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Cradle2Grave posted:

Personally, I love the vocal chemistry between Neil and Liam on this track. Add that to some typically strong Finn songwriting (yet another beautiful middle 8) and this lead single has me excited for the album.

The live performance of the song has me excited for the collaboration and the possibility of seeing a live performance, although sadly, I guess that is unlikely in North America with the impending Fleetwood Mac tour.

The instrumental arrangement on the recording of the song leaves me a bit apprehensive about the album, although I will listen with an open mind (and ear!) as always.

I have been a fan long enough to know that Neil does not always do his best work in the studio, because he often does not know when to stop tinkering.

 

 

brownie posted:

I have been a fan long enough to know that Neil does not always do his best work in the studio, because he often does not know when to stop tinkering.

I agree with you there. I certainly noticed some of the early Intriguer songs were better than their final arrangements on the album. I felt at times during the Out of Silence recordings he had songs perfected, yet continued to nitpick when he could only really make the song worse from that point onward. And this was in a unique case where he'd consciously set himself very limited time to flesh out the record.

I recall Jaffaman saying Neil was quite cagey when selecting demos/rarities for the CH Deluxe albums, because he hates releasing unfinished/unpolished material. Seymour admitted that Only Way To Go Is Forward was one of the stronger tracks lined up for Intriguer, but they could never tame the outro into something more structured, hence it missed the cut altogether.

"I know within myself that I have a tendency to polish too much, and I’ve done that in the past on records and I don’t like that about myself.” - Neil, 2014

Cradle2Grave posted:
brownie posted:

I have been a fan long enough to know that Neil does not always do his best work in the studio, because he often does not know when to stop tinkering.

I agree with you there. I certainly noticed some of the early Intriguer songs were better than their final arrangements on the album. I felt at times during the Out of Silence recordings he had songs perfected, yet continued to nitpick when he could only really make the song worse from that point onward. And this was in a unique case where he'd consciously set himself very limited time to flesh out the record.

I recall Jaffaman saying Neil was quite cagey when selecting demos/rarities for the CH Deluxe albums, because he hates releasing unfinished/unpolished material. Seymour admitted that Only Way To Go Is Forward was one of the stronger tracks lined up for Intriguer, but they could never tame the outro into something more structured, hence it missed the cut altogether.

"I know within myself that I have a tendency to polish too much, and I’ve done that in the past on records and I don’t like that about myself.” - Neil, 2014

Agreed. That's why the recording of Out of Silence worked so well and I hope Neil records future albums that way. Eight hours to record the album with 3-4 tries at each song and that pick the best take and you're done.  I feel that Out of Silence has an emotional power that would have been lost with more "polishing".  That's one thing that also haunts Lindsey Buckingham who sometimes spends weeks and weeks on each song.

Hmmm....  Could be.  I am definitely liking that recording a lot more than I did the other day.  It seems somehow more substantial and less ethereal than it did when I listened to it previously.  Of course, this could be simply because I listened to the live version enough times that I really got to know the song.

I’m still not liking that Greek-sounding interlude in the middle, though.

brownie posted:

Hmmm....  Could be.  I am definitely liking that recording a lot more than I did the other day.  It seems somehow more substantial and less ethereal than it did when I listened to it previously.  Of course, this could be simply because I listened to the live version enough times that I really got to know the song.

I’m still not liking that Greek-sounding interlude in the middle, though.

My favorite version is the "radio edit" that doesn't include the interlude in the middle 8 of the song. It goes right into the bridge.

From time of Intriguer, (to me) this is the strongest/best first single (considering "Meet me in the air" not single but only kind of introducing with new album, like Divebomber was with Dizzy Heights). Easy memorable, fantastic strong refrain, modern but with some 80s feel, I am really sad and dissapointed that this song most probably wont get any attention outside Neil/Liam fan base... only 12.000 views on youtube in first week is sadly best showcase of someone/somethings popularity...

Mariola posted:

Yeah..and its an awfull one! 

I dissclaime my own words - no its not awfull, far from that...after few watchings, its actually pretty good, very much like videos from first half of 90s when music videos was pretty artistic and unique... welcome and enjoy

Reminds me on CH Nails in my feet video...anyone else?

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Mariola posted:
Mariola posted:

Yeah..and its an awfull one! 

