Nigel track too talking about 'car trouble')....?????
Gryph.

Only a few dozen more copies to be boxed and they have all been mailed.... of course Australia Post has suddenly ran out of cd mailers...I'm being patient (GRRRR).
I finally got my copy on Tuesday, but I only listened to it today on my way in to work. Here are my impressions after only one listen.

"Evelyn"--Sounds like a good band song. It's got a great vibe to it.

"Khatrubbul"--I ordered my copy just to hear this one being that I am a Nigel fan. When it started, I thought "Great! He's got a marimba." It would have made me quite happy since my own instrumental background is percussion and bass guitar. But it's obviously a synthesizer, and aurally he seems stuck in 1983 or 1984. Or at least, most of his songs bring me back to that time in my life and what I used to hear on the musak at the gym where my dad and brothers used to work out. Title-wise, I'm wondering if it's another one of Nigel's anagrams.

"As Sure As I Am"--I didn't like this. I just knew right away that I much preferred the final album version. I don't usually have a problem with demos, but this didn't move me.

"Years Go By"--I did like this but only thought it was too short.

"YBW"--It's not memorable to me other than when I listened to it I thought that it sounded like something Eddie would do.

"More Fool Me"--Within the first few chords, I thought "Salt to the Sea", and that could be caused by anything from instrumentation, to key or whatever. The lyrics made me sad for scars that Tim has had to endure. It's not that I mind his sad music. "Charlie" is a brilliant song. I've just had enough of it so I don't want to be weighted down. It's like when I stopped listening to all the "feminist" or "chick" music because I thought how those problems and that fighting and negativity didn't apply to me any more. I was in a much more positive place mentally. So... I'm sad for Tim, but I have no desire to consume his sadness. Vocally, the wear shows on his voice, and I'm not perceiving it as an artsy decision to make the song more meaningful. Some singers do that. I just hear a dry, less plump voice.

"White Note Hell"--This one surprised me most of all. I quite like this. I was given the recent Judd solo album as a gift (thanks MK), but I confess to not having listened to it. So... my Judd experience is through Schnell Fenster (and I was there for Nigel more than anyone else) and early Enz (no Nigel, so why bother? And Judd sounded then vocally like a bleating sheep). This sounded like the collision of two separate songs, and I liked it anyway. It would call it my favorite from the lot. It's such a surprise to me that I'm going to go tell one of my Juddite friends about it so she can have a good-natured laugh at my enjoyment.
Like the cd a lot!

Fantastic to get a new Tim track. It sounds like a demo for Imaginary kingdom. The other demos sound similar.
I also really like Years go by. I remember reading (hearing) once that it was supposed to sound like a George Harrison song. The demo is very Harrison like in my opinion.
gryphon posted:
Yeah loads of nice emails on Rare #4, the final batch of these will go out when I get back from the Crowdies tour...thanks for being patient those of you who ordered it recently.
Gryph

Hey Gryph - is there any chance you could let me/us know the credits for "I Like It Rare 4?" The year the songs were written, writing credits, studio, specific recording date, etc. I'm an OCD freak for metadata and I'm havign trouble sleeping

LOVE the disc, btw. Thank you!

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