I dissclaime my own words - no its not awfull, far from that...after few watchings, its actually pretty good, very much like videos from first half of 90s when music videos was pretty artistic and unique... welcome and enjoy

Reminds me on CH Nails in my feet video...anyone else?

It reminds me of the Losing My Religion REM video.  It was filmed at Largo which is cool.

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Sugar Mouse posted:
Mariola posted:
Mariola posted:

Yeah..and its an awfull one! 

I dissclaime my own words - no its not awfull, far from that...after few watchings, its actually pretty good, very much like videos from first half of 90s when music videos was pretty artistic and unique... welcome and enjoy

Reminds me on CH Nails in my feet video...anyone else?

It reminds me of the Losing My Religion REM video.  It was filmed at Largo which is cool.

Yes, it does remind.

Sounds too much like it should be on Dizzy Heights.  Video is a good concept but comes across not too great.  I am hoping for some more harder edged stuff from these two gents....I think they have it on them to make something quite upbeat...with a purpose.  I never expected another really mellow song.....and a bit of a downer.  Sorry, in my honest mood today...lol

I agree it sounds like a Dizzy Heights track. It'll no doubt grow on me with repeated listens , but I'm just realising that I've not listened to Out of Silence for ages .... I haven't felt compelled to  

Nothing I've heard from Neil recently sounds as good to me as Two minutes of Silence or Nonsense off course. Such a crime that project wasn't finished....

The more I think of it (and listen to this song), the more I am frustrated that Neil doesn't put out something more lively.  When I saw him in Vancouver and Winnipeg, he rocks it out and is so good on the electric guitar...his solos are fantastic!  He loves trying new things but I think if he wants to try something different, do a rockin, quirky album.  I guess Pajama Club is the closest.  Don't get me wrong, he can write the dreamy, slow stuff quite good, but it has been done so often now.  And then this came....after seeing his son rick it out in concert opening for Crowded House, I was expecting this collaboration to be way different. 

renzo posted:

The more I think of it (and listen to this song), the more I am frustrated that Neil doesn't put out something more lively.  When I saw him in Vancouver and Winnipeg, he rocks it out and is so good on the electric guitar...his solos are fantastic!  He loves trying new things but I think if he wants to try something different, do a rockin, quirky album.  I guess Pajama Club is the closest.  Don't get me wrong, he can write the dreamy, slow stuff quite good, but it has been done so often now.  And then this came....after seeing his son rick it out in concert opening for Crowded House, I was expecting this collaboration to be way different. 

Personal presence. I'm a bigger fan of "slow Neil" ala Out of Silence than "fast Neil" ala Pajama Club. It's all good but I'm loving the recent introspective material.

Sugar Mouse posted:
renzo posted:

The more I think of it (and listen to this song), the more I am frustrated that Neil doesn't put out something more lively.  When I saw him in Vancouver and Winnipeg, he rocks it out and is so good on the electric guitar...his solos are fantastic!  He loves trying new things but I think if he wants to try something different, do a rockin, quirky album.  I guess Pajama Club is the closest.  Don't get me wrong, he can write the dreamy, slow stuff quite good, but it has been done so often now.  And then this came....after seeing his son rick it out in concert opening for Crowded House, I was expecting this collaboration to be way different. 

Personal presence. I'm a bigger fan of "slow Neil" ala Out of Silence than "fast Neil" ala Pajama Club. It's all good but I'm loving the recent introspective material.

Also here. Plus, I didnt find anything rocking in Pajama Club, honestly. Plus, to me Back to life doesnt sound anything close to Dizzy Heights album, pretty different mood, production and arangment approach...

Re Pajama Club: not all rocking, quite upbeat though...and great new sounds we haven’t heard from Neil for awhile...and I long for. This song here is definitely Dizzy Heights sounding.  There are a couple of songs that have the exact feel.  I guess I’m tired of feeling down while listening to certain recent songs by Neil. Being fairly new at song writing, I find these type of songs fairly easy to write. And Neil has been using same type of formula lately. He should blow the socks off the world with a great album...I think somewhere between his solo stuff/Panama Club and Split Enz....just something totally unique. I was really thinking this collaboration would hit the mark. Maybe there are other songs by them that do. Has anyone heard them all? 

